Infusion.7149 Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 (edited) Quote the pursuit of raids has kind of 01:09 ruined the past 01:10 three four years of this game's 01:12 reputation and development 01:14 and why this little announcement on the 01:16 sneak peek 01:17 could be the greatest news of all i mean 01:19 really exciting ... since raids were introduced with 04:47 heart of thorns in 2015 04:49 six years ago seven years once end of 04:52 dragons out nearly 04:54 since then they've done seven wings 04:57 that's it 04:57 seven but really if you look at those 05:00 seven wings 05:01 only four of the seven that would be the 05:04 first three 05:04 and then the underworld only those four 05:07 were unflinchingly balanced for like a 05:09 hardcore community 05:11 all the others were balanced around a 05:13 much 05:14 lower bar a deliberately lower bar to 05:16 try and grab a larger audience because 05:18 the raiding community in guild wars 2 is 05:20 very small 05:21 and so when they made these wings they 05:22 wanted it to appeal to more people make 05:24 it seem like it's more possible 05:26 and that was a big mistake in my opinion 05:28 and one of many mistakes because what 05:30 that meant 05:30 is that these wings failed to satisfy 05:33 the people who wanted a challenge 05:35 her community had already been waiting 05:36 long stretches of time like 05:38 nine months or more upwards with no 05:40 assurance that new wings would be coming 05:42 in 05:42 only to then just like one shot some of 05:44 the encounters and move on to the point 05:45 that they then quit 05:47 solidifying guild wars 2 status outside 05:49 of mmos as just an easy game and it 05:52 didn't even really convince 05:53 people who weren't raiding to get in on 05:55 it big time because they didn't trust 05:57 that when they're being told it's easier 05:58 or it's balanced to be 06:00 more comfortable that they really had an 06:02 opportunity to get in they weren't 06:03 confident about their gear they weren't 06:05 confident about their builds they 06:06 weren't sure where to where to get a 06:07 group because this game doesn't have a 06:08 sophisticated or robust lfg 06:10 tool these are the things that guild 06:12 wars 2 actually needed to work on to 06:14 improve its infrastructure and grow the 06:16 rating scene 06:16 so it's just shrunk even more and we've 06:18 seen through the entire iceberg saga era 06:21 they didn't do it at all so let's be 06:23 clear i think in an 06:24 ideal world raids guild wars 2's version 06:27 of raids 06:28 are amazing truly the best pve has ever 06:31 been in this game 06:32 my best experiences of pve are by and 06:35 large 06:36 within those raid wings that they've 06:37 released uh in terms of spectacle and 06:39 environment 06:40 and luda narrative and all the rest they 06:42 are fantastic 06:43 the difficulty tuning is nearly always 06:46 what has tripped them up and has never 06:48 really been an adequate or appropriate 06:50 bar 06:50 if arenanet had calibrated especially 06:52 those most recent three wings i would 06:54 say better 06:54 they would still have the reputation as 06:56 being some of the best in the genre 06:58 just that they come out too slowly and 07:00 really other games are more efficient 07:02 at getting them in at a good cadence but 07:04 we don't live in that ideal world 07:07 we live in the world where the studio 07:08 prioritizes open world maps over raids 07:11 and masteries over raids and story 07:14 instances 07:14 overrate and meta events over raids 07:17 instead 07:17 we live in a world where half the studio 07:19 seems to be making mobile games or 07:21 pitches for the june ip 07:22 or whatever else is going on since raids 07:25 came out in heart of thorns 07:26 there hasn't been a permanent fixture of 07:28 like a raiding team raiding teams are 07:30 quietly shuffled away in the background 07:31 to work on other stuff 07:32 we haven't had that expectation of new 07:34 ones coming since what the first three i 07:36 think we knew there were going to be 07:37 three 07:38 coming out in what 2015 ever since then 07:40 it's just been 07:41 are we lucky enough to get a raid who 07:43 knows maybe today their announcement 07:44 maybe they won't for another six months 07:46 so we're in a chicken and an egg 07:48 situation as far as raids are currently 07:50 where there's basically no sizable 07:52 community what exists is pathetically 07:54 small 07:54 very easy to ignore and so they don't 07:57 make the content for that tiny community 07:59 so the community shrinks further and we 08:01 spiral downwards Relevant. Edited August 2, 2021 by Infusion.7149 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yann.1946 Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: It will do the secondary job , progression (brw how much gold cost , selling Raid Run ?) Progression in what way? Adding kp so easymode can be gatekept as people claim normal raids are? I have no idea how much raids cost, never bought or sold raids. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 7 hours ago, yann.1946 said: Progression in what way? Adding kp so easymode can be gatekept as people claim normal raids are? I have no idea how much raids cost, never bought or sold raids. Progress from day for Legendary Gear It will be completed in 1 year . If you collect , somehow 250 LI (playing with guild-friend?) you can join LFG/hardmode , in order to complete the set in 3 Months . If Hardcore people demand another killproof or title , then the casuals will be playing for the rest of the yeat in easy mode 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: Progress from day for Legendary Gear It will be completed in 1 year . If you collect , somehow 250 LI (playing with guild-friend?) you can join LFG/hardmode , in order to complete the set in 3 Months . If Hardcore people demand another killproof or title , then the casuals will be playing for the rest of the yeat in easy mode Yes you can join the squad ping your li then get the kick after first wipe or gg depending how badly you do your jobb. A decent commander can see if your kittening up mate. Edited August 2, 2021 by Linken.6345 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yann.1946 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 7 hours ago, Linken.6345 said: Yes you can join the squad ping your li then get the kick after first wipe or gg depending how badly you do your jobb. A decent commander can see if your kittening up mate. LI will most likely just not be used as KP ik easy mode gave kp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangoth.4503 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 11 hours ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: If they can use those easy-medium to progress/unlock Legendary gear , then ok 😛 why not asking for an easy mode pvp or wvw then, they have leg armor too 🙃 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralporing.1957 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Fangoth.4503 said: why not asking for an easy mode pvp or wvw then, they have leg armor too 🙃 Because they already have that. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangoth.4503 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Astralporing.1957 said: Because they already have that. well in that case there is no need for the leg armor being on a raid easymode 🤔 anyhow they might make an openworld one at some point will fix that issue ☺️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangoth.4503 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 13 hours ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: I want to try that content I want a chance But some1 is blocking my way 🙂 yes yourself and only yourself is blocking you from doing raid, it's pretty easy to start raid right now even with 0LI. But instead you chose just to blame others for your failure 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralporing.1957 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Fangoth.4503 said: well in that case there is no need for the leg armor being on a raid easymode 🤔 Why? PvE is not PvP. PvP having their armor sets on PvP easymode is in no way relevant for PvE players. 3 hours ago, Fangoth.4503 said: anyhow they might make an openworld one at some point will fix that issue ☺️ Yes, that's another way to fix that issue. So far however there's no fix of any kind forthcoming yet. Edited August 3, 2021 by Astralporing.1957 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Fangoth.4503 said: yes yourself and only yourself is blocking you from doing raid, it's pretty easy to start raid right now even with 0LI. But instead you chose just to blame others for your failure Why are so overprotected for having an easy mode that offer a longterm reward ? You are the one that need more raid participation to justifie new Raids 😛 The casual dont needthem (every next week , the rewards and difficulty should be doubled . It will remove the gold inflation by 70%) Edited August 3, 2021 by Killthehealersffs.8940 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: Why are so overprotected for having an easy mode that offer a longterm reward ? You are the one that need more raid participation to justifie new Raids 😛 Yea and how do it justify to make new raids if people are doing the old first 4 for 5 months just for the reward and then leaves? What should justify new raids is how long the people keep doing the same raids week after week. Thats a good roi right there, how long do people stay on the same living world map week after week spaning years yea not many if any do that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Linken.6345 said: Yea and how do it justify to make new raids if people are doing the old first 4 for 5 months just for the reward and then leaves? What should justify new raids is how long the people keep doing the same raids week after week. Thats a good roi right there, how long do people stay on the same living world map week after week spaning years yea not many if any do that. If those people are playing once per week and for the next 6 days goes into the forums and saying : " its you fault for not trying enought to be accepted into Raids" , what is good about keeping those people around ?:P At some point you will allienate a huge of the part community and if something goes wrong you cant get their support for something Edited August 3, 2021 by Killthehealersffs.8940 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangoth.4503 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Astralporing.1957 said: Why? PvE is not PvP. PvP having their armor sets on PvP easymode is in no way relevant for PvE players. Then ask to have one in openworld, having one in raid is also irrelevant for openworld players considering raid and openworld the same is as wrong as considering pvp and openworld the same. 🙃 1 hour ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: Why are so overprotected for having an easy mode that offer a longterm reward ? You are the one that need more raid participation to justifie new Raids 😛 The casual dont needthem (every next week , the rewards and difficulty should be doubled . It will remove the gold inflation by 70%) Why do you want reward without playing the game? making raid low quality to get more participation and with more useless raid further down the line isn't an improvement. participation is fine, those that want to play it can, i can accept that not everyone enjoy this gamemode unlike all these player that say raiders are toxic just to justify that they are not made for raid. legendary armor is in no way an asset to the gamemode. it might bring two new good raider for 100 player dragged into sothing they dont enjoy making it harder for everyone 52 minutes ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: If those people are playing once per week and for the next 6 days goes into the forums and saying : " its you fault for not trying enought to be accepted into Raids" , what is good about keeping those people around ?:P At some point you will allienate a huge of the part community and if something goes wrong you cant get their support for something There is no point trying to keep player in a gamemode they don't like. you play what you enjoy, being forced to do something you don't like lead to afk player in wvw, bot in pvp, clueless player in raid. it causes more problem than anything. yes a huge part is kept outside but it's also the part that does't enjoy this content so a win/win situation Edited August 3, 2021 by Fangoth.4503 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Fangoth.4503 said: Then ask to have one in openworld, having one in raid is also irrelevant for openworld players Why do you want reward without playing the game? making raid low quality to get more participation and with more useless raid further down the line isn't an improvement. participation is fine, those that want to play it can, i can accept that not everyone enjoy this gamemode unlike all these player that say raiders are toxic just to justify that they are not made for raid. legendary armor is in no way an asset to the gamemode. it might bring two new good raider for 100 player dragged into sothing they dont enjoy making it harder for everyone There is no point trying to keep player in a gamemode they don't like. you play what you enjoy, being forced to do something you don't like lead to afk player in wvw, bot in pvp, clueless player in raid. it causes more problem than anything. yes a huge part is kept outside but it's also the part that does't enjoy this content so a win/win situation Or an easy mode is an introduction to show the mechanics and not force people to "loose the mystery-magic" by looking up the encounter first on youtuvbe and then doing so . If the problem is people wont play with other , because they do low amountof dps , why not create a "mod" that automate the roation process , stop at dodge and resume at auto attack ? That why they will focus in surviving and have a blast looking the enviroment .And not some1 else breathing in their necsabout low dps Its like those guys with automatic scooter ( cought* Peugeot Streetfight II 50cc -silver ) that enjoy the Wind (dust from other viacles) without the hassle of changing gear Edited August 3, 2021 by Killthehealersffs.8940 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: Or an easy mode is an introduction to show the mechanics and not force people to "loose the mystery-magic" by looking up the encounter first on youtuvbe and then doing so . If the problem is people wont play with other , because they do low amountof dps , why not create a "mod" that automate the roation process , stop at dodge and resume at auto attack ? That why they will focus in surviving and have a blast looking the enviroment Its like those guys with automatic scooter ( cought* Peugeot Streetfight II 50cc) that enjoy the Wind (dust from other viacles) without the hassle lmao, so much for saving mode or w/e, when you just want an autoclicker/autoplay/idle type of mode for rewards. 🙃 Wrong game genre, buddy. Edited August 3, 2021 by Sobx.1758 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 7 hours ago, Sobx.1758 said: lmao, so much for saving mode or w/e, when you just want an autoclicker/autoplay/idle type of mode for rewards. 🙃 Wrong game genre, buddy. Lets create a n easy mode so they learn and offer them progression/reward 😛 How many people are doing Raids and want more on the Forums? Can you fill a small boat ?:P 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: Lets create a n easy mode so they learn Yes Quote and offer them progression/reward 😛 Sure, there can be some rewards, never had a problem with that. But lower than normal (because scaling with difficulty isn't new and is absolutely logical/understandable) and no LI. I don't see the problem. Learn the mode and play it how it's intended to be played. Complete the content for the rewards. Not a new concept. Perfectly good concept. 🙂 Quote How many people are doing Raids and want more on the Forums? Can you fill a small boat ?:P Irrelevant, just giving out armor because you pretty much want to bot through the content with 4 healers doesn't save raids or increase the playerbase, so stop pretending 🙂 And if you don't want to get better for the rewards that don't lock you out of any content in the game, then stick to the ascended gear, everyone's fine with it. Edited August 3, 2021 by Sobx.1758 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangoth.4503 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: Or an easy mode is an introduction to show the mechanics and not force people to "loose the mystery-magic" by looking up the encounter first on youtuvbe and then doing so . there is no guide on release, just be on time ☺️ 5 minutes ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: If the problem is people wont play with other , because they do low amountof dps , why not create a "mod" that automate the roation process , stop at dodge and resume at auto attack ? Last time i checked bot are against ToS. and if you need to have the computer playing for you what's the point playing at all? Additionally people are kicket when they do subobtimal damage which is doing less damage that just auto attacking with correct gear and traits. 9 minutes ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: That why they will focus in surviving and have a blast looking the enviroment then just don't do raid and enjoy the content made for you 🙃 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangoth.4503 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: Can you fill a small boat ?:P Well actually lately i'm being invited in groups as i log in, even at 4am. Not having any issue getting a group 😜 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: Or an easy mode is an introduction to show the mechanics and not force people to "loose the mystery-magic" by looking up the encounter first on youtuvbe and then doing so . Ah and for the weird "mystery-magic" thing -literally create your own training run for raids, get everyone in and then start the encounters without explaining anything. There's your "release period of mystery magic". Unless... that's not REALLY what you want here, eh? 🙄 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 7 hours ago, Sobx.1758 said: Yes Sure, there can be some rewards, never had a problem with that. But lower than normal (because scaling with difficulty isn't new and is absolutely logical/understandable) and no LI. I don't see the problem. Learn the mode and play it how it's intended to be played. Complete the content for the rewards. Not a new concept. Perfectly good concept. 🙂 Irrelevant, just giving out armor because you pretty much want to bot through the content with 4 healers doesn't save raids or increase the playerbase, so stop pretending 🙂 And if you don't want to get better for the rewards that don't lock you out of any content in the game, then stick to the ascended gear, everyone's fine with it. Yes to LI ,they need progression to stay , otherwise offer the same gold 😛 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Sobx.1758 said: Ah and for the weird "mystery-magic" thing -literally create your own training run for raids, get everyone in and then start the encounters without explaining anything. There's your "release period of mystery magic". Unless... that's not REALLY what you want here, eh? 🙄 Ofc You seem to have time to argue with me , but you dont offer me a party inv I understand , some1 else must teach me 😛 Edited August 3, 2021 by Killthehealersffs.8940 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangoth.4503 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Killthehealersffs.8940 said: Ofc You seem to have time to argue with me , but you dont offer me a party inv I understand , some1 else must teach me 😛 Or it's quite obvious that you don't want to learn raid but just get your li and yeah no one want waste their time helping player in that mindset if they can instead help player that actually want to play the content 😅 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Fangoth.4503 said: Or it's quite obvious that you don't want to learn raid but just get your li and yeah no one want waste their time helping player in that mindset if they can instead help player that actually want to play the content 😅 I want Li , you want Raid participation . Otherwise lets restart this whole deal and leave Raids alone , like dungeon 😛 Edited August 3, 2021 by Killthehealersffs.8940 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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