Strikes CMs are just another nail in the coffin

[yukarishura.4790]

That being said, thx for ignoring a large part of the playerbase who expect a raid for ages. But it's ok we get fishing...

[Obtena.7952]

12 hours ago, yukarishura.4790 said:

That being said, thx for ignoring a large part of the playerbase who expect a raid for ages. But it's ok we get fishing...

Yeah large ... LAWL.

 

You shouldn't have expected something that there was LOTS of signs wasn't coming back for ages. 

Edited July 29, 2021 by Obtena.7952

[Paradoxoglanis.1904]

Strike CMs are the new raids.

[Ayrilana.1396]

I personally wouldn’t consider strike CMs to be anything on the level of raids unless they redesign the CM fights from that of normal. 

[Shadowmoon.7986]

Ultimately the marketing department at anet is trash. I was thinking this morning how they should have sold this new feature. They should have used 25,50, 75, 100 and 100 cm as a stepping stone. Sell it as story mode will teach you basic mechanics of the fight and give you the lore. It will have the difficulty of fractal 25 ie it is the solo mode raid. The easy mode raid version (calling them strikes were a marketing blunder) removes the lore and just has the fight at a difficulty of fractal 100. It is designed test what you should have learned in story mode but be punishing unlike story mode and be done with a group of 10. Raid cm is at the level of old raids and beyond, has exclusive rewards and exclusive bosses like 100 cm. State that removing the wing model is for players access so you do not have to pay someone to do a boss you already did or to skip bosses you dislike for example spirit woods, gate and escort.

[Krzysztof.5973]

They will never say they have pulled the plug on raids. Same thing happened to dungeons. It's more profitable to toy with raiders hoping they will stay for non-raid content 🙂

[Linken.6345]

11 hours ago, yukarishura.4790 said:

That being said, thx for ignoring a large part of the playerbase who expect a raid for ages. But it's ok we get fishing...

 

Wouldent say large but roi wise raids are played over a longer time span then living stories.

[artharon.9276]

imo they should make strikes even more rewarding than raids and totally kill raiding.

and raid sellers and benchmarkers and raid elitism with it.

[Linken.6345]

2 hours ago, artharon.9276 said:

imo they should make strikes even more rewarding than raids and totally kill raiding.

and raid sellers and benchmarkers and raid elitism with it.

Strike are already more rewarding then raiding since you can do each boss 7 times a week and they are quicker.

 

With a decent group you do 5 of them in 20-30mins, people usualy skip forging steel and cold war since the pre events take awhile.

 

Compare that to a raid wing were 3 bosses and events take 30 mins.

[Yellow Rainbow.6142]

On 7/24/2021 at 3:28 PM, artharon.9276 said:

 

@artharon
Except, they will move to strike and kill the strike as well.

 

Edited July 30, 2021 by Yellow Rainbow.6142

[Yellow Rainbow.6142]

2 hours ago, artharon.9276 said:

imo they should make strikes even more rewarding than raids and totally kill raiding.

and raid sellers and benchmarkers and raid elitism with it.

Except, they will move to strike and kill the strike as well.

[artharon.9276]

18 minutes ago, Linken.6345 said:

Strike are already more rewarding then raiding since you can do each boss 7 times a week and they are quicker.

 

With a decent group you do 5 of them in 20-30mins, people usualy skip forging steel and cold war since the pre events take awhile.

 

Compare that to a raid wing were 3 bosses and events take 30 mins.

 

didn't know that you can get a legendary armor via strikes. 

 

Buying and Selling "Runs" - Guild Wars 2 Discussion - Guild Wars 2 Forums

We recognize that some players are not able to complete all content. Other players have provided a service of convenience or carry through the years, and our official stance is that the selling or buying of runs is completely acceptable.

 

Let me explain Arenanet's statement about buying and selling raids using LFG system.

 

"We admit we scrwd up with the raids because players turned raiding into a kitten measurement tool and built a culture of frear arond metas and b.i.s. Players massively discouraged to play the easiest pve raiding in the planet advertised as rocket science.

Thus we will act lke a cheap p2w game and let these gold diggers use lfg system so you noobs can buy these raids. Becuase when you run out of gold. there's always gem store."

14 minutes ago, Yellow Rainbow.6142 said:

Except, they will move to strike and kill the strike as well.

 

Yeah, I am afraid so. 

[Linken.6345]

What do legendary armor have to do with the rewards strike bosses vs raid bosses drop?

 

Any content will have people who cant do it or cant be bothered pay for it to get it over with.

As an example look at dragonresponse misson cms.

[Epsilon Indi.2031]

7 hours ago, artharon.9276 said:

imo they should make strikes even more rewarding than raids and totally kill raiding.

and raid sellers and benchmarkers and raid elitism with it.

Nah, ANet should do a complete 180.

Make all EoD world bosses and meta events require organization on a level such as Triple Trouble or the original Chak Gerrent
Strikes are raid difficulty by default.  CMs are as difficult as Dhuum, Samarog, and Deimos CM.
Fishing isn't afk and requires intense reflexes to hit the mark just right and catch a fish.
Skiffs can be sank by NPC enemies  if left unattended.
Fractals have a release cadence that is followed.  Each new one gets a new CM.
Raids come back as part of the story.

If you don't like it, there's plenty of content that's been released over the years that you could play and enjoy.

[yann.1946]

6 hours ago, artharon.9276 said:

 

didn't know that you can get a legendary armor via strikes. 

 

Buying and Selling "Runs" - Guild Wars 2 Discussion - Guild Wars 2 Forums

We recognize that some players are not able to complete all content. Other players have provided a service of convenience or carry through the years, and our official stance is that the selling or buying of runs is completely acceptable.

 

Let me explain Arenanet's statement about buying and selling raids using LFG system.

 

"We admit we scrwd up with the raids because players turned raiding into a kitten measurement tool and built a culture of frear arond metas and b.i.s. Players massively discouraged to play the easiest pve raiding in the planet advertised as rocket science.

Thus we will act lke a cheap p2w game and let these gold diggers use lfg system so you noobs can buy these raids. Becuase when you run out of gold. there's always gem store."

 

 

Its funny how completely wrong someone can be, not understand where behaviour comes from and still have such a strong opinion on what they are wrong with.

 

Selling runs was already behaviour in gw1, the fact that not everyone can do something is not a mistake.

6 hours ago, artharon.9276 said:

Yeah, I am afraid so. 

 

[artharon.9276]

1 hour ago, yann.1946 said:

 

Selling runs was already behaviour in gw1, the fact that not everyone can do something is not a mistake.

 

 

It's like saying doing your poo in the middle of the street like a dog was once ok, so we should do it in 2021.

Love these conservatives really, always can easily hide their b.s behind "traditions". 

[yann.1946]

21 minutes ago, artharon.9276 said:

 

It's like saying doing your poo in the middle of the street like a dog was once ok, so we should do it in 2021.

Love these conservatives really, always can easily hide their b.s behind "traditions". 

You apparently can not read what i said. 😛

I never claimed whether it was okay or not. I responded to the specific claim that allowing the selling of runs was anet admitting they kittened up with raids. For that to be true they would have needed to change their stance, otherwise its just them being consistent with their prior policies.

 

 

[artharon.9276]

6 minutes ago, yann.1946 said:

You apparently can not read what i said. 😛

I never claimed whether it was okay or not. I responded to the specific claim that allowing the selling of runs was anet admitting they kittened up with raids. For that to be true they would have needed to change their stance, otherwise its just them being consistent with their prior policies.

 

 

and I didn't directly made a counter argument to you, just elaborated the previous in general. take it as humour, not toxicity 🙂 cheers

Edited July 30, 2021 by artharon.9276

[Fangoth.4503]

1 hour ago, artharon.9276 said:

 

It's like saying doing your poo in the middle of the street like a dog was once ok, so we should do it in 2021.

Love these conservatives really, always can easily hide their b.s behind "traditions". 

 

Are you calling buyers dog poop 😱 because at the end of the day the only reason for people to sell is that there is people that want to buy

[artharon.9276]

13 minutes ago, Fangoth.4503 said:

 

Are you calling buyers dog poop 😱 because at the end of the day the only reason for people to sell is that there is people that want to buy

 

no you're not the reason nor the sellers are the reason. it'll be a little bit of an exaggeration but to me it's more like legalizing super addictive lethal drugs in a country (with right to advertise) just because some people are so desparete to use it.

 

No, gw2 is the only game built around of ending the traditional end game elitisim. it has tons of inviting design elements to end loners. like no npc tagging, personalized and equally shared rewards, it doesn't even have a traditional group leader mechanism. these stuff are revolutionary. it's not exacly like the original guild wars too in this case, so raid selling is simply drug dealng in this most civilized mmorpg.  

[Fangoth.4503]

5 minutes ago, artharon.9276 said:

 

no you're not the reason nor the sellers are the reason. it'll be a little bit of an exaggeration but to me it's more like legalizing super addictive lethal drugs in a country (with right to advertise) just because some people are so desparete to use it.

 

No, gw2 is the only game built around of ending the traditional end game elitisim. it has tons of inviting design elements to end loners. like no npc tagging, personalized and equally shared rewards, it doesn't even have a traditional group leader mechanism. these stuff are revolutionary. it's not exacly like the original guild wars too in this case, so raid selling is simply drug dealng in this most civilized mmorpg.  

I know I'm not nor are the seller, that's why I precised buyers.
rest is totally wrong, you cannot end elitism if you have content requiring more than auto attack in full minstrel. and gw alike most mmo has a good chunk failproof but also provide more for the player that want to improve their gameplay.
Buy some players rather buy the success associated to hard content than improve their gameplay and that's what lead to dungeon/DRM/strike/raid/fractal/story success being sold

[artharon.9276]

1 minute ago, Fangoth.4503 said:

I know I'm not nor are the seller, that's why I precised buyers.
rest is totally wrong, you cannot end elitism if you have content requiring more than auto attack in full minstrel. and gw alike most mmo has a good chunk failproof but also provide more for the player that want to improve their gameplay.
Buy some players rather buy the success associated to hard content than improve their gameplay and that's what lead to dungeon/DRM/strike/raid/fractal/story success being sold

Then are not aware what you are playing mate. they can end elitism by simply remove dps meters, banning any kind of 3rd party measurement addons, removing any ability to prove that you successfully completed an instance once, outlaw raid selling, quit bringing in more and more powercreep by orphaning the core classes to promote their elite specs and lastly, keeping raiding rewards at bare minimum.

 

Fractals and the rest of the content don't really suffer these issues. People are fun, patient and respectful, I just love it. But when it comes to raiding... screams, stress, scoldings, fights, sarcasm, stupid meta arguments, firing people just because they failed to do x thing once or twice when the group has absolute power and ability to carry that person. These things never directed to me, but I had to witness this nonsense almost every time, dude if I wanted to have that stress, I'd go play a non casual friendly game not an easy game like gw2. 

 

This is why I liked EoD offered no new raids so far and showed signs of improving strikes instead. Back to the time when the grass was greener. But they probably will, because meta nerds demand it. 

 

[Sobx.1758]

On 7/29/2021 at 3:04 PM, Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:

Strike CMs are the new raids.

For all we know, they might be on a similar level of gameplay to current raids, except you get thrown right into the boss encounter. I don't see how that's a problem for some people. Is it because it's not called "raids"?

@yukarishura.4790 ?

 

Edited July 30, 2021 by Sobx.1758

[Tazer.2157]

Actually it is a very intelligent decision. Making a new expansion takes work. Making a raid takes work and time. Instead of making a half-***** raid, they seem to be reusing bosses that we find in the open world in strikes and adding new mechanics. This saves them from spending time on creating additional assets and they can actually work on the encounter itself. 

 

 I do not expect them to work on a raid with all the open world maps and encounters they have to design. Maybe a raid can come later where they can devote the time it needs. 

[CasualElitist.8795]

38 minutes ago, artharon.9276 said:

Fractals and the rest of the content don't really suffer these issues. People are fun, patient and respectful, I just love it. But when it comes to raiding... screams, stress, scoldings, fights, sarcasm, stupid meta arguments, firing people just because they failed to do x thing once or twice when the group has absolute power and ability to carry that person

 

Wait, have you never done T4+cms fractals? Because they are exactly like raids - asking for kp, using dps meters and kicking people when they are underperforming. Fun and patient people? You can meet them in raids. Toxic people? You can meet them in fractals too, even more often than in raids. Same with strike missions. Just because you personally did not encounter them in any other content, it doesn't mean they don't exist. And just because you personally met some toxicity in raids (if you even raided and not just based your opinion on some reddit threads crying that raids are toxic and unaccessible to casuals), doesn't mean that most of raid playerbase is like that because it's not.

 

Toxicity and unnaccessibility of raids is a myth, and everyone who put the smallest effort to actually try them out, so basically getting exotic gear with proper stats, good build and joined any raid training discord, can tell you this.

 

Someone here earlier compared raid selling to drug dealing? It's more like a free market, you have a demand so you supply. You have people who can't be bothered to spend few hours per week actively playing and getting LI for legendary armor, but are willing to pay someone to carry them? Well then you also have people who will do that for you, for a price adequate to their experience and time needed to be spent on it. It's like, idk, some people grow carrots in their garden and some go buy them from the store. So I am not really sure how raid sellers are creating toxcity and elitism? They are not the ones kicking you from pugs when you don't pull your weight. And in case you don't know, it's not "raid" sellers, it's just sellers, as they sell every possible content in the game - dmrs, strikes, fractals, raids, story achievements, collections, skyscale material farming, wvw reward tracks....anything you can possibly imagine is sellable. People think it's only raid sellers because they usually advertise in raid lfg. But with raids gone, they will still be out there, selling other content. Noone is forced to buy so this whole hate on sellers is just hilarious.