[backstab is trash, buff it]

On 9/11/2020 at 8:24 AM, Broady.2358 said:

As a Thief main, Backstab is perfectly fine and currently very powerful! It is an attack which is hard to counter as it is delivered from Stealth. On average it will hit for 3-4k (sometimes more) unless going up against something with high toughness.

The key is to remember the role of Thief. It is a roamer and +1, not a duellist. Dropping 4k from Stealth in combination with a team mate's burst along with CC from Basilisk Venom will bring them down to below 50% health usually allowing for you to get the most out of Heartseeker spam which is usually around 5-6k per Heartseeker.

If you think Thief's damage is low, you're playing it wrong.

lol ur literally saying thief isnt worth kitten to 1v1, even tho in all mmos rogues are kings of 1v1s, 4k LMAO my war hits  8-10k on the gs f1 constantly and I can tank the kitten out of ppl with spellbreaker and a thief can do 4k dmg in thier most dmging skill its a joke, but what can you expect the community made thief a +1 and decap bot thanks god I quit play thief 

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On 12/30/2021 at 1:36 PM, TheQuickFox.3826 said:

Details and limitations here:

https://help.guildwars2.com/hc/en-us/articles/201862768-Refunds

 

Never chargeback the money via your bank or payment provider because this will cause problems with your account like an account ban and/or an in-game store ban.

Also, please note that the expansion will bring you much more than just some elite specializations. If you enjoy your current thief character/build/spec you can keep playing that without any limitation through EoD and enjoy all new content. Also, EoD will be required to get future living world content. If that is worth the purchase is completely up-to-you.

I will just continue to play my Elementalist as Tempest because I just like Tempest and Catalyst does not look too interesting to me. But I will surely enjoy the upcoming expansion maps, story, achievements and masteries so my pre-order will stay.

yea I ended up keeping it, willbender bladesworn and cata were really fun, I just deleted my thief since they guted the sustain on IP to force specter and I like to solo group content and I dont play condi. But EOD was great 

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On 12/30/2021 at 9:45 PM, Infusion.7149 said:

Eh not a wise choice considering specter is slated to be quite strong in all modes.

why would I want to play necro on my thief? idc if its any good, the idea sucks 

[Invigorating precision nerf made it useless]

On 3/20/2022 at 3:26 AM, LadyKitty.6120 said:

Everyone here talking about Vault while it is mainly an evasion (if you time it properly) with some damage (staff 2 hits a lot harder) and most of all, if you're playing open-world, DD isn't exactly the best for soloing any stronger enemies since it 1. fights in melee and 2. has horrible self-boon capability.

If you want to solo champs, you're a LOT better off with Power Pistol+Pistol Deadeye which is still really strong since it can keep up plenty of boon on itself with M7 traited while kiting the enemies to avoid getting hit to begin with. Invigorating Precision fills the health pool if you somehow get hit. If you need to cleave normal mobs, you can just use Sword+Pistol as 2nd weapon set and spam Pistol Whip which has both single-target daze and evade (similar to mesmer's Blurred Frenzy) built-in and you also the damage you take during Stealth Attack (to reset Malice with M7 traited) and Pistol Whip's initial hit gets healed during Pistol Whip's evade part's hits.

For Daredevil, IP is mostly good for godmode on top of boons and some heals from supports in squad now that it got nerfed and ofc it's kinda useless for Specter but that spec has good self-heal thru Consume Shadows anyway. But since both kinda need a booner, they're best in squad content while Deadeye shines soloing.

I'm pretty sure everyone knows u can play braindead pp DE or condi d/d DD, but at least for me they are boring as heal. Staff DD wasnt the best for soloing group stuff but u could and its fun as hell with IP and now u just cant anymore cause the devs need to push wallmart necro and condi on thief 

[Invigorating precision nerf made it useless]

On 3/23/2022 at 7:47 PM, Einlanzer.1627 said:

 

Or you could wear something besides berserker lol. People chronically understate the efficacy of Vitality, Toughness, and HP to a lesser extent in PvE.  A bit of Toughness/Vitality coming from sets like Valk and Marauder helps the flow of combat quite a bit when it comes to more difficult fights. 

Have u ever tried to solo dungeons (group content in general)? And I used marauders anyways, the 6% heal against the dmg champions and legendaries do is nothing and u will eventually get hit its a long fight, the only way it can "work" is it having a bunch of enemies for u to vault on. Thief still has one of the lowest hp pools in the game (and thats fine if u had ways to counter that like guardian sustain) , the only ppl that were being braindead with IP were ppl in meta events, and why would u care about them? Why cant I play a high risk high reward on thief? nerf it down to 13% but not 6% my vaults do like 7-9k ea soo thats less than a 540 heal per vault. What bothers me the most is that IP wasnt even the meta trait, it is still no quarter. Again they only did that to push condi specs and wallmart necro. I can still solo everything on my VIPER condi d/d DD or DE, and viper is as greedy as zerk lol  and I can even go more braindead on condi and throw a full trailblazer since I dont need power, precision and ferocity that much anyways but I can be greedy on condi cause its an evade spam with good sustain unlike power thief with the 70% nerf to IP. They destroyed power thief for soloing group content at least as a melee, I think u can still braindead DE rifle but I dont know since I would never touch that or pistol pistol or whatever that new purple necro is. And theres warrior, I run full cavalier have a kitten load of toughness and I still do 80k+ with the 100% crit trait on dragon slahes and thats a 6k heal every 8 secs, with 3 charges of my healing skill with the ult and I have 19k+ with no vit stacking, I have almost 17k on my MARAUDER THIEF with cavalier and knight trinkets rn cause Im trying to make this work cause I played condi D/D for 3 days I wanted to die cause its boring af, the rotation is just 333333333333333 dodge 333333333 dodge weapon swap 333333333333333333 dodge 

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On 3/12/2022 at 2:04 PM, borgs.6103 said:

Its still good. It was over-the-top before on mobs. I don't notice the nerf at all on open world events and whatnot. 

It is pretty noticeable though on story boss fights where I now press my heal button sometimes instead of never. 

see thats why we cant have nice things, story content was never hard? and was never meant to be hard? the problem with the 70% nerf is for those of us who actually try to beat the hard content alone, if u are fighting a champ or a leg healing 600 or ur vault and he does 50%-60% of your hp when he hits u, ur basically healing nothing and u will die like a kitten, at this point is either play condi thief or specter and I will die b4 touching wanna be necro but purple soo sadly I had to swap to some braindead condi build 

[State of thief in PvE]

On 3/12/2022 at 5:08 AM, crazyhusky.2985 said:

Lol, Do you really think they would base a whole elite spec off of a post made a year before they announced an Expansion.

Thief was the only class in the game to not have any proper form of support.

So naturally they gave it one. Now, every class has form of support. They have been wanting to diversify the roles between classes for a while.

lol a support necro you mean? cause the scepter game play is just a walmart necro, yea I belive anet would do anything to kitten thief up, they hate thief soo much they turned the new spec into a necromancer and nerfed both dd and de, oh yes what I always wanted casted tps on thief and wells OHH THATS SOO GREAT AND SCEPTER I GET TO USE A SCEPTER AS THIEF, thats soo cool! all specter tps can be interrupted in pvp, u just pistol 4 and boom no tp, oh nicee I have shourd now but wait why dont I just play reaper or scourge then, shut up we are diversifying, thats soo new even the animations are not reused assets oh wait they are, literally a necro but purple, and another thing rogues were always the glass canons why would pick thief to play support?????? it doesnt make sense 

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On 3/7/2022 at 2:47 PM, Nimbus Nomad.1237 said:

I've been running invigorating precisions with signet heal in openworld content and it's far from useless. Maybe it's the signet heal doing most of the work, but regardless you are still virtually unkillable in solo/open world content(including hero point challenges) with this combo. 

I belive we are talking about soling actual stuff not hp (expect some hot ones like balthazar) , anything can solo hps, soloing dungeons and legs with a 70% cut on the sustain is terrible, its literally better to just quit the class and play some other class or just quit the game

[How can you play thief? No uniqueness, every other class does things better]

On 4/15/2021 at 6:49 AM, Eventine.8024 said:

How can I play thief in PvP? (excluding p/p spamming condi build which I don't like, because I think that "spam builds" are really bad for a competitive game)Thief doesn't have anymore any particular capabilities, and evry class does things better:Takes Ranger for example, they have better stealth, better damge, more life and healing, stab (thief has literally 0 stab), more stun, more ranged pressure, etc. (and the 2 of the longbow that hits everywehre and hits also stealth people or dodging ppl, etc. nice bug) - and more than thief they have all the ranger stuff, like pets.Take necros: they have tons of damage, and ton of life, and ton of conditions, and now also a good amount of "shadowstep teleporting" and mobility.How can someone play thief?The shortbow is so nerfed is useless but the skill 5 (which got nerfed too), and sometimes 4 to interrupt.The steal skills are almost useless most of the time.The damage is good if u go glass cannon, but then u are paper thin, have zero sustain nor condi clense, and no stab or proper life or healing.The "perma evading build" is stil ok, but the healing is kitten nerfed and the damage is bad, and the Revenants do a way better job at the "holding with healing" build.Can you tell me how you play thief, and why you don't play any other class that does the same things but better than thief? (I'm asking cuz I love thief and want to play it, ofc)And why arenanet keeps doing stuff like this?

Eventine

cause they hate thief, even now the new elite spec is just a way to make thief play like necro 🙂 but thief and war are still the only 2 fun classes to play anyways maybe on gw3 thief will actually play like a rogue 

[[Survey] Worst class in the game after last patch?]

On 6/3/2020 at 11:28 PM, Chaarliee.2307 said:

Why the kitten thief has more votes. That class dominates in PvP, and in PvE. Warrior is the more screw class atm, garbage damage, and ok sustain at best.

? I can solo legs and dungeons easily on my power warrior, while my power thief struggles to kill hot champions cause u die in 1 shots and backstabs do 10k max  and u have 13k hp and no more sustain with the new nerf 

[State of thief in PvE]

On 7/1/2020 at 3:31 AM, crazyhusky.2985 said:

I do agree Thief lacks anything that would help it out in the PvE enviornement. You really have to trait into it and even then most classes can do the job better.AoEs and support would be nice but that goes against the whole design idea for thief, the sneaky jump in kill and jump out.It is pretty much a PvP and a 1v1 class.

Shealth is not useful in a PvE environment where the mobs/bosses kinda cheats and is still kind locked on to you, it doesn't help against fights or raids either.

In WvW theives are more of an annoyance rather helping.Against them, They just annoy groups and picking off randoms. Thats not fun. Watching a thief follow your then shealth and run away when you turn around.The whole perma shealthing in the towers and keeps just wastes time. It wouldn't be so bad but A-Net for some reason gave theives portals. Why?When they are on your side, you kinda don't want them there, because you want a class/spec that can contribute group/zerg effectively.You don't get access to much to help out, The only form of Stability theives get is a stolen skill but they need find a mesmar.

Personally I think thief needs something else to make it more useful to help it support people.Get rid of the Thief Traps, (Preparations) there wasn't a point of redoing them, since they are a bit subpar are just annoying to use, also they feel VERY situational.When you use a Preparation and you have to wait 3 secs into order to use it, so if you're in a fight and the foe sees you place it, the foe will move out or away from it and aviod it, Unlike Ranger and Dragonhunter Traps which go off instantly.

What they should do is.Replace the traps (Preparations) with Shouts. This way thief has a way to give boons allies, Furthemore it still keeps thief mobile like they should be.Give it 2 boon shouts and 1 or 2 condition based shout, With one of these shouts being an AoE reveal, with another being able to clear 1 or 2 conditions.I feel like this would help thief in the PvE a lot.

soo the whole support thief shinnegans was made by a salty guardian main what were the odds, thank you anet! Now we have sPeCtEr

[Invigorating precision nerf made it useless]

8 minutes ago, Nawrotex.9521 said:

I think you missed that all of profession's sustain traits got heavily nerfed in recent patch notes not only thief's.

idk dude hitting 70-80k on my dragons slashes and healing for 8% soo 6.4k - 4.8k heal every 8 seconds with 2.2k toughness seem to disagree with that + the 2 stacks of combat stimulant + the extra charge from the ultimate, idk about the other classes since they are boring af and I only play warrior and thief, but the last time I saw an fb, reaper and condi rev it was pretty dumb to play solo group content, still doesnt change the fact that nerfing a trait that isnt even meta doesnt make any sense, anet just like to push 1 iq condi builds and the sub par new specs like walmart necro 

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On 3/5/2022 at 9:33 AM, Nawrotex.9521 said:

That trait was broken not useful and I'm saying this as Thief main. 20% healing on-hit without any internal cd was definitely overpowered and needed significant nerf. Thief's sustain and tankiness comes from active evading and reacting and shouldn't be fully depended on one trait. Given that you could just Vault/Dagger Storm on 5 targets and instantly heals + 50% of hp was absurd. 

Well nerfing it from 20% to 6% is a significant hit but I suppose they've done math thus it still will be useful in certain situations.

???????????????????????????????????????? soo are u just ignoring that all of the other class are way more op than thief with or without this trait???????????? kitten I can solo legs easy on my power warrior, firebrand?????? u are literally unkillable? condi rev?????? Like what even is ur point soo u think all the other classes should be nerfed into oblivion right? Power reaper with 10k+ autos? 2 hp bars? great point make thief even more weak compared to the other classes WAY TO GO BRO! They are doing this to push that all thiefs to play wallmart necro I mean specter

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thanks man, will do 

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I just saw the new thief spec, do I need to open a ticket?