Ever going to address warrior?.

[Apolo.5942]

I mean beyond it being a bubble bot?

[Telgum.6071]

Anet doesn't like thief and warrior. Everything on guardian and ele, and thank god they have some shame and keep ele on a low profile to not make it absurdly broken.

[Fueki.4753]

As much as I like to play the profession, I doubt Warrior will ever get the attention it requires.

[kamikharzeeh.8016]

warrior is nice to play.... idk what is to address there?

 

thief only would finally need nerfs to stealth and attack speed, but yeah.

[LetoII.3782]

Sure is popular for such a consistent underperformer

[DanAlcedo.3281]

 

12 hours ago, kamikharzeeh.8016 said:

warrior is nice to play.... idk what is to address there?

 

thief only would finally need nerfs to stealth and attack speed, but yeah.

Warrior was fun to play until the 2015 Trait system revamp and for one week after the Feb 2020 patch. 

 

I miss the one week in 2020.... 

[Gotejjeken.1267]

What's the issue with warrior again? I see plenty of berserker's and spellbreaker's running around.  

[bLind.6278]

It's a meme profession at this point. It sucks for bag tagging and is basically just there for shoutheals and bubbles at this point.

 

It has no true place in a ZvZ fight. Havoc/skirmish/roaming is doable, but big fights are frustrating.

[choovanski.5462]

I mean, I get complaining about the class in PvP, but I have literally zero issues in WvW. zerging is fine on shout hammer, or zerker greatsword builds and you can play all sorts roaming.

 

like I'm not object to buffs, but I would never call warrior bad in WvW. sure it's mainly wanted for bubble and hammer boonrip in big fights, but you can play zerker builds too and they perform well- which is more than you can say for mesmer players who have to play minstrel chrono and nothing else for large scale.

 

uhh, so I guess I'm saying, if warrior needs love, then oh my goodness mesmer seriously needs love. let's hope they can play the new specialisation for DPS in groups kekw, or else we might have to rename the class to portal

Edited August 16, 2021 by choovanski.5462

[Fueki.4753]

2 hours ago, Gotejjeken.1267 said:

What's the issue with warrior again? I see plenty of berserker's and spellbreaker's running around.  

 

Its damage is subpar.

Its survivability is subpar (unless you build for nothing but survivability, but then your damage hardly scratches even Thieves).

Its Utilities are outshined by every other professions (except maybe Elementalist).

 

Its only benefits are the thematic (for those who like it) and its simplicity (which is most likely why many casuals are playing it).

I don't see banners or Spellbreaker's bubble as benefits. Those are are simply crutches that make them accepted in organized play.

Edited August 16, 2021 by Fueki.4753

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

4 hours ago, Fueki.4753 said:

 

Its damage is subpar.

Its survivability is subpar (unless you build for nothing but survivability, but then your damage hardly scratches even Thieves).

Its Utilities are outshined by every other professions (except maybe Elementalist).

 

Its only benefits are the thematic (for those who like it) and its simplicity (which is most likely why many casuals are playing it).

I don't see banners or Spellbreaker's bubble as benefits. Those are are simply crutches that make them accepted in organized play.

This.

 

Warrior is and always will be a stat check. Feb2020 lowered the bar for that stat check.

[displayname.8315]

Yeah this is GW2 guys every class needs to be unkillable, top cleanses, top heals, top boonrip, top DPS,  buffbot.

 

And if metaboy websites don't have a build that fits your playstyle then it must not exist.  Don't make builds yourself the internet told you not to.

 

 

[kamikharzeeh.8016]

in meleeblobs, 1-2 zerkers can absolutely wreck havoc on dmg, if well supported. it has some cool options to do nice dmg, while having still a lot 2nd weaponset mobility possible. surely, squishier than ranger and theif even on this spec

 

and spellbreaker... #bubbleup is and was the meta for probably since it got introduced. perfect bubbletrains still are insanely good for winning fights fast and just training through groups bigger than yours. outside of the no-projectiles, u have the minor boonrip and the big PANIC of enemies once bubbles go up. especially synchronized ones.

 

and the spellbreaker spec is pretty bulky.

 

and even for roaming, also cc-chaining core warriors aren't that bad i think.

[solemn.9608]

On 8/14/2021 at 11:08 PM, Telgum.6071 said:

Anet doesn't like thief and warrior. Everything on guardian and ele, and thank god they have some shame and keep ele on a low profile to not make it absurdly broken.

This is what thief main bias looks like

Utterly unbelievable 😹

Edited August 18, 2021 by solemn.9608
And yeah please give warrior some love

[Telgum.6071]

20 minutes ago, solemn.9608 said:

This is what thief main bias looks like

Utterly unbelievable 😹

If you think my comment is thief bias, you should take a look at the thief subforum right now, people crying because of the leaked weapond saying that thief needs another dps elite.

[solemn.9608]

3 minutes ago, Telgum.6071 said:

If you think my comment is thief bias, you should take a look at the thief subforum right now, people crying because of the leaked weapond saying that thief needs another dps elite.

Lol fair enough man

On a similar note I'm actually excited for scepter thief, maybe it will play somewhat like FA scepter ele?

 

[subversiontwo.7501]

This is one of those typical disconnected forum threads that has more to do with lazy norms than actual possibility.

 

For larger-scale WvW, the best groups use Warriors on damage builds. If you are not able or allowed to it means that someone in the equation is wrong or bad. A commander may assume that you are not experienced enough, whether that is right or wrong. The commander itself may not be experienced enough to know better. That the best groups do should be enough evidence for you that it is at the very least decent enough. It would be in a far worse place if they didn't.

 

For smaller-scale WvW it is a more complicated matter. That has more to do with how smaller-scale meta works. It is just far less balanced overall. Some things do not work, other things work and some things are just ridiculously overblown. For the Warrior, it has definitely been kicked off the ridiculously overblown crew - so one can understand relative disappointment when it got slammed while others were allowed to stay ridiculous. However, it has also ended up in a better balance if we overlook the overblown outliers and it has new ways to play beyond the good old stun-and-burst.

 

Edited August 19, 2021 by subversiontwo.7501

[Lan Deathrider.5910]

1 hour ago, subversiontwo.7501 said:

This is one of those typical disconnected forum threads that has more to do with lazy norms than actual possibility.

 

For larger-scale WvW, the best groups use Warriors on damage builds. If you are not able or allowed to it means that someone in the equation is wrong or bad. A commander may assume that you are not experienced enough, whether that is right or wrong. The commander itself may not be experienced enough to know better. That the best groups do should be enough evidence for you that it is at the very least decent enough. It would be in a far worse place if they didn't.

 

For smaller-scale WvW it is a more complicated matter. That has more to do with how smaller-scale meta works. It is just far less balanced overall. Some things do not work, other things work and some things are just ridiculously overblown. For the Warrior, it has definitely been kicked off the ridiculously overblown crew - so one can understand relative disappointment when it got slammed while others were allowed to stay ridiculous. However, it has also ended up in a better balance if we overlook the overblown outliers and it has new ways to play beyond the good old stun-and-burst.

 

Overblown outliers encompasses at least 7 of the other 8 classes.

[Sleepwalker.1398]

OP...spare a thought for entire Mes class.

Aside from commander and boon strip, it's got nothing else cos every other class do Mes things way better.

[Grand Marshal.4098]

People getting confused lemme lay it down for you:

 

1) We got 2 movement skills which are evades. 1 on a weapon, 1 on a skill. Compare this to the likes of other roamers like Rev, Mesmer, Ele, Thief, Ranger and you'll see what's off about it. 

2) The high vit/high tough baseline setup on warrior although it's the reason behind the lack of active defenses, is actually a big downside as most times that extra vit/tough offers no advantage whatsoever. With that 2012 tradeoff mindset warrior is stuck with less defensive options in a very strong, 2 expac-almost 3, world with power creep over the years. Warrior reflects that with its own specs too though. 

3) Berserker cannot be run in a zerg without a support, if someone wants to speak about a decent dps. As a roamer it's even tougher to manage despite going full defensive with its traits. The mechanic is simply too punishing at times. The dmg is decent, but the primal burst nerfs have made sure for a double arc divider to be barely able to kill a glass ele from 100 to downed. 

4) Spellbreaker suffers from being overliant to the bubble in zergs (albeit a good feature) but it's boonstrip falls short on encounters where no support is present. Roamers don't even choose to fight based on Boon strip traits. 

5) Defense and Arms are 2 forgotten trait lines with subpar traits, high CD traits and useless traits/synergies. Defy Pain, Last Stand, Opportunist, Dual Wielding (clown Grandmaster in an Era where everyone farts quickness) etc. We proc a condi dmg reduction Boon on being critt'ed. Tell me how that's not brain dead. 10% overall dmg redu on reso cannot save you lol. 

6) We have a massive pool of unusable skills. Physicals outside Bull's Charge, banners, rage skills, meditations outside boonstrip ones which are a must have in zergs, the worst stances in the game. Only balanced stance is a decent stance, the stance heal has plenty of counterplay and the other 3 are jokes, endure pain less so than frenzy and Zerker stance. 

7) We relied on resistance to deal dmg on condi bombs. Now that old resistance is gone we suffer the most than any other class outside condi Rev, which with tormenting runes was already a joke and obnoxious build with 10 times the sustain of a Might pump warrior and twice the effective dmg. 

 

This is warrior. You can play it yes. But it's restricted to very specific playstyle despite trying everything with different specs. You get outpaced, you are not as evasive, you get outranged, you get you active defenses (shield) nullified by the likes of thieves, you have no means of surviving a condi bomb for 3 seconds anymore etc. 

 

Ah and yes. We got 4 weapons and multiple skills that no longer do damage, counting an elite which strips our stability to deal extra dmg times 0.

[Sleepwalker.1398]

48 minutes ago, Grand Marshal.4098 said:

The dmg is decent, but the primal burst nerfs have made sure for a double arc divider to be barely able to kill a glass ele from 100 to downed. 

 

Hmm....and you been playing Warrior for how long?

Edited August 19, 2021 by Sleepwalker.1398

[Grand Marshal.4098]

11 minutes ago, Sleepwalker.1398 said:

Hmm....and you been playing Warrior for how long?

3 years. Arc divider hits like a wet noodle nowadays. Decapitate is faaaar more reliable cleave. 

 

Edit: before you come and say l2p you spout nonsense, Fury, 25 might with a perfect blood reckoning combo for a double arc divider is almost impossible if fighting in a skirmish. It can happen and can down people but the point is to say that a random encounter and a moderetaly buffed warrior doesn't do much.

 

 

Edited August 19, 2021 by Grand Marshal.4098

[Sleepwalker.1398]

2 hours ago, Grand Marshal.4098 said:

3 years. Arc divider hits like a wet noodle nowadays. Decapitate is faaaar more reliable cleave. 

 

Edit: before you come and say l2p you spout nonsense, Fury, 25 might with a perfect blood reckoning combo for a double arc divider is almost impossible if fighting in a skirmish. It can happen and can down people but the point is to say that a random encounter and a moderetaly buffed warrior doesn't do much.

 

 

I love marauder scepter ele/tempest play style and i can tell you that if all my skills are on cooldown, i certainly would not want to be standing in the middle of an Arc Divider.

And here you are talking about a glass ele being hit with 2 Arc Dividers and say it hits like a wet noodle.

 

 

[Grand Marshal.4098]

1 minute ago, Sleepwalker.1398 said:

I love marauder scepter ele/tempest play style and i can tell you that if all my skills are on cooldown, i certainly would not want to be standing in the middle of an Arc Divider.

And here you are talking about a glass ele being hit with 2 Arc Dividers and say it hits like a wet noodle.

 

 

Well ofc you don't want to get hit by it. I don't disagree. What I mean is, over the course of the triple hit that is arc divider with the extremely rare occurrence of being at max might and Fury, with no weakness on you, it hits hard asf. But for the roaming scene, especially the solo one, where weakness applying is more easy and less cleanse-able, you won't find the primal hit for nearly as much as a full power arcing slice on spellbreaker or a T2 and T3 Core warrior burst. 

[Hotride.2187]

14 hours ago, subversiontwo.7501 said:

For larger-scale WvW, the best groups use Warriors on damage builds. If you are not able or allowed to it means that someone in the equation is wrong or bad. A commander may assume that you are not experienced enough, whether that is right or wrong. The commander itself may not be experienced enough to know better. That the best groups do should be enough evidence for you that it is at the very least decent enough. It would be in a far worse place if they didn't.

Thats funny, I've only ever seen bubble warriors (or even, just a bubble warrior) when the commanders had enough to pick from. But I'm sure the commanders were wrong and bad (and not great commanders I'd join almost always if able).

Edited August 19, 2021 by Hotride.2187