Where was Jormag originally sleeping? [spoilers]

[NorthernRedStar.3054]

During the Bitterfrost Frontier storyline, an NPC mentions The Bitter Cold as an area in close proximity to Jormag. But later on, we find them sleeping as far up north (and west) as Drizzlewood Coast. And in the lore, Movement of the World, it mentions Jormag awakening "far in the north" - which would imply outside the current map. Asgeir's zone of battle with the elder dragon would also imply as much..

It would be interesting to hear a dev / writer answer to this? Did this get retconned more than once?

[Sajuuk Khar.1509]

Jormag was originally asleep beyond the map boundaries, in the far north. It woke up, moved south, and fought Asgier in Bjora Marches.

 

Later, during the Bitterforst release of LWS3, it was near Bitterforst. Between then, and when it was put to asleep at the end of Draconis Mons, it moved into Drizzlewood.

[Konig Des Todes.2086]

15 hours ago, NorthernRedStar.3054 said:

During the Bitterfrost Frontier storyline, an NPC mentions The Bitter Cold as an area in close proximity to Jormag. But later on, we find them sleeping as far up north (and west) as Drizzlewood Coast. And in the lore, Movement of the World, it mentions Jormag awakening "far in the north" - which would imply outside the current map. Asgeir's zone of battle with the elder dragon would also imply as much..

It would be interesting to hear a dev / writer answer to this? Did this get retconned more than once?

Simple answer: Jormag moves.

 

Kralkatorrik and Primordus moved too. The deep sea dragon will have too, assuming they didn't retcon its original waking point and it shows up in/around Cantha.

[NorthernRedStar.3054]

1 hour ago, Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

Simple answer: Jormag moves.

 

Kralkatorrik and Primordus moved too. The deep sea dragon will have too, assuming they didn't retcon its original waking point and it shows up in/around Cantha.

But, like, why?

Why would Jormag march towards the south, only to take a quick 90¤ and go west instead? It doesn't make sense to me.

[Sajuuk Khar.1509]

1 hour ago, NorthernRedStar.3054 said:

But, like, why?

Why would Jormag march towards the south, only to take a quick 90¤ and go west instead? It doesn't make sense to me.

The place Jormag went was the old Norn temple to the Spirits of the Wild, and a nexus of magical power.

[NorthernRedStar.3054]

25 minutes ago, Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:

The place Jormag went was the old Norn temple to the Spirits of the Wild, and a nexus of magical power.

But if they were near Bitterfrost beforehand, how did they get so far west so fast? Why not go there earlier (like, a decade or so)? I was under impression Primordus and Jormag both fell "asleep" immediately after Taimi's machine went off, and neither had any time to re-position themselves. 

[Sajuuk Khar.1509]

1 minute ago, NorthernRedStar.3054 said:

But if they were near Bitterfrost beforehand, how did they get so far west so fast? Why not go there earlier (like, a decade or so)? I was under impression Primordus and Jormag both fell "asleep" immediately after Taimi's machine went off, and neither had any time to re-position themselves. 

What do you mean so fast? Taimi's machine went off several months after the events at Bitterfrost. It could have crawled and made it there in time.

[Randulf.7614]

22 hours ago, NorthernRedStar.3054 said:

But if they were near Bitterfrost beforehand, how did they get so far west so fast? Why not go there earlier (like, a decade or so)? I was under impression Primordus and Jormag both fell "asleep" immediately after Taimi's machine went off, and neither had any time to re-position themselves. 

 

Its not directly explained and it does initially seem like they were near Bitterfrost then in the next mention they drop because of Taimi’s machine, but as said above, the timeframe is more than long enough to account for moving. Its also a little unclear how Braham and his army got there originally to fight it before it dropped into the ice, but there is likely other paths we don't know about to explain that. 

 

As for why Jormag moves around a lot, the seemingly best explanation is the spread of magic. Things became quite unstable after Zhaitan and Mordremoth and given a side story between ep1 and ep2 was dedicated to Primordus travelling thousands on miles from under Frostgorge far down to the Fire Islands to consume magic, it is reasonable to conclude Jormag moved to near Bitterfrost to lap up magic (we saw plenty of unstable magic nearby after all) before heading or returning to Drizzlewood where more magic was accumulated.

 

Basically it comes down to it not being overtly explained in the story, but the pieces being presented in a way to enable us put it all together. Which given the often rapidly changing story directions for the game at least works in this case now we have the complete picture

Edited August 7, 2021 by Randulf.7614

[Konig Des Todes.2086]

On 8/6/2021 at 2:59 PM, NorthernRedStar.3054 said:

But if they were near Bitterfrost beforehand, how did they get so far west so fast? Why not go there earlier (like, a decade or so)? I was under impression Primordus and Jormag both fell "asleep" immediately after Taimi's machine went off, and neither had any time to re-position themselves. 

So fast? Kralkatorrik went from Grothmar to Desert Highlands in mere hours or less. They're giant beings probably capable of circumventing the globe in days or less.

 

As to why not go there earlier - the Elder Dragons only seem to move once the location they're at is drained of magic, or they sense a higher quantity of magic elsewhere. Also keep in mind that Braham went after Jormag immediately after the events of Episode 3, and canonically there would have been at least 4-6 months between end of A Crack in the Ice and end of Flashpoint.

 

One issue here is that IBS was also very clearly repeating the Eye of the North's footsteps in locations, so they wanted to include Woodland Cascades in it, even if it didn't fit Season 3 lore entirely. There's a lot of iffy to downright contradictory aspects of IBS, especially after Episode 2. This is one of the less iffier issues, though.

[Tyson.5160]

On 8/7/2021 at 10:26 AM, Randulf.7614 said:

 

Its not directly explained and it does initially seem like they were near Bitterfrost then in the next mention they drop because of Taimi’s machine, but as said above, the timeframe is more than long enough to account for moving. Its also a little unclear how Braham and his army got there originally to fight it before it dropped into the ice, but there is likely other paths we don't know about to explain that. 

 

 

My best guess for the above, is Braham got lucky. When Balthazar activated the machine it killed the destroyers in the volcanoe chimney. I suspect this happened to the Icebrood surrounding Jormag, giving Braham and his guild an opportunity to get in position, which Braham claimed happened. Jormag would have also been in a paralyzed state like Primordus, which would explain, how Jormag didn’t slaughter them. Once the machine overloaded, Jormag would have cried out, after getting hit by the fire energy and returned to the ice, travelling up to the Sanctum of the Wild to heal.

Edited September 7, 2021 by Tyson.5160

[DaZeeHero.5210]

I have it on good authority Jormag originates from my freezer that one time I didn't open it for about a year.