Tharrkar.5692

There is no class that can just face-tank everything. that is not true its called warrior that dude can even tank legends in full berserker gear while still remaining an easy 2k each hit plus perma 25 might, a stamina regen as high as thiefs, damage while dodging, easy access to condi cleanse and stunbreaks, very good cc, lots of mobility and even if he gets in downstate he still is superior to thief due to his big cc and his insane recovery all he has todo is kill 4 nemys and its almost a garuanteed recovery

it is the exact opposite my dude mesmer does anything that thief does just better i dont understand how u can say that it feels like u have never played thief or mesmer before and if u would have read the thread then u would know that even the big thief youtubers all agree with that and what u posted are benchmarks from one of the best if not the best pve guild ingame most people will not reach those numbers and i wasnt only talking in raids or damage alone i was talking about the whole deal from sustain to cc to damage

Yeah thats what im saying in pve u cant make any misttake due to no sustain whatsoever. And regarding the stealth i think its good they put forcus onto stealth since its a big part of thief and it gives the assassin from the shadows a vibe wich i love, i like stealth, the issue is that in most situations stealth is completely uselss and sometimes outright broken! I have had situations where i stealthed for 10 seconds and the enemy kept attacking me know perfectly where i am or situations where as soon as i stealth the boss would reset back to 100%. IMO thief needs somet stealth that doesnt go away isnantly or more ways to get in and out of stealth more and of course fix the bugs that i just mentioned. Maybe make it so taht thief deals 20% more damage with melee weapon while ins stealth and he can attack 3 times before uncloaking instead of 1.

im not going purely after benchmarks im going from testing multiple builds in multiple situations such as soloing champions fractals as well as others

Hello there ex-Thief player here i would like to talk about our favorite profession the thief for a bit in hopes anet sees this and dose something.I want to talk about the fact that thief is dying he is by far the weakest and most useless class of the entire game and anet does nothing about it. Let me explain. PVE:In pve thief is easily the weakest class getting oneshot by almost everything very hard to level especially for beginners and honestly, not even needed anymore.When comparing thief to other classes thief just lacks in anything. -SurvivabilityWell its not like u play anything but criticals strikes so u take the heal from that and as if anyone plays anything but daredevil staff in pve since its the only thing that can hit more then 1 fucking enemy at a time u can take the dodge cleanse from that too but other then that, thats all the sustain thief has a sure u can argue u go for agility spec for a little bit of more cleanse and tiny winzy bit of heals but the damage loss is so huge that noone does it pretty much u are forced to play daredevil critical strikes cause nothing else is useful enough to be even looked at. -DAMAGE!!!!The thing thief should succeed in... but doesnt!As explained above iv u want any sustain whatsoever u gonna have to sacrifice some damage wich in the end comes out to be more then meh! Like the damage is ok but other classes deal more damage with alot more survivability at the same time, warr or mesmer for example if u play mesmer on equal the amount of sustain that thief has his damage is almost tripple the thiefs damage, and warrior comes out to the same damage numbers as thief but at the same time can tank pretty much anything and has access to lots of adrenaline stamina passive heal movement and dodges! -Healing/Supportlol So lets compare theif to the classes one by one shall we? Warrior: PFF! Compared to warrior thief looks like the most useless little shit in the game. My mans can tank easily 3-4 hits even with berserker stats while having dodges ready constantly Buffing himself with ez perma might and fury having the best passive heal in the game wich comes out to almost 900hp a sec lots of cc movement dodge and of corse still remaining a decent damage. Guardian: Guardians damage exceeds the thiefs by a ton compared to the pure burst of guardian thief looks like a joke honestly not to mention guardian has very good sustain against conditions very easily accessable self boons and heals, i never played to much guardian so i cant speak to much for this class but i have played it and while it is a little harder to survive with guardian its still not as terrible as thief. Revenant: Rev can deal huuuge number in damage while having incredible self sustain power calla and dwarf is pretty underrated and can easily solo a champion with veterans around no problem! Engineer: Engi has the best heal in the game in many peoples opinion including mine the healing turret he has insane amounts of damage and utility ready at any time if u know how to play engi this class can survive almsot everything while bursting down anything in its way with ez! Ranger: OOF the class that is meant for beginners and it shows everyone who doesnt know the mechanics in a fraktal or anywhere... its always the ranger honestly. Anyway needless to say compared to the survivability of this class thiefs survivability is pretty much non existend access to very strong heals damage buff and of corse le pet! Necromancer: I mean yeah the literal PVE monster just put on minion master and there u go u are now an invincible force easily able to solo any legend u come accross i dont want to compare thief to this almost cause this is just beyond anything theif can ever be, not to mention that reaper has a very good damage output with lots of aeo, while tank condi scourge can easily solo u any champion or legend when played well. Elementalist: Not only is this the class thief lost his crown to for highest damage but its also the only class that now has the single highest damage on anything be it burst or condition. While ele is very squishy ele has tons of ability ready for any situation and as mentioned above has more damage then thief has in any way. Mesmer: OH BOI! U might as well rename this class to "better thief" cause lets face it... its true! This class can do aynthing thief can do just better! It has amazing utility can do so much stuff with movement and dodges has access to easy self boons TONS OF DAMAGE condition cleanse, it can easily solo legends and even when running not inspiration its survivability is beyond anything theif and the damage comes out to almost triple the damage of thief. Yes thief here and there is used in a couple of Raids every now and then but thats it! Thats all he can do and even that a mesmer would be better cause hes more useful in more raids and deals far more damage then the thief. Thief is forced to play daredevil cause the other shit is not even worth looking at any thief open world build is all the same and they all use critical strikes and daredevil. Also the signets that give precision and power are used so much cause they are needed shouldnt thief have that amount of precision by himself?Thief can also try and solo stuff but compared to other classes he is almost useless, the best example was yesterday or 2 days ago i dont remember when exactly but i saw a daredevil thief trying to solo a chmpion arrowhead heropoint and he was doing fine he dodged his attacks took no damage but then got hit a single time and down he went! And it perfectly summons up the problems with thief yes he can solo shit but 1 tiny misttake and thats it either u play flawless or u dont play thief. That sucks! Especially for casual player who just like thief classes or if u cant focus 100% of the time and u just wanna have a chill time in gw2. With thief its either never get hit or get one shotted faggot, and lets face it u can only play thief on damage he doesnt have any other purpose and ele, mesmer, guardian, necro, engi, and even warrior can easily outperfom thief in damage while havingf alot more sustain. Yes thief still has decent damage but only if he has absolutely no sustain equipping any damage spec kills any stustain he has! Alright but thats pve what about pvp? PVP:Its even worse in pvp! While there is atleast some sort of inzy winzy tiny bit of reason to play thief here hes already dying. Thief cannot 1v1 any class he just cant. If 2 player on the same skill level fight the thief will always lose ALWAYS! That is not acceptable!I saw people argue alot "but thats not what thief is suppose to do hes suppose to capture points and +1 fights" oh so u wanna tell me thief is a walking simulator that only attacks if its 100% safe and if a warrior comes by or smth like that even then its not 100% safe cause he can easily 2v1? Thats what anet wants the thief to be? Well anet must hate thief then.In a Game mode that is literally called Player Vs Player thats around fighting players in an action mmorpg thief the literaly "assassins from the shadows the acrobatic killer" is a walking simulator that presses 5 evetyime he can? Fine u dont wanna trust the word of a silver player with a fair amount of hours in the game? Dont take it from me then take it from the pros themselvs!Even the big thief youtubers stop playing thief more and more Noody i think it was even said in one of his videos that he doesnt enjoy playing thief anymore cause at this point mesmer can literally do anything thief can just better and he can handle fights better wich is a huge advantage! What ius he a low skill player? No! he is one of the biggest thief youtubers period and if HE says that thief is dying its fucking serious!I also here alot of people argue with: "but sindrener is still doing more then well on thief how can it be broken if he does it????" DUDE he is literally called "the god of pvp" he counts as the single best player of the entire game, the only reason he doesnt 1v5 an entire game is that thief is so underpowered that it makes this dude balanced, when 95% of players will never come even remotely close to his skill level he is beyond good and a game shouldnt be balanced on the literal very best players of the entire game it should be a fair balance between casual and pro! And even he plays less and less guild wars! (I mean just look here in the Forum on the right side u see mesmer ranger and i assume ele and on the left u see a scrapper warrior and i assume guardian they hate thief so much he isnt even in the forum art :P)Jokes Aside!Thief needs help! Its serious! i Really do feel like anet hates the thief with passion because idk how they can still nerf him when hes pretty much dead either theres a huuuge rework for the entire class coming up or they want to remove him from the game and at this point hes already starting to! There is literally no point in playering thief anymore Mesmer and all the other classes outperforms thief in any way! Thief is by far the weakest class and its dying! I hope that thief either gets huuuuuuuuuuge buffs or they do a rework on the entire class because i dont see any future for him anymore! And if u will excuse me now i will go play destiny 2 because the Thief class in there is still useful!Sry for my english im not native english and sry for the swearing its to get the point across better :) Thanks for reading!