Please make scepter Lightning Rod competitive

[SevlisBavles.3059]

Jesus christ it is SO MUCH FUN to play it hurts, just in and of itself, nevermind the fact that it's just not viable. 

 

Please have a look at it because holy kitten it would be such an unreal amount of fun to play in ranked. 

[Kuma.1503]

For weaver tempest or core?

 

What in particular did you find lacking? I'm all aboard when it comes to ele buffs. Asuming the point of this thread was to get a message across to the devs, feedback on what felt weak should help. 

 

Personally, I think arcane skills are overnerfed. I would suggest leaving the damage and ammo charges as is. Instant cast damage should not hit hard on it's own nor be overly spammable, but I would consider giving arcane skills a damage amp.  Something like +X% increased damage for 3 seconds on cast. Goal here is to increase ele's burst damage when they have charges up without giving them access to hard hitting instant cast damage on a low cooldown.

 

Naturally, this would stack with their ferocity buff  (traited) and allow ele to hit for some appropriate glass canon numbers when their cooldowns are available. 

[Genesis.5169]

FA ele scepter is one of the best ele builds if not the best one.

[SevlisBavles.3059]

 

4 hours ago, Kuma.1503 said:

For weaver tempest or core?

 

What in particular did you find lacking? I'm all aboard when it comes to ele buffs. Asuming the point of this thread was to get a message across to the devs, feedback on what felt weak should help. 

 

Personally, I think arcane skills are overnerfed. I would suggest leaving the damage and ammo charges as is. Instant cast damage should not hit hard on it's own nor be overly spammable, but I would consider giving arcane skills a damage amp.  Something like +X% increased damage for 3 seconds on cast. Goal here is to increase ele's burst damage when they have charges up without giving them access to hard hitting instant cast damage on a low cooldown.

 

Naturally, this would stack with their ferocity buff  (traited) and allow ele to hit for some appropriate glass canon numbers when their cooldowns are available. 

I'd say for Weaver and Core, Tempest is kind of fine.

 

It lacks an actual role. With Woven Stride and One with Air for instance, you have that much mobility that you can actually roam. But you have nothing to back it up with. You have no sustain, which you need to sacrifice for damage, and the damage output is laughable compares to a DH's burst or a Herald's burst. Weaver with Berserker amulet is like 11k health and one mistake and you're just gone, you basically have to carry Earth Shield and Focus and even then you're delaying the inevitable. Herald with Berserker amulet is 20k health with a higher damage output than LR, as much CC and much higher sustain. Unlike Fire Weaver, LR can't really hold a point against most classes, only against a few, so side noder is out of the question.

 

It says everything about the meta that the only actually competitively viable Weaver build at the moment is Fire Weaver, with all the sustain stacked up.  

[Kuma.1503]

7 hours ago, SevlisBavles.3059 said:

 

I'd say for Weaver and Core, Tempest is kind of fine.

 

It lacks an actual role. With Woven Stride and One with Air for instance, you have that much mobility that you can actually roam. But you have nothing to back it up with. You have no sustain, which you need to sacrifice for damage, and the damage output is laughable compares to a DH's burst or a Herald's burst. Weaver with Berserker amulet is like 11k health and one mistake and you're just gone, you basically have to carry Earth Shield and Focus and even then you're delaying the inevitable. Herald with Berserker amulet is 20k health with a higher damage output than LR, as much CC and much higher sustain. Unlike Fire Weaver, LR can't really hold a point against most classes, only against a few, so side noder is out of the question.

 

It says everything about the meta that the only actually competitively viable Weaver build at the moment is Fire Weaver, with all the sustain stacked up.  

 

Yup this checks out sadly. Scepter weaver gives up a lot for the sole purpose of dealing damage, but the reward for making that sacrifice isn't worth the risk. They aren't dealing damage appropriate for a glass canon. 

 

This problem isn't unique to scepter ele. The spec as a whole isn't dealing the kind of damage it should be. It's forced into sustain builds because speccing for dps isn't worth it. 

 

All that being said, if you do want to play scepter weaver, Fresh Air >> Lightning rod. It's got more burst, more superspeed, and It can access it's 3-5 skills more quickly in combat. You're still going to get 100-0'd by a thief backstab, shiro port or true shot, but the build at least has the capacity to 100-0 Necros who think they can get away with face tanking your burst...

 

Frankly, the number of necro mains who think they can get away with face tanking dragon's tooth still astounds me to this day. Says a lot about the state of necro right now. 

Edited August 10, 2021 by Kuma.1503

[witcher.3197]

Please don't remind Anet Lightning Rod exists because they'll nerf it to 6 damage too

[Vague Memory.2817]

Wrong thread.

Edited August 11, 2021 by Vague Memory.2817

[Shao.7236]

On 8/10/2021 at 4:45 AM, Genesis.5169 said:

FA ele scepter is one of the best ele builds if not the best one.

Used to be good, high CD's on with ammo/effect nerfs on Arcane skills and Cantrips makes it trash.

Edited August 12, 2021 by Shao.7236

[Swagg.9236]

Bro, you can play scepter ele with a steering wheel.  It's somehow even less interactive than sword/X weaver, and that build is straight up just baby rotations.

Edited August 12, 2021 by Swagg.9236