Meet the virtuoso

[Salt Mode.3780]

15 minutes ago, Yoci.2481 said:

I would say it's a pure PvE spec, but then the PvE people are telling me it's not that either. I'm not impressed with it, we will see what is salvageable.

The reason why its not a pure PvE spec is because the only thing that hits hard is a Elite that has a long CD as well as the condi aspect to this build is bleed which is the weakest of all the damaging condis.

[Xaylin.1860]

2 hours ago, Salt Mode.3780 said:

Literally a ranged core no clones less dmg, its everything anti-mesmer wants but nothing a mesmer main want.

You are right about the numbers but those are changed quite easily. I'm not worried about that. We just have to give feedback. And it will have to settle in after launch. 

 

However, I'm worried about the concept and the role of Virtuoso as well as it's interactions with Chrono and Mirage and Core. I do appretiate a cloneless playstyle even as a Mesmer main. I want it. But I don't want the clonelessness to be the only appealing thing about the e-spec. We simply don't need another e-spec that alienates everything else about the class.

[Artyport.2084]

3 hours ago, Salt Mode.3780 said:

Literally a ranged core no clones less dmg, its everything anti-mesmer wants but nothing a mesmer main want.

You need to stop pushing this narrative. Because you are clearly wrong. This spec is not what you want.. just say that.

as a Mesmer main.. I want this spec without clones and I’m happy for the range aspect. 
 

 

[Levetty.1279]

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As a Mesmer main I don't want to play Mesmer.

Sounds believable. 

[Lincolnbeard.1735]

As mesmer main since 2005 I want a cloneless spec.

Just not this one in which there are still clones, just not there physically, rebranded blades.

[draxynnic.3719]

On 8/16/2021 at 6:22 PM, Levetty.1279 said:

AFK in the PvP lobby I presume because you know nothing about how it works in PvE.

More ad hominems and No True Scotsman fallacy, I see. If this is the level you're resorting to, my conclusion is that you are unable to counter my points with logic and there is no value in engaging further.

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Name it, we will wait.

Blades instead of clones. You don't like it, but it IS a different mechanic.

Edited August 17, 2021 by draxynnic.3719
Fixed a spelling error

[Levetty.1279]

1 hour ago, draxynnic.3719 said:

More ad hominems and No True Scotman fallacy, I see. If this is the level you're resorting to, my conclusion is that you are unable to counter my points with logic and there is no value in engaging further.

Considering your level of arguments is claiming that Greatsword isn't good AoE because the damage is low followed by claiming Torch does good power AoE, you quite obviously don't have one.

1 hour ago, draxynnic.3719 said:

Blades instead of clones. You don't like it, but it IS a different mechanic.

Removing a mechanic is not a mechanic, it is a lack of one.

[Me Games Ma.3024]

@Levetty.1279

It's weird. I agree with you on almost anything regarding the virtuoso but I don't ubderstand how you can't see that blades are replacing clones. Clones have turned into blades. That's not a new mechanic true, but it is a replacement not a cut.

It's not that I'm happy with how clones are treated on virtuoso I've listed the major impacts of losing clones already on these forums. However I think that giving up on clones has its pros and cons which is why I see it as a replacement, not a cut. 

In my opinion a cut would be to completely lose the ability to stock up on shatter fodder.

 

Now while writing this I think I've realised what your point is: It's not about the fact that we have an ammunition for the shatters. It's about the fact that we lose out on clones and their utility, damage and other important features they provide. However there's always things that work less because of the spec you've chosen. Honestly I can only think of 2 very important clone features (for PvE): Attacking, which includes Sharper Images and stuff like staff AA, and body blocking projectiles.

 

I wonder if staff gets any attention for virtuoso but I doubt it...

 

Anyways I can now see where you're coming from. I still disagree though :P I think at this point it's a matter on how you'd define a replacement and a cut.

Imo blades replace clones.

[Axl.8924]

3 minutes ago, Me Games Ma.3024 said:

@Levetty.1279

It's weird. I agree with you on almost anything regarding the virtuoso but I don't ubderstand how you can't see that blades are replacing clones. Clones have turned into blades. That's not a new mechanic true, but it is a replacement not a cut.

It's not that I'm happy with how clones are treated on virtuoso I've listed the major impacts of losing clones already on these forums. However I think that giving up on clones has its pros and cons which is why I see it as a replacement, not a cut. 

In my opinion a cut would be to completely lose the ability to stock up on shatter fodder.

 

Now while writing this I think I've realised what your point is: It's not about the fact that we have an ammunition for the shatters. It's about the fact that we lose out on clones and their utility, damage and other important features they provide. However there's always things that work less because of the spec you've chosen. Honestly I can only think of 2 very important clone features (for PvE): Attacking, which includes Sharper Images and stuff like staff AA, and body blocking projectiles.

 

I wonder if staff gets any attention for virtuoso but I doubt it...

 

Anyways I can now see where you're coming from. I still disagree though 😛 I think at this point it's a matter on how you'd define a replacement and a cut.

Imo blades replace clones.

Well it looked as if you could get multiple blade charges, and there is a utility to recharge all blades instantly to shatter, but it doesn't look like it will be focusing primarily on shatters. I do hope they add ammunition to blade shatter thing, and maybe ammo reloader, as this migh help.

 

I also right now doubt they are focusing on staff for virtuoso, but maybe? you can try it out this afternoon.

Edited August 17, 2021 by Axl.8924

[Lincolnbeard.1735]

10 minutes ago, Axl.8924 said:

Well it looked as if you could get multiple blade charges, and there is a utility to recharge all blades instantly to shatter, but it doesn't look like it will be focusing primarily on shatters. I do hope they add ammunition to blade shatter thing, and maybe ammo reloader, as this migh help.

 

I also right now doubt they are focusing on staff for virtuoso, but maybe? you can try it out this afternoon.

That utility is awful. It is a channeling and has high CD. 

I'm pretty sure some people will meme it with mimic and/or with healing builds. But it is still a waste of a slot. 

[JazzXman.7018]

18 hours ago, phokus.8934 said:

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Clone

big thx ❤️

[Daniel Handler.4816]

1 hour ago, Lincolnbeard.1735 said:

That utility is awful. It is a channeling and has high CD. 

I'm pretty sure some people will meme it with mimic and/or with healing builds. But it is still a waste of a slot. 

You don't need to slot it. You can use it to get full blades ooc then swap to something else. 

[Axl.8924]

2 hours ago, Me Games Ma.3024 said:

@Levetty.1279

It's weird. I agree with you on almost anything regarding the virtuoso but I don't ubderstand how you can't see that blades are replacing clones. Clones have turned into blades. That's not a new mechanic true, but it is a replacement not a cut.

It's not that I'm happy with how clones are treated on virtuoso I've listed the major impacts of losing clones already on these forums. However I think that giving up on clones has its pros and cons which is why I see it as a replacement, not a cut. 

In my opinion a cut would be to completely lose the ability to stock up on shatter fodder.

 

Now while writing this I think I've realised what your point is: It's not about the fact that we have an ammunition for the shatters. It's about the fact that we lose out on clones and their utility, damage and other important features they provide. However there's always things that work less because of the spec you've chosen. Honestly I can only think of 2 very important clone features (for PvE): Attacking, which includes Sharper Images and stuff like staff AA, and body blocking projectiles.

 

I wonder if staff gets any attention for virtuoso but I doubt it...

 

Anyways I can now see where you're coming from. I still disagree though 😛 I think at this point it's a matter on how you'd define a replacement and a cut.

Imo blades replace clones.

 

We seen some utility, still don't know fully on what kind of stuff weapons have.

 

we have seen from the trailer that the dagger has mostly dps  and we seen that F5 i think it is has a block and f4 is a knockback, sorta reminds me of guardian type thing. Who knows how they will compensate as well in the future for virtuoso If needed. some stuff they showed goes beyond speculation, but the others who knows really.

Edited August 17, 2021 by Axl.8924

[Xaylin.1860]

26 minutes ago, Daniel Handler.4816 said:

You don't need to slot it. You can use it to get full blades ooc then swap to something else. 

I just had a Mantra-related epiphany. 🥴

[Salt Mode.3780]

6 hours ago, Artyport.2084 said:

You need to stop pushing this narrative. Because you are clearly wrong. This spec is not what you want.. just say that.

as a Mesmer main.. I want this spec without clones and I’m happy for the range aspect. 
 

 

There is a difference between going cloneless and this, clearly you cant tell the difference. I mean your already stated that you dont really care about logistics side of things as you only care for the visuals side of things. Just like how you clearly try to push "musical harp and flute" into this class which is your own narrative that not everyone wants is the same as not everyone wants cloneless get it?

 

[Artyport.2084]

53 minutes ago, Salt Mode.3780 said:

There is a difference between going cloneless and this, clearly you cant tell the difference. I mean your already stated that you dont really care about logistics side of things as you only care for the visuals side of things. Just like how you clearly try to push "musical harp and flute" into this class which is your own narrative that not everyone wants is the same as not everyone wants cloneless get it?

 

asking for musical themes in a virtuoso spec really isnt like crazy.. 

also i'm asking for it.

not being an elitist prick talking about how no mesmer main wants this or that like you have ownership of the classs.

[Salt Mode.3780]

6 hours ago, Artyport.2084 said:

asking for musical themes in a virtuoso spec really isnt like crazy.. 

also i'm asking for it.

not being an elitist prick talking about how no mesmer main wants this or that like you have ownership of the classs.

Lol alright I am an elitist prick but I dont ignore the problems that this class has and adding on new kitten that dont matter. Which you very well do at your own post by wanting to remove phantasms on Virtuoso even tho it shares weapon sets from Core, Mirage, and Chrono, and your very words are "Logistics of how they do it mean very little to me."

 

Not only do you not know the class enough to suggest new things you simply dont care and are ignorant, so yea I am an elitist prick to a class I am genuinely passionate for not just some doll to play dress up with, but at least I can say I'm not ignorant. 

Edited August 18, 2021 by Salt Mode.3780