Help with open world weaver build

[ManaPotato.3279]

I am trying to create condition weaver build for open world based on this metabattle one. I would like it to hit hard, yet still have survivability.

 

However, I am quite confused by contradictory mess that build page spouts.

 

Thus, I gathered what I could from that page and considered my options here: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PGgAw2lZwmYSsLmJOqOmvbA-zRJUmRDfhgKnQCEYBo5A-e

 

So what Im wondering is:

 

• If I don't use Superior Elements, that means not enough crit. Therefore, Superior sigil of Strength on sword is a waste and I should replace it with something else?
• Since I don't have enough crit, should I replace Signet of Fire with stone resonance?
• If Signet of Fire is replaced, then it makes sense to use Diamond Skin instead of Written in stone?
• Should I use Earth or Arcane specialisation tree?

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated! 🙂

Edited August 15, 2021 by ManaPotato.3279

[Zhaid Zhem.6508]

1 hour ago, ManaPotato.3279 said:

• If I don't use Superior Elements, that means not enough crit. Therefore, Superior sigil of Strength on sword is a waste and I should replace it with something else?
• Since I don't have enough crit, should I replace Signet of Fire with stone resonance?
• If Signet of Fire is replaced, then it makes sense to use Diamond Skin instead of Written in stone?
• Should I use Earth or Arcane specialisation tree?

 

1) You don't really care about crit chance, as your Damages will come from Burning, and bleeding, and elem have no condi application on crit  edit* without ICD to justify high precision.

Power/precision is strong in group content or to kill common mobs fast; otherwise in condi builds, in Open World, it is negligeable. Take the vitality trait to improve your bulk.

2) Signet of fire is strong not for the passive, but for the active effect, in condi build. Keep the skill, use it on foes.

3) cf 2). Diamond skin is a false good trait, because it asks you to stay in earth element; but you don't want to stay in this element because it sucks for DPS and mobility. Edit* oops wrong trait but still, generaly if you're full of condi, you're under 75% life. It's a good trait for Competitive modes when you gear with toughness/vitality, otherwise you should improve your sustain with others traits and skills and keep the signet trait.

4) both are great. I prefer Arcane because of swiftness and burst / evade combo, and because I play Grieving; but earth is more condi damage overall and some damage mitigation

 

( 5) ) If you're scared about your survivability of course you can change a skill for Stone Resonance, or Armor of Earth etc; but you can also build with Trailblazer or CelestiaL. As your "strike" damage will relatively be low and negligeable.

 

Edited August 15, 2021 by Zhaid Zhem.6508

[ManaPotato.3279]

45 minutes ago, Zhaid Zhem.6508 said:

 

1) You don't really care about crit chance, as your Damages will come from Burning, and bleeding, and elem have no condi application on crit  edit* without ICD to justify high precision.

Power/precision is strong in group content or to kill common mobs fast; otherwise in condi builds, in Open World, it is negligeable. Take the vitality trait to improve your bulk.

2) Signet of fire is strong not for the passive, but for the active effect, in condi build. Keep the skill, use it on foes.

3) cf 2). Diamond skin is a false good trait, because it asks you to stay in earth element; but you don't want to stay in this element because it sucks for DPS and mobility. Edit* oops wrong trait but still, generaly if you're full of condi, you're under 75% life. It's a good trait for Competitive modes when you gear with toughness/vitality, otherwise you should improve your sustain with others traits and skills and keep the signet trait.

4) both are great. I prefer Arcane because of swiftness and burst / evade combo, and because I play Grieving; but earth is more condi damage overall and some damage mitigation

 

( 5) ) If you're scared about your survivability of course you can change a skill for Stone Resonance, or Armor of Earth etc; but you can also build with Trailblazer or CelestiaL. As your "strike" damage will relatively be low and negligeable.

 

Thanks a lot! I decided to go with Trailblazer gear and replace Glyph of Elemental Power with Twist of Fate while keeping Signet of Fire.

[AliamRationem.5172]

Two builds I would recommend for condi weaver open world:

 

Celestial Fire/Arcane

Trailblazer Fire/Earth

 

The Trailblazer build is easier to play because it relies more on passive sustain via toughness.  It also deals better damage.  The Celestial build relies more on evasion and healing for sustain.  It can potentially survive encounters that the Trailblazer build struggles with, but requires better movement, positioning, and timing to do so and is a bit more difficult to play as a result.

 

Here are a couple of video examples of the two builds in action:

 

Celestial Weaver Forged Maverick bounty solo

Trailblazer Weaver avatar of Balthazar solo

 

In the Trailblazer video I purposefully don't dodge, heal, or rotate to water.  I'm able to shrug off hits even from a heavy-hitter like Balthazar's avatar while focusing on dealing damage.  However, in the bounty solo video you can see there is much more going on, including tons of CC from the boss and the many additional enemies that are present.  Tanking as a strategy wouldn't work as well here, but the evasion and healing on the Celestial build work out nicely.

 

Edit:  I also wanted to note that if you are interested in WvW roaming using sword weaver, the Celestial Arcane build is the better choice for that.  Not only is evasion and healing a much better defensive strategy than tanking in competitive play, but power damage is relatively more useful because your window of opportunity to deal damage is smaller and opponents will cleanse much of your condition damage.

 

Edited August 15, 2021 by AliamRationem.5172

[ManaPotato.3279]

4 minutes ago, AliamRationem.5172 said:

Two builds I would recommend for condi weaver open world:

 

Celestial Fire/Arcane

Trailblazer Fire/Earth

 

The Trailblazer build is easier to play because it relies more on passive sustain via toughness.  It also deals better damage.  The Celestial build relies more on evasion and healing for sustain.  It can potentially survive encounters that the Trailblazer build struggles with, but requires better movement, positioning, and timing to do so and is a bit more difficult to play as a result.

 

Here are a couple of video examples of the two builds in action:

 

Celestial Weaver Forged Maverick bounty solo

Trailblazer Weaver avatar of Balthazar solo

 

In the Trailblazer video I purposefully don't dodge, heal, or rotate to water.  I'm able to shrug off hits even from a heavy-hitter like Balthazar's avatar while focusing on dealing damage.  However, in the bounty solo video you can see there is much more going on, including tons of CC from the boss and the many additional enemies that are present.  Tanking as a strategy wouldn't work as well here, but the evasion and healing on the Celestial build work out nicely.

 

 

Saw this vid too: Guild Wars 2: Beginner Guide on Solo Open World Condition Weaver Skill Orders - YouTube

 

He builds trailblazer different than you. What do you think about his way of building?

[AliamRationem.5172]

2 minutes ago, ManaPotato.3279 said:

Saw this vid too: Guild Wars 2: Beginner Guide on Solo Open World Condition Weaver Skill Orders - YouTube

 

He builds trailblazer different than you. What do you think about his way of building?

 

The differences aren't significant for the most part.  Neither vitality nor weakness application are particularly helpful for this build.  I take Diamond Skin over Written in Stone because I don't have much condition cleanse in the build otherwise and would sometimes have to run cleansing sigil for condi-heavy fights if I didn't.  I also prefer the extra condition damage to barrier on dodge because I don't dodge as much with this build, but it's only 5% additional damage so it's not going to make or break the build.

[ManaPotato.3279]

7 minutes ago, AliamRationem.5172 said:

 

The differences aren't significant for the most part.  Neither vitality nor weakness application are particularly helpful for this build.  I take Diamond Skin over Written in Stone because I don't have much condition cleanse in the build otherwise and would sometimes have to run cleansing sigil for condi-heavy fights if I didn't.  I also prefer the extra condition damage to barrier on dodge because I don't dodge as much with this build, but it's only 5% additional damage so it's not going to make or break the build.

MVP 😄 Cheers for all the help! 

[Sifu.9745]

If you play Celestial Weaver you should get as much crit as possible, otherwise your Ferocity and Precision stats would get wasted. 50% would be minimal. I have 54% base crit (74% with Fury) with Signet of Fire and Superior Sigil of Accuracy (7% crit).  All you need then is Superior Sigil of Earth and Superior rune of Divinity. Fire/Arcane/Weaver, Sword/Dagger for max dmg and Sword/Focus for a little bit more defensive playstyle and you are ready to go:) Without enough crit you will be forced to rotate between Fire and Earth mostly, which is not fun at all. With enough crit your rotation goes through all 4 attunements or at least Fire, Air and Earth most of the time. You can get some nice crit dmg form Air and fire auto attacks and some of the dual attacks.

 

If you dislike crit you should avoid celestial armor and focus on Trailblazer armor.

Edited August 17, 2021 by Sifu.9745

[Sunshine.5014]

I'd suggest Trailblazer for Open World solo 🙂

[vardeleanu.8972]

Looks like the gods heard your request, potato. You can now hit hard, yet still have survivability on every weaver build in PvE. 

Can you please request conjure changes next ? who knows, someone might listen 

[Sunshine.5014]

40 minutes ago, vardeleanu.8972 said:

Looks like the gods heard your request, potato. You can now hit hard, yet still have survivability on every weaver build in PvE. 

Can you please request conjure changes next ? who knows, someone might listen 

 

You need to get CMC thirsty before he buffs our class 😉