Guild Wars 3 - Desires and Speculation

[Brother Dulfite.5793]

Hello all, I tried looking on the forum to see if there were any discussions on this but couldn't find any (granted, there were like 70,000 search items and I didn't look at them all). As excited as I am to return to Cantha (Factions was my first Gw game ever and my favorite), I am far more excited about the possibilities of a new game/engine built on modern code with modern features. I'd like us to discuss what things we'd like in the third full game in the series, if it comes at all (I don't know if they will have the money to make this game ever).

 

Here is a list below of some things I'd like to see in various categories:

Story/Setting
1) Make it based on Utopia. We've known this land has existed for years and it's time we got to explore it. Plus, being a new piece of land, it will not devalue GW2, so people can still play the old game to enjoy Tyria/Cantha/Elona. Having a new place or location will give us a fresh start.

 

2) Make the game centered around leaving the world of Tyria and going back to where humans came from in the first place. A whole new world to discover with new enemies. Perhaps the gods took races from that world to escape an unknown enemy (in addition to the reasons we do know about)?

 

3) I don't care what Anet says, Abaddon will only be dead-dead if Anet themselves is bankrupt and the ip dies with it. Abaddon was the best villain this series has ever had and I, and many others, are CONVINCED he is still alive. I firmly believe Kormir, when she absorbed his essence/power in Gw1 Nightfall, actually simply because possessed by Abaddon after he pretended to die (god of secrets, people). I want GW3 to be the revelation that Abaddon has been pulling the string all along in GW2 just like he did in all the GW1 games and the return of the best villain in the series.

Features
1) GW1 had an extremely divisive in-game culture with guilds/alliances. People would sabotage, make political moves, merge with co-leaders, and do all kinds of things to get ahead. I guess Anet viewed that as a bad thing, as GW2 has a much more chill Guild culture. The thing is, for those of us that particularly lived in the faction farming world of Cantha, we liked all the politics! GW3 shouldn't force that kind of gameplay, but there should be mode(s) of the game that allow that sort of thing to happen.
 

2) Not only public housing, but a map where you can see everyone's house on the same server. Make them generate only as you get closer to them, and let the map go on and on as you go through the list. You can instantly teleport to invitees homes, or just stumble around marveling at how people decorate their homes. 

 

3) Only have skins that are fitting to the world. GW2 has become a massive eyesore over the years because of all the people playing with absolutely ridiculous looking colors and skins. I'm not saying everyone has to role play, but it would be more appealing to a gamer like me if the only options of armor/weapon/mount skins were ones that look like they belong in the world in which I'm playing.

 

4) A WvW system based on guilds/alliances. Winner gets to claim a city, just like the Kurzick/Luxon days of old. Have the cities reward massive benefits (the better the city the better the benefits), provide exclusive access to content that you have to earn to get access to, put the guild/alliance logo on a map for bragging rights. Your guild/alliance has issues with another one, or thinks you can beat them to capture their city? You declare a challenge and fight over it. Obviously there needs to be something to lose for guilds/alliances that have little or nothing, so perhaps losing a challenge prevents you from doing another one for a month.

 

Technical

1) Don't start GW3 off with spaghetti code. GW2 runs poorly even on state-of-the-art equipment (compared to brand new games) because of how inefficient the code is. I know that can't be fixed without a MASSIVE coding operation and that's just unrealistic. So please, when you do GW3, do it the right way.

 

So that's my list for now, what would you like to see? 

[Dawdler.8521]

Full Dive support or dont bother.

[Goettel.4389]

Dreaming is good, but I doubt it will happen.

[Brother Dulfite.5793]

1 minute ago, Goettel.4389 said:

Dreaming is good, but I doubt it will happen.

I mean, at some point they can't do GW2 anymore, right? End of Dragons sounds a lot like the last expansion, personally. Not only does it have the word "End" in it, but it is ending the cycle that the entire second game is based upon. It would be weird to start a new narrative direction with a new enemy (not Elder Dragons) and not start also with a brand new game. Path of Fire, while focused on Balth, was about his goal of dealing with the dragons.

 

Aside from narrative reasons, financially it would make them more stable over the next decade to have a brand new game they can update than one 9+ years older. Many of the millions of GW2 players will be attracted to GW3, whereas GW2 has lust its luster to a lot of people despite new content because of how aged it looks and feels at this point.

[adormtil.1605]

This looks like the right place. So what about the difficulty should GW3 be easier or harder then this game. I feel that this game in among the hardest in terms of gameplay. I do not think any mmo made me die 1500 times in 8 years. Or any game for that matter.

[Goettel.4389]

6 minutes ago, Brother Dulfite.5793 said:

I mean, at some point they can't do GW2 anymore, right?

Taking into account ANet's humble size and finances, it seems unlikely heavy investments would be made that would split the current player base.

[adormtil.1605]

MMO do not seem like a good investment anymore

 

[Omega.6801]

No.

[genjonah.1253]

I am generally on board with these ideas. Go back to wherever the gods brought humanity from, see what secrets they had. To be honest I’d go even further with Abaddon- explore the thread put up at the end of LWS3, that he was martyred for trying to help. That he saw something, drove them away from something, back at their origin, that the other Five have been lying about/hiding

 

idk, really was upset with the direction the Six went in GW2, and frankly I was kinda on Balthazar’s side in some parts of his ideal (not personal power/glory and forcing the subservience of others to do it, but that standing and fighting to protect and flourish needed to happen)

[Keymaster.7362]

You should deffinitly rewatch the announcement lifestream from EoD. 

Colin Johnson said loud and clear this is not the end of GW2 and at least he beliefs the best part is still comming.

 

End of Dragon from GW2 is in the exact same spot as endwalker from FF14. 

Both are miles away from dying or a sequel.

This expasions will only end the current Story Plots (Elder dragons from GW2 and Zodiark in FF14).

So we can explore new Storys and new horizons in the games.

Edited August 12, 2021 by Keymaster.7362

[Goettel.4389]

One noticeable difference between FF14 and GW2 is that the former's combat is kitten. I guess not everyone skips story.

[Trejgon.9367]

14 minutes ago, Brother Dulfite.5793 said:

I mean, at some point they can't do GW2 anymore, right? End of Dragons sounds a lot like the last expansion, personally. Not only does it have the word "End" in it, but it is ending the cycle that the entire second game is based upon. It would be weird to start a new narrative direction with a new enemy (not Elder Dragons) and not start also with a brand new game. Path of Fire, while focused on Balth, was about his goal of dealing with the dragons.

 

Aside from narrative reasons, financially it would make them more stable over the next decade to have a brand new game they can update than one 9+ years older. Many of the millions of GW2 players will be attracted to GW3, whereas GW2 has lust its luster to a lot of people despite new content because of how aged it looks and feels at this point.

 

And at every single step AN takes all the unnecessary steps to go out of their way just to "clarify" EoD is not the end of GW2. Not to mention the work on porting the engine to DX11 - it is not kind of the work they would do if they were planning on the next game anywhere soon.

 

As for technical things you mention - it is perfectly possible to update the existing engine to the modern standards without having to develop new game for it.

 

Also, I highly doubt that NCSoft at this point would greenlight GW3....

[Gomes.5643]

I doubt that Anet will anytimes soon create a new MMO, as the market for that has declined quite rapibly in the last decade and they normally need quite the heavy investment early on. But maybe another type of game in the same universe? Like a single-player RPG with a coop function similar to Dragon Age Inquisiton?

 

At least that would go in the general direction GW1 was ....

Edited August 12, 2021 by Gomes.5643

[Astralporing.1957]

29 minutes ago, Brother Dulfite.5793 said:

I mean, at some point they can't do GW2 anymore, right?

WoW's still going. Sure, it seems to have a ton of problems recently, but none of them are tied to its age.

[Sigmoid.7082]

34 minutes ago, Brother Dulfite.5793 said:

I mean, at some point they can't do GW2 anymore, right? End of Dragons sounds a lot like the last expansion, personally. Not only does it have the word "End" in it, but it is ending the cycle that the entire second game is based upon. It would be weird to start a new narrative direction with a new enemy (not Elder Dragons) and not start also with a brand new game. Path of Fire, while focused on Balth, was about his goal of dealing with the dragons.

 

Aside from narrative reasons, financially it would make them more stable over the next decade to have a brand new game they can update than one 9+ years older. Many of the millions of GW2 players will be attracted to GW3, whereas GW2 has lust its luster to a lot of people despite new content because of how aged it looks and feels at this point.

How often does Anet have to come out and say Road isn't the end of the game for people to actually stop with threads like this? 

 

Also financially make more sense? You know what makes financial sense? Not cannibalising your own current IP on the hopes of future success. 

 

Plus the fact you found other threads using the search function but found no discussion like this means you didn't really search all that hard if I am honest. 

 

Be prepared for nothing but short answers. Since if you read the threads you actually found in your search you will find the long answers to all of this. 

 

Anyways : No. 

Edited August 12, 2021 by Sigmoid.7082

[Faridah.8431]

If such a thing happens, a true spiritual successor to GW1. GW2 has never been that and GW1 remains a rather unique experience that some of us wish got modernized and carried on. Personally would also love for it to explore completely new areas that GW1 and GW2 never touched. Don't even bother setting it up in Tyria (the continent, or at least the part of the continent we've been in both games), Cantha, or Elona.

 

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy GW2 as well.

Edited August 12, 2021 by Faridah.8431

[Danikat.8537]

I agree with everyone else, it's not going to happen any time soon (as in the next few years) so it's not worth talking about.

 

It's fine to talk about future storylines or locations you'd like to see, but that will be in GW2, not some hypothetical future game. For me that's actually one of the most interesting things about EoD. After this (and possibly the follow up LW season) they'll have rehashed all the areas we visited in GW1 and will almost certainly have to introduce something new. There's a lot of unexplored areas in Tyria and I'd really like to find out more about them.

 

In that sense a shift to anothe sequel would be disappointing with me because it just gives them an excuse to rehash the same areas all over again instead of doing something new.

Edited August 12, 2021 by Danikat.8537

[Brother Dulfite.5793]

46 minutes ago, Keymaster.7362 said:

You should deffinitly rewatch the announcement lifestream from EoD. 

Colin Johnson said loud and clear this is not the end of GW2 and at least he beliefs the best part is still comming.

 

End of Dragon from GW2 is in the exact same spot as endwalker from FF14. 

Both are miles away from dying or a sequel.

This expasions will only end the current Story Plots (Elder dragons from GW2 and Zodiark in FF14).

So we can explore new Storys and new horizons in the games.

I'd be fine with that if they could improve the game's optimization and visuals. The characters models, particularly on the humans, just look so old now it's off-putting. Other MMO's, such as Eve Online, have significantly improved visuals over the years. Is that possible with GW2? Seems like everything new that comes out looks like things that came out in 2012, but maybe I've played it so much for so long I just haven't noticed improvements?

[Brother Dulfite.5793]

45 minutes ago, Lord Trejgon.2809 said:

 

And at every single step AN takes all the unnecessary steps to go out of their way just to "clarify" EoD is not the end of GW2. Not to mention the work on porting the engine to DX11 - it is not kind of the work they would do if they were planning on the next game anywhere soon.

 

As for technical things you mention - it is perfectly possible to update the existing engine to the modern standards without having to develop new game for it.

 

Also, I highly doubt that NCSoft at this point would greenlight GW3....

So why don't they update it then? It looks, to me, the same visually as it did when GW2 launched. Back then it was very impressive looking, now it looks dated. If they haven't updated it at this point, why would we think it is possible they will in the future?

[Brother Dulfite.5793]

39 minutes ago, Gomes.5643 said:

I doubt that Anet will anytimes soon create a new MMO, as the market for that has declined quite rapibly in the last decade and they normally need quite the heavy investment early on. But maybe another type of game in the same universe? Like a single-player RPG with a coop function similar to Dragon Age Inquisiton?

 

At least that would go in the general direction GW1 was ....

Apparently 7 of the 10 most successful mobile games right now are MMO's, I just read that somewhere. I think if Anet makes GW3 playable not only on PC/consoles, but also mobile (without ruining the game for the PC/console crowd), they could tap into an even bigger market than they have been.

I would absolutely be supportive of single player AAA experiences as well, and if that's the only way to continue this game into the future with the kind of upgrades many of us want then so be it.

[Brother Dulfite.5793]

37 minutes ago, Astralporing.1957 said:

WoW's still going. Sure, it seems to have a ton of problems recently, but none of them are tied to its age.

WoW has a full on revolt going right now with people leaving in hordes for other games because of the lack of updates. Also, when you charge monthly, people tend to justify staying because they don't want to admit they have wasted money all these years on monthly subs.

[Faridah.8431]

6 minutes ago, Brother Dulfite.5793 said:

So why don't they update it then? It looks, to me, the same visually as it did when GW2 launched. Back then it was very impressive looking, now it looks dated. If they haven't updated it at this point, why would we think it is possible they will in the future?

They are upgrading the engine from DX9 to DX11 which is a huge undertaking and should enable more modern resource allocation and such (multi-core, etc.). Will that change the graphics as they are now? No, but as they optimize the game for DX11, should enable enhancements, revamps, and such in the future.

Edited August 12, 2021 by Faridah.8431

[LadyEden.7519]

1 hour ago, adormtil.1605 said:

MMO do not seem like a good investment anymore

 

😂 The same thing was said 10 years ago, and here we are.

 

@Brother Dulfite.5793, there have been tons of GW3 threads. They have led nowhere. Why not focus on what you would like to see in GW2 past-EoD? The game is not going to end with the next expansion, so it would be more productive to focus on something real rather than "dream" about something that might or might not happen in the far future.

[marielleberto.3865]

1 hour ago, Brother Dulfite.5793 said:

I mean, at some point they can't do GW2 anymore, right? End of Dragons sounds a lot like the last expansion, personally. Not only does it have the word "End" in it, but it is ending the cycle that the entire second game is based upon. It would be weird to start a new narrative direction with a new enemy (not Elder Dragons) and not start also with a brand new game. Path of Fire, while focused on Balth, was about his goal of dealing with the dragons.

 

Aside from narrative reasons, financially it would make them more stable over the next decade to have a brand new game they can update than one 9+ years older. Many of the millions of GW2 players will be attracted to GW3, whereas GW2 has lust its luster to a lot of people despite new content because of how aged it looks and feels at this point.

 

They have clearly stated that the "End" in the "End of Dragons" does NOT mean the end of GW2 and they have the best content still being developed. I think many aspects you are claiming that require an entirely new game can be incorporated somehow into GW2 and I'm sure Anet is working on some points you cited. 

[Astralporing.1957]

16 minutes ago, Brother Dulfite.5793 said:

WoW has a full on revolt going right now with people leaving in hordes for other games because of the lack of updates.

lack of updates, game changing in ways players didn't ask for, not listening to the community, bad dev attitude...

Again, nothing to do with how old the game is.