How you know metabattles wrong

[RedAvenged.5217]

When they say insane kitten and delete every single one of their own comments.

 

Big problems with this site-

1.) they put the meta on several months after it is actually meta

2.) rate builds currently in meta as decent

3.) many builds that are considered super awesome for ranked either never get posted or never make it out of test despite being considered op at least for ranked

4.) some completely unviable specs from years ago remain in good rating while the current op ranked builds don’t get put in.

Edited August 10, 2021 by RedAvenged.5217

[Genesis.5169]

I agree same with godofpvp or w/e its called yet people love to cite that horrible site.

[Crab Fear.1624]

4 minutes ago, RedAvenged.5217 said:

When they say insane kitten and delete every single one of their own comments.

 

Big problems with this site-

1.) they put the meta on several months after it is actually meta

2.) rate builds currently in meta as decent

3.) many builds that are considered super awesome for ranked either never get posted or never make it out of test despite being considered op at least for ranked

Like I said the curators are ultra biased lol

[RedAvenged.5217]

1 minute ago, Crab Fear.1624 said:

Like I said the curators are ultra biased lol

I don’t like judging people but the sole decider of what’s meta on meta battle is a guy that’s almost never made it out of gold and he what I assumes is jus watch mats and says- o that’s meta

[RedAvenged.5217]

5 minutes ago, Genesis.5169 said:

I agree same with godofpvp or w/e its called yet people love to cite that horrible site.

Well godsofpvp is a site that’s been done for a few months-

i have similar complaints about their site though- dudes impossible imo (1 person ran that site but like I said it’s closed)

[saerni.2584]

To be fair it's hard to run a site like that and keep it updated. People have lives and it's a thankless job, which you will 100% get hate for doing in part because meta builds still need to be played correctly in order to work (and may be countered by an off-meta variant) since you don't control your team composition in ranked. 
 

It's good for 100% newbies but tbh those people shouldn't worry and focus on their mechanical/rotational skills and ask around for advice about a build for their play style (assuming that makes sense for their profession).

[Genesis.5169]

6 hours ago, saerni.2584 said:

To be fair it's hard to run a site like that and keep it updated. People have lives and it's a thankless job, which you will 100% get hate for doing in part because meta builds still need to be played correctly in order to work (and may be countered by an off-meta variant) since you don't control your team composition in ranked. 
 

It's good for 100% newbies but tbh those people shouldn't worry and focus on their mechanical/rotational skills and ask around for advice about a build for their play style (assuming that makes sense for their profession).

 

Too be fair people need to stop using those site's as a reference I posted a thread about irrational condition hatred and some guy responded with posts from these said crappy site's thinking he was right, that thread got 2k+ views we don't have many pvp'ers (perhaps a dev or 2 who browses the forums) now some of them of the very few pvp'ers we have left thinking there are more viable condition builds then their actually are because of misinformation.

 

The point of the thread is to point out how out of date and useless those sites are not how hard it is to run.

 

Edited August 10, 2021 by Genesis.5169
Master of not proof reading typo's till 10mins later.

[Raiden The Beast.3016]

https://hardstuck.gg/

[phokus.8934]

1 hour ago, Raiden The Beast.3016 said:

https://hardstuck.gg/

Everything should be used as a rough guide.  Even this site doesn't quite get Mirage Alac (in fractals and raids) completely right with the traits and utilities.

[Azure The Heartless.3261]

None of the meta sites will be consistently and completely accurate, but they do tend to give good ballpark descriptions of class builds that may overperform, and give some insight as to why. They should be taken with a grain of salt but are still useful for reference. 

[Obtena.7952]

Just wait until you realize the builds they post don't really matter anyways. 

 

I prefer Snowcrows, or whatever it's being called now. 

Edited August 10, 2021 by Obtena.7952

[RedAvenged.5217]

Forgot to add number 4.

 

Meanwhile weak builds like pw thief are in good rating- builds like pp condi thief, which if not for weaver hard countering it would be one of the best side noders, would never get posted or never make it out of a 1 star rating from the moderator 

[Locuz.2651]

9 hours ago, RedAvenged.5217 said:

Meanwhile weak builds like pw thief are in good rating- builds like pp condi thief, which if not for weaver hard countering it would be one of the best side noders, would never get posted or never make it out of a 1 star rating from the moderato

 

PW thief? You mean PD or?

 

Pp condi thief that does well as side noder? I played some PP DD with bound and saw 1 other guy play something similar but its not that great imo. 

 

Care to post a link of the build?

 

 

[Dawdler.8521]

I tried a metabattle build not long ago on the rev and died anyway!

 

That clearly means the site is broken.

[RedAvenged.5217]

10 hours ago, Locuz.2651 said:

 

PW thief? You mean PD or?

 

Pp condi thief that does well as side noder? I played some PP DD with bound and saw 1 other guy play something similar but its not that great imo. 

 

Care to post a link of the build?

 

 

Pw = Pistol whip- it is so bad it’s unplayable. And yeah a p/p build that side nodes, there are ppl who can stay 1750 rated consistently, which a lot more than pistol whip- good luck getting to plat 1-2 on pistol whip

Edited August 11, 2021 by RedAvenged.5217

[RedAvenged.5217]

11 hours ago, Locuz.2651 said:

 

 

Care to post a link of the build?

 

 

Sure- http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PawAoqVlFw2YgMR2Ie2W3NdA-zZoKlCSgMDhejguLAXHA

 

something like this- though somethings could change, it could even be sage or a precision amulet like wizards.

 

it can solidly beats side noders like ranger, warrior and mirage while being decent against plus 1s if you time stealth correctly. It can also beat other thief’s, revs nade holos etc.

 

like I said before it’s weakness is weaver which you can never beat. Other than that it’s fairly good, but it might take awhile to get used to since it’s a thief build

Edited August 11, 2021 by RedAvenged.5217
Put wrong link

[RedAvenged.5217]

On 8/10/2021 at 10:44 AM, Raiden The Beast.3016 said:

https://hardstuck.gg/

I find even this site to simply be a ui buff to some of the others- 

1.) made by people-

btw with zero fundamental knowledge or relevance on the classes they are making builds about.

 

i can simply gloss through and see things that completely wildly incorrect-

 

for one the ranger class is completely incorrectly accessed- decap druid is near unplayable and they say valk ranger, a build that has always struggled for viability due to pit teir team fighting as a “solid team fight build”

 

I get a feeling that the people behind this site are garbabissimo , before already knowing that at least half of them are in reality garbabissimo egotistical maniacs that have never done anything for the community besides rage

[apharma.3741]

A few things some of you might want to think about.

1. These sites are often maintained by people who work for a living, so while you're playing after you've finished work, feeding family, housekeeping etc they are working on these sites.

2. They are not being payed for this, they owe you nothing.

 

That doesn't mean you need to worship the ground they walk on but you might want to stop crying about the sites not being updated for a month.

[ManaPotato.3279]

If these sites are not showing meta builds, then what are?

[Azure The Heartless.3261]

3 hours ago, apharma.3741 said:

A few things some of you might want to think about.

1. These sites are often maintained by people who work for a living, so while you're playing after you've finished work, feeding family, housekeeping etc they are working on these sites.

2. They are not being payed for this, they owe you nothing.

 

That doesn't mean you need to worship the ground they walk on but you might want to stop crying about the sites not being updated for a month.

 

I don't know why this got a confused react, it's true.

 

These sites are made by fans of the game, some of which aren't even Arenanet partners, and they are often subject to the same biases everyone else is. 

 

They will probably not have up to date information or have their finger on the pulse of PVP to know exactly what is flavor of the month unless that data becomes obvious. 

 

Just take it with a grain of salt and use the site as it's supposed to be used: A launching point for your own ideas, rather than a catalog of what is the easiest to play at that particular point in time.

 

Or.. yknow, fund someone to do that for you. 

 

(Also, I'd rather these sites be painfully slow in updating, because things that make it to the metabattle site are often the first things to be pointed to when people want nerfs. It's better for the health of the game that people be forced to understand how the build works on their own and be able to critique it from that angle than to point to a metabattle build and whine until something is done about it. 

 

#Don'tsharebuilds)

Edited August 13, 2021 by Azure The Heartless.3261

[Azure The Heartless.3261]

double post

Edited August 13, 2021 by Azure The Heartless.3261

[RedAvenged.5217]

3 hours ago, Azure The Heartless.3261 said:

 

I don't know why this got a confused react, it's true.

 

These sites are made by fans of the game, some of which aren't even Arenanet partners, and they are often subject to the same biases everyone else is. 

 

They will probably not have up to date information or have their finger on the pulse of PVP to know exactly what is flavor of the month unless that data becomes obvious. 

 

Just take it with a grain of salt and use the site as it's supposed to be used: A launching point for your own ideas, rather than a catalog of what is the easiest to play at that particular point in time.

 

Or.. yknow, fund someone to do that for you. 

 

(Also, I'd rather these sites be painfully slow in updating, because things that make it to the metabattle site are often the first things to be pointed to when people want nerfs. It's better for the health of the game that people be forced to understand how the build works on their own and be able to critique it from that angle than to point to a metabattle build and whine until something is done about it. 

 

#Don'tsharebuilds)

Ehh metabattle spots are actually indeed payed positions so you 2 aren’t right on that.

 

these other sites are made by streamers, who do make money, and they treat it as a way to get more viewers- in fact one of the ppl who made those sites got denied a partner position on twitch because most of thei viewership came from these site

Edited August 13, 2021 by RedAvenged.5217

[Master Ketsu.4569]

Metabattle is semi-correct. It usually gets a trait or two wrong but for the most part the builds it lists get the gist of things.

 

The trick is realizing that "meta" just means the whims of the 'curators', which is obviously biased. Therefore there is no real difference between anything in the "META" and "GREAT" category. 

[apharma.3741]

3 hours ago, RedAvenged.5217 said:

Ehh metabattle spots are actually indeed payed positions so you 2 aren’t right on that.

 

these other sites are made by streamers, who do make money, and they treat it as a way to get more viewers- in fact one of the ppl who made those sites got denied a partner position on twitch because most of thei viewership came from these site

Put the tin foil hat down.

 

I do know the guy who made godsofpvp and he made almost nothing off the site compared to the work required to make and maintain it. 0 ads on the site and his sub count was never that high.

 

I hope you don't mean godsofpvp about being denied partner, it wasn't because of the site generating viewship, it was down to streamelements song request integration, as soon as he disabled it he was Twitch partner. If you had even bothered to visit the site you'd know this as there's no embed to his stream and there never was!

[Angeels.3269]

I never made money off of godsofpvp

 

I had one guy pay for one year, but seeing as it has been up for three, I'm still in the red on it.

 

It's not about making money off of it, I genuinely did it because I enjoyed the project.

 

There are lots of criticisms that could be leveled at these projects, but honestly if you don't like them, don't use them. No one needs that negativity in their lives, not gunna lie.