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@"ollbirtan.2915" said:I've been actively playing sPvP for 4 years...Naturally, I've played across the majority of divisions - from low silver to high plat. I've experienced many skewed matches due to messed up match making, I've seen win traders / throwers / afkers and generally 'bad' players a plenty...but I am yet to see a bit with my own eyes.I'm not saying they do not exist, they might in fact if we are to believe some convincing video proof popping up from time to time. But every time when I see a statement - "OMG! BOTS IN EVERY MATCH!", I ask myself - Am I doing something wrong? Am I playing a different game? ~~What is real? Who am I? ~~-Shrug-
@Trevor Boyer.6524 said:These bots hide that they are bots rather well nowadays. I mean it's to the point that you wouldn't really notice unless you knew what to look for, and were going out of your way to pay attention to that player.
Some of you guys seem to be greatly underestimating how far along the bot programs have come in GW2.
Examples of things to pay attention to, from what I've noticed about the difference between bots and actual bad players:
- Bad players generally get upset if people say anything to them at all. They'll say something back or start arguments, sometimes afk without saying anything. Sometimes bad players noticeably begin getting disinterested in the match when they do poorly, and you see them linger for 10s or something when they respawn before they walk back out. But bots literally 100% completely ignore everything said to them, say nothing back, they don't afk or linger in spawn. Without skipping a beat or showing any response to communication in any way, they continue doing the exact same thing the entire match.
- Actual bad players have jumpy skittish WASD movement. If you really pay attention to real players, just like how a person writes by hand or draws with a pencil, you can see unique signatures in how a person uses their WASD movement keys, and even things like how they like to stand when they are capping a node, or how they like to run in a circle when they are capping a node, ect ect. All the bots walk directly to the very center of the node and stand still while capping it. When I say the center of the node, I mean like mathematically within the game parameters X Y Z axis, they are perfectly standing in the exact center of the node all of the time every time. Bots move from point A to point B and never show any unique signatures in movement whatsoever. Even the bot programs that have attempted to replicate human movements, they still obviously move like a bot, with complete disregard for higher human thinking map awareness, and generally only ever react if a player strikes them with an attack <- That's important to pay attention to.
- When I come over a hill from say mid in legacy to far in legacy, if a bad player is standing on the far node and sees me as Gank coming at him, they start moving around and acting a bit panicky. They seem to not really be sure what they should be doing. They sudden dodge roll for no reason, to try and intuitively dodge some LB attack before it happens. Then they try to cast a symbol at me or something, before deciding they are going to leave the node and attempt to LOS. Actual bad players are again, skittish and fumbly as all hell, very visually. A bot on the other hand, will stand on that node facing me, and do absolutely nothing as it stands in perfect center of the node, and it won't react to me until I get within some mid range threshold where it can use its attacks, or until I open up a 1500+ range burst on it. <- No actual real player would stand there and literally do nothing when a high powered ranged class was walking directly at them and obviously positioning itself to nuclear strike them as they stood there in the center of node letting it happen, as if the burst wasn't going to down them in 1/2 a second.
- Bots will respond to the same things in the same way every time. I mean I could engage a bot and kill it 15x in a match, and it will never learn that it should move out of the way from the center of the node when it sees me coming. It'll never learn that it should stealth when it sees me, or use blink and go away. It'll do the same stupid things every time. I'll open a burst on it as it stands there and attempts to cycle through phantasms to prime its main offense on node, as if it weren't going to die in 1/2 a second. Does the same thing every time. Even a player on their first day of play would learn after dying once or twice to a good player, that they need to do something different.
- And finally, bots never use terrain. A good example is Skyhammer jump pads. The bots just aren't keenly designed enough to know how to jump up a pad on a side node and get away or at least attempt to get away. They'll stand there on the node and do the same thing they would on any other node, as if the jump pads weren't even there. Bots also completely ignore objectives. They only go to nodes and sometimes follow players to engage combat. They are not keenly designed enough to incorporate playing for objectives in the way that you'd clearly see humans doing, at least not that I've seen. Real players, even bad ones, will do things like jump up and over boxes or try to LOS in strange places or be very cowardly and go in and out and in and out of the spawn doors in legacy. Bots never do things like this. They only walk in a simple pathing from node to node and sometimes follow players for engagement in a simple pathing.
- Oh and one more thing. Despite how bad in combat the bot is, they are always amazingly accurate with their interrupt skills, such as mantra of distraction. The one thing the bots can do better than a human is computer reflex know exactly when you're using a heal skill, and immediately push that instant interrupt CC as soon as you begin casting your heal. So when a player is amazingly bad in combat but somehow savant like at interrupting your heal utility, yeah that's a bot.
When you see players who act like this ^ 99% guarantee you it's a bot.
I agree 100% with this statement!! Glad to see other people being attentive to botting behavior!!!!! People who say they dont notice them, are not paying close enough attention and dont know what to look for! Trust me it not boy cried wolf situation!!!!!! Botts are so obvious that I'm starting to think arenanet is either creating these botts or allowing them to fill up player base and enhance their yearly statistics!!!!!! There is something very fishy about anet ignoring super obvious botts for years on end!!!
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@chilled.6794 : Trust me, in the lower leagues like bronze, silver and even gold, botts are horrible! People who get to be platinum are very lucky and has nothing to do with actual real game play! Platinum players just have a lot of luck that their teams didn't have too many botts at that time or the apposing team was 100% botts! Skills don't come into play that much to be honest. Botts are the most present in the morning and late evening. It's practically impossible for new player to go beyond bronze due to always having a full team of botts and having to do all the work all yourself! Sometimes the botts actually run into walls or just stand beside points and do nothing! The reason i suggested the 3v3 is that, it's based on not only my own experience but also my guild mates! Everyone agrees that adding a 3v3 option as permanent would be a great way of decreasing botts! I have played the 3v3 and 2v2 deathmathes and guess what? I got to gold 3!!!!! Why? Because I ALWAYS made my own pre-made team of people that I actually know!!! I never had botts causes I always had a pre-made team! Also, there is nothing to balance! Arenanet already made the 3v3 system! It's already mapped out! They just need to add it on a permanent basis! And with 3v3 you can clearlys ee that 90% of the teams are pre-made through LFG so it is balances sicne both your own team and the otther team are pre-made (equal chances).They could also make a distinction between the two by giving different reward tracks to make people do both and therefore spreading out the player base! At least this way we can actually play pvp how its suppose to be! Why does World of Warcraft have multiple pvp modes? They have 2v2, 1v1,3v3, battlegrounds of 10v10 and bigger ones of 25+. And the 1v1,2v2 and the 3v3 never have botts in them because you can make pre-made groups! If World of Warcraft can do it, so can GW2!! No excuse!!!! World of Warcraft manged to heavily reduce the botts, so saying its a bad thing and not doing anything about its bullshit. I have print screens and video recordings of botts that I have had in my team or opposing team like a billion times in a row on multiple days over a few months! Always reported them and nothing happens! 100% botts and multiple reports, and yet they do nothing! It's not that hard to spot them! I actually have recordings of them running against walls etc.... I mean come on! How hard can it be especially if we already reported them doing half the leg work for arenanet! We point them out, all they need to do check the account and the bott's behavior. I have a whole list of botts!!! Over 120 regular daily botts!!!!!!! Its ridiculous how obvious the botts are and get away with it for years!!!!!! In other games like World of Warcraft, you get a warning for the least suspicious thing and after that you get banned! In Guild Wars you can curse, insult people and the most violating things and still not get banned! Afkers also get no punishment at all! The whole report system doesn't work, or they are understaffed and cant handle all the reports. I know 100% that it's not money issues since they earn millions of dollars a year off of the black lion gem store alone without the expacs!!! They have time and resources o add weekly stupid worthless outfits to the store but don't have time or money to fix CORE issues that have been present for years without any action taken???? Nope....don't buy it! There also a possibility that the head of the developers or someone bigger in charge gives the team pointless objectives and assignments and misdirects their focus from core stuff to money making worthless stuff like weekly outfits on the black lion store....who knows?! The staff probably knows about the bot tissues, but they can't do anything about it cause the person in charge won't focus on the core issues. I'm not saying it's the truth but it is an objective possibility since every game has business/money part to it. @chilled.6794
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As you are aware, botting has become so bad in PVP, that a lot of players went to PVE content due to the fact that PVP ranked and unranked has become unplayable! Each match consists of at least 2 or 3 botts (very often the same ones for a years on end)I already have gotten a standard reply from you guys about this issue stating that you are working on it and that you can't give out any info about how you guys are dealing with this. To be honest, I have even heard rumors that ARENANET is actually creating and or allowing these botts to exist to fill up the PVP to make it seem more full and reduce queue times. I hope this is not true, as this would be a clear violation towards your audience and consumers.I'll get straight to the point now; I don't expect you to do anything about the botting since I've read countless forums and thousands of review about people complaining about you guys not doing anything about it so I won't even try to convince you guys. But please, and I stress, PLEASE, why won't you guys just add 3v3 deathmatch permanently in the queue option!!! This way people can make their own pre-made groups which is amazing to play!!!! No botts whatsoever!!! You guys already have the 3v3 system all mapped out, so it's just a matter of adding it to the queue system permanently so you guys don't even have to do any extra work. There also an option for you guys to make conquest 5v5 available for pre-made groups of 5 and not 2. The last option would be to give us two conquest modes the standard 5v5 or another one that is 3v3 (pre-made groups possible) This way people can actually choose their PVP mode and play style and reduce and even eliminate botting altogether! Can you guys please discuss this on your next team meeting please? Since you guys are focused on bringing gw2 to steam and bring in new crowd, you should take it seriously that a lot of new players will be drawn to the PVP content as well and if they see that at the get go, there are non-stop botts 24/7, they will stop playing gw2 altogether.. Please discuss it at your next meeting and just implement the 3v3 deathmatch as a fixed permanent thing to reduce botting! This way you guys also have less work on keeping an eye on botters all the time. If by a miracle you do decide to add 3v3 permanently, then please also increase the reward track by adding more ascended shards and marks so it can be a viable way to grind ascended gear. I still have hope that one good soul ( developer) at ARENANET will read this and help make the game better and the audience more satisfied and renew the faith in ARENANET!!!Thank you for your timeRegardsLeona
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As you are aware, botting has become so bad in PVP, that a lot of players went to PVE content due to the fact that PVP ranked and unranked has become unplayable! Each match consists of at least 2 or 3 botts (very often the same ones for a years on end)I already have gotten a standard reply from you guys about this issue stating that you are working on it and that you can't give out any info about how you guys are dealing with this. To be honest, I have even heard rumors that ARENANET is actually creating and or allowing these botts to exist to fill up the PVP to make it seem more full and reduce queue times. I hope this is not true, as this would be a clear violation towards your audience and consumers.I'll get straight to the point now; I don't expect you to do anything about the botting since I've read countless forums and thousands of review about people complaining about you guys not doing anything about it so i won't even try to convince you guys. But please, and I stress, PLEASE, why won't you guys just add 3v3 deathmatch permanently in the queue option!!! This way people can make their own pre-made groups which is amazing to play!!!! No botts whatsoever!!! You guys already have the 3v3 system all mapped out, so it's just a matter of adding it to the queue system permanently so you guys don't even have to do any extra work. There also an option for you guys to make conquest 5v5 available for pre-made groups of 5 and not 2. The last option would be to give us two conquest modes the standard 5v5 or another one that is 3v3 (pre-made groups possible) This way people can actually choose their PVP mode and play style and reduce and even eliminate botting altogether! Can you guys please discuss this on your next team meeting please? Since you guys are focused on bringing gw2 to steam and bring in new crowd, you should take it seriously that a lot of new players will be drawn to the PVP content as well and if they see that at the get go, there are non-stop botts 24/7, they will stop playing gw2 altogether.. Please discuss it at your next meeting and just implement the 3v3 deathmatch as fixed permanent thing to reduce botting! This way you guys also have less work on keeping an eye on botters all the time. If by a miracle you do decide to add 3v3 permanently, then please also increase the reward track by adding more ascended shards and marks so it can be a viable way to grind ascended gear. I still I have hope that one good soul(developer) at ARENANET will read this and help make the game better and the audience more satisfied and renew the faith in ARENANET!!!Thank you for your timeRegardsLeona
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