[Pet wish list]

A pet that isn't hideous to look at. Would love more deer pets that can provide CC, Regen, and Aegis, which would be great on druids.

[Ranger and wvw]

Alright, time to tear into you, since you're going to be this way.

The defensives of ranger are abysmal outright; to put this into perspective, let's note every single potential defensive ability that a Ranger has. We're assuming the player is playing a Core Ranger build, and thus does not have access to Elite Specializations. To note: Anything that inflicts a condition that can potentially prevent an attack does NOT count as a defensive tool; CCs are not reliable as a way to prevent or reduce damage, as the enemy player can have sources of Stability readily available to counter this, a stun-break, or the attack can outright fail to land due to Blindness. Because of this, defensives must have one or more of the following conditionals:

1. Applies damage negation through boons.

2. Not require the target to be afflicted with a conditional effect (any form of control of condition that hinders the enemy's ability to deal damage)

3. Avoid, Absorb, or Block an attack outright, preventing all damage.

Barrier and Reaper Shroud, for example, counts as an Absorb - as this negates all damage to the player health bar (prevents down state). Aegis counts as a block. Dodging/evading is avoidance. Protection and Resolution counts as Negation.

Because of this, let's break down exactly what Defensives Ranger has.

1. Signet of Renewal - Condi Cleanse, Resistance, Resolution. 35 second cooldown. Requires your pet to be within range to activate. Requires your pet to be alive to activate.

2. Signet of Stone - Absorbs all Power Damage from attacks for 3 seconds. 40 second cooldown.

3. Lightning Reflexes - Evades for 0.75 seconds, breaks stun, and removes Immobilized. 24 Second Cooldown. Additionally grants vigor.

4. Stone Spirit - Grants 1 Aegis and 4 stacks of 1 second of Protection. 30 second cooldown. Additionally cripples and Weakens, but these can be negated.

5. Water Spirit - Possibly the only "good" Condi Cleanse that isn't Healing Spring. Gives Resistance for 4 seconds, 4 stacks of Resolution for 1.5 seconds, Area of Effect wherever you place it, 0.25 second activation time, and pulses Condi Cleanse on Slam removing 3 Condis. 30 Second Cooldown.

6. Protect Me! - Grants a minimum of around 4k Barrier that scales off of Healing Power and breaks stun in a Radius around you. Grants Protection for 4 seconds. 30 Second cooldown.

7. Guard! - Reduces damage taken by 33% for 6 seconds. Damage is instead taken by your Pet. Will effectively kill your Pet. Requires your Pet to be alive (unlikely to last in WvW). Requires your Pet to be in Range. Additionally soaks damage from allies, further killing your Pet even faster. 30 Second Cooldown (it's actually 60 seconds because your Pet is now dead).

Weapon Skills:

8. Whirling Defense: Grants Resolution for 4 Seconds. Renders you immobile. Reflects projectiles. 25 Second Cooldown. Deals significant damage, but requires the target to be thoroughly locked in place to inflict this damage. Requires offhand Axe, a Condi weapon.

9. Stalker's Strike: 1.25 Second evade. Deals moderate poison damage, more so if target is crippled (if it even lands). 10 Second Cooldown. Requires offhand dagger, a Condi weapon.

10. Counterattack: Blocks all attacks for 3 seconds. This is the only block Ranger has to prevent damage outright, both condi and power. Greatsword only (a 2h Power weapon). 15 Second Cooldown. Additionally gives you a very short range kick if you block an attack, that can knockback and evade for 0.75 seconds.

11. Swoop: Technically has an evade on the "swing" animation for 0.5 seconds. 12 second cooldown. Mobility.

12. Quick Shot: Evade backwards for 0.5 seconds, gain Swiftness, 8 second cooldown. Requires Shortbow.

So let's review!
We have: A weak condi cleanse that is conditional on your Pet being in range and alive to activate, a Signet that blocks all power damage for 3 seconds (thank God Power Damage is super meta, right guys?), An evade that gives you no backup stability or anything to prevent being instantly rooted again, two Spirits with decent effects but long cooldowns and boon reliant (thus can be stripped), the one good Stun Break which grants protection (one of the VERY FEW sources of protection), a suicide your Pet button, and on weapons we have off-hand Axe, off-hand Dagger, Shortbow, and Greatsword.

Some of the biggest problems are that Condi Rangers have 0 Blocks without taking Greatsword, Power builds had a lot of choice, the overall toolkit for defensives is super weak or conditional, some are outright useless, others are good in theory but horrible in practice.

Now, tell me. Is there any core class in the game that has it worse than Ranger when it comes to defensives? Be honest, and ask yourself this, because I'm going to give you the answer.

No. Even if we turn to Pets, and look at Pet abilities, these are still conditional on your Pet being alive. To top this off, they require your Pet to be in Range. A taunt will do nothing to AoE abilities that strike multiple targets. Condis can be handwaved on any cleanse. Ranger has no ability to bunker at all, while several of the meta classes have either soft bunker (massive evasion, reduction, or outright removing themselves from combat) tactics or hard bunker tactics (absorption, negation, tactics which involve soaking damage or preventing it outright).

Ranger has none of these abilities when stressed, unless if they have their one block available - but this can be countered with unblockable attacks (nor does this prevent condis from ticking away at them). Rangers can not reliably generate defensives. Rangers can not reliably drop combat as easily as several other classes, like Thief or Necromancer. Rangers can not reliably remove conditions anymore (this was recently nerfed) without taking extremely valuable Utility slots. Rangers can not use half of their kit because it relies on their Pets, which dies often and fast in PvP situations, and when their pet is alive, it can easily be out of range entirely.

Insufficient research is often attributed to ignorance. And your inability to provide reasonable doubt or evidence that "Ranger's defensives are strong" indicates a weak understanding of the core issue. If a Ranger's only recourse to a threat is to run from the threat, and not engage with the threat, then they are not viable to play.

Understanding the niche of every weapon, you see a trend. Ranger weapons can put out damage numbers - but these numbers are simply similar to other high ranking DPS. Ranger weapons can have a small defensive utility - but these defensive utilities are very weak or easily counterable. Ranger Utilities can provide defensive power, but they are highly conditional, or simply do not achieve the purpose of a defensive to a broader extent.

To be a good "defensive", a skill or utility must be:

1. Reliable

2. Easily accessible

3. Not readily countered by common tactics

4. Easy to use.

Most of these abilities, just in the core tree, do NOT meet most of this criteria. Protect Me and Counter Attack are perhaps the only skills that can meet at least 3 of these. They're both reliable and easy to use, but Protect Me is countered by several strategies (stacking CC, roots, slows), and Counter Attack is not easily accessible because it requires a weapon slot to use.

To summarize: Ranger's only defensive tactic is to run away because their kit is bad.

[Ranger and wvw]

On 3/9/2024 at 3:43 AM, Dadnir.5038 said:

The point is that ranger is packed full with defensive tools

"Packed full of defensive tools"

Oh no, please, go on. Compare our defensive tools to any other profession. I'm waiting.

[Make Spirits Move Again [Merged]]

I actually prefer the Spirits for general play overall. In HealCondi druid, running Storm Spirit isn't terrible because it gives two dazes and a decent amount of flat damage (14k on a double crit in Celestial gear). While not busted, it's at least somewhat viable (and can do more damage than some other traps in open world). Throwing down Storm/Sun spirit and popping CA before dropping CA3/5 is pretty potent, as long as you have Nature Magic with the Double Slam. The boons it gives helps in small groups or just general solo play, so it can offset some of the DPS loss.

And just looking at the flat numbers, if I have double slam, I get like... 18k damage out of Sun Spirit, over the 6.5k damage out of Flame Trap. The cooldown difference is 5 seconds, and they both hit the same amount of targets... and Sun Spirit also blinds, twice. I guess Fire Trap is good because it applies a Fire Field, which you can combo if you're smart - but I think overall Sun Spirit is *better*, even with the cooldown differences (that being just 5 seconds).

The only real issue is using it in PvP. Longer cooldown, not as potent, lots of time to react, can be blocked... on top of this, for play in general, you have to sacrifice either Skirmishing or Survival to take Nature Magic, which is fine on druid, but pointless on something like Soulbeast.

It's really best suited as a burst on someone who already can't move, or in PvE for the huge radius it covers. Or just giving boons.

My damage is kinda stuck at around 18k dps while providing full uptime on a lot of boons (boondps I guess), though none of which are alacrity or quickness so what's the real point? If I take alac in druid, I might as well full aheal because my damage is kitten in CA.

[Fantasy vs "real-life" pets. Do you have a preference?]

I only really like the normal pets, basically none of the new pets added from any expac fit the aesthetic I want for general play. They're all hideous to the point of disgust for the most part. Like, who in their right mind wants to run the Spinegazer? Excluding the weird guy from IT at your work.

After the recent pet update, I can more comfortably run something like a Raven and a Fernhound in something like Pre-Master Fractals as a Druid. Sure, it's a DPS loss overall, but it's not that bad (and the Fernhound helps with my Astral Power management).

When they add new pets, please, please, please... make it a good looking Pet, not alien or weird one. Such a missed opportunity with the Kirin in EoD, instead we got an ugly an "bird-thing" that they called a Phoenix, another cat (very boring, thank you Anet), a turtle... which is fine? And the Wallow. *Who wants to run a Wallow?*

It's like, every time Anet adds in a super beautiful mob to the world, the person in charge of choosing Pets vomits in their mouth at the sight, has a panic attack, and picks the most disgusting abomination instead. They then make it basically a DPS required Pet for min-maxing because... well, just because it makes them happy.

At this point, give me some normal animals like a Deer or a viable Wolf that I can use. Or an *actually* cool looking dragon. Stop shoving these really ugly pets down my throat and making them the best DPS pets. (Seriously, a bundle of twigs is better DPS wise than a bear... why.)

[Ranger's Spirit Bug?]

2 minutes ago, DarkFlopy.8197 said:

I don't think it was specified anywhere to what game mode the build was purposed for, if so that is my bad for missing it out.

And now that I know that it's for PVE then running celestial is a giant waste of stats unless you are trying to solo group content on your own.

But anywho now that I know it's for PVE open world no one really cares what you will run as long as you have fun, it does what you wanted it to do and you are able to kill something on your own in a time frame less than eternity. 😂

It's perfect for open world, because it focuses entirely on AoE with the ability to flip to support in a moment's notice. It feels great to play, it's fun, and it melts massive packs in seconds. You're just whining because it's not a minmaxed damage dealer and you can't stand people having fun, I get it. No need to be childish on a forum because people like to hybrid.

[Ranger's Spirit Bug?]

1 hour ago, DarkFlopy.8197 said:

Now change the stats from celestial to anything else and let's see how it's gonna go 😂

"Let's change this hybrid build meant for open world into a non-hybrid build stat wise, surely this is intelligent."

[Ranger's Spirit Bug?]

I actually find the spirits really powerful as a hybrid, more than any other utility at times, especially as druid. The damage potential is not absurd (as you're not focusing on one stat), but it's definitely potent on top of powerful sustain.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?POgAMZlJwOYKsN2JO2Tat7BkA-DyIY1oivMCLBatAkf0UgfNQFA-e

This is the build I run for general play. It's basically pure AoE. Storm Spirit is a free 7-14k damage. I'm constantly at 25 might. It's raining arrows around me half the time. I can self-blast during Rejuvinating Tides for AoE burst healing, while at the same time pumping out more boons than I can handle. I basically never have to leave longbow because I'm essentially pushing out constant, non-stop, area wide damage, and when I'm on cooldown for longbow skills, I just enter CA.

The pros are that this build is super flexible and tanky. Anything around you or your spirits is never going to have a chance to deal damage, because they are 1. Dazed, 2. Rooted, or 3. Blinded. On top of all other effects, like Chilled, Crippled, and Weakened from Call of the Wild. And your damage output, while not game-breaking or topping charts, is decent enough while providing a ton of healing and boon coverage.

I'd suspect a build like this would be toxic in PvP, if it didn't have longer cooldowns on the spirits and CA. Because you can use Spirits in stealth, without breaking stealth. Then you can end stealth with CA for free CC. I honestly wouldn't know what to do during this if I was desperately trying to cap a point and suddenly, a hailstorm of CC, AoE, and Condis began to rain down on top of me. And the person doing it all is invisible, and about to dazelock me. Thankfully, the cooldowns in PvP are too long to encourage nuking, and people can still outrun it if they're smart. On top of this, you'd still want CC break, so you'd have to drop *something* for it.

[Don't you think Heal Druid needs a little shaving with the heal and cleanse? [Merged]]

Druid is not broken in output. Basing balancing decisions around non-essential numbers is how you butcher a spec. The overwhelming majority of heals that Druid produces is from passive healing through Regeneration. If you remove Regeneration from whatever healing numbers you have for all professions churning out heals, the healing difference is noticeable. But other professions provide consistent damage negation, auras, and barrier to compensate for this. If you nerfed Druid's healing potential to match any other profession, then their viability plummets dramatically.

Regeneration is not a make-all-break-all boon. In PvE, PvP, and WvW, regeneration will not save you if you have 2000 HP left. You should realize that actual health numbers are not as essential as how many actual hits you can take before you are dead.

If you have 22,000 HP, that could be a few dozen hits or several depending on the enemy's output. In raids and PvE, this is usually 3-6 hits, in PvP and WvW, it's better to track this as actual survival time due to attack speed variations and how professions operate/how conditions work. Regeneration does not restore a hit every second in PvE. It takes several seconds for a player to restore enough health through regeneration alone to negate an extra hit. In PvP and WvW, Regeneration may give you an extra 0.1 second alive every second it's active. Considering how most time to down is under several seconds without dodging or defensive play, this is entirely negligible healing. If you are being focused without defensive abilities, your health bar could vanish in as little as four seconds. An extra 0.4 seconds will not save you.

But boons like Protection give you an effective +33% flat health against Power damage, and Resolution grants the same effect for Condition Damage. Barrier is also affective health. Blocking through Aegis is affective health. Blocking through actual blocking is affective health. Other specs offer these in heaps and spades. Druid does not. Druid offers healing. Not barrier regeneration. Not resolution. They have great condi cleanse, but they also can't really reduce condi damage otherwise.

Druid is built around raw numbers. Removing the raw numbers aspect would be similar to removing Barrier generation from Scourge. You would be destroying the niche of the class without cause. Players have a misconception on what provides actual survival to a player, and we don't have tools to really show survival.

If you want to see the actual effectiveness of a healing spec, we need better tools to see this in-game. We need to be able to track effective damage reduction and time until death, not raw healing numbers. One of the only ways we can track actual effective healing output is through damage field testing on the Raid Golem, and the numbers and cooldowns aren't the same in this scenario. So we don't have actual tools to track survival in-game. Add ons are also ineffective for tracking survival, as they only provide raw data.

If we want to check actual survival rate, we would need a couple people to painstakingly get together on WvW, and have them wail on someone while a healer tries to keep them alive. The healer would need to be in actual gear set ups and know what they're doing. The player should be in average gear and an adventurer profession. The other players should have similar, average DPS outputs in WvW.

To perform the test, you would need at least 3 enemy attackers, one player on the healer's team to serve as a target dummy, and one person who has access to all support specs - or multiple people with access to all support specs, and knowledge on how to use them. You would need to make sure that the enemy players fight with the same rotation each and every time. You would also need a scenario where there is at least five allied players clumped together to test group healing and survival. This would be the only way to test actual healing effectiveness. Any other tool, calculator, or other method would no yield useful results. You need a similar scenario every time.

Anet devs could add tools to test this in-game, but doing so might be a challenge in of itself.

[Don't you think Heal Druid needs a little shaving with the heal and cleanse? [Merged]]

On 1/31/2024 at 7:18 AM, Soilder.3607 said:

Mr. Bastrii,

Again you are making claims without understanding the game mode, that game mode being large scale, organized WvW fights. Everything in your post and everything in your prior posts is meaningless and bears no relation to how this specific aspect of the game mode is played. Stop trying to make arguments when you don't understand the very basics of large scale, organized WvW combat.

 

Your focus on regeneration is meaningless. Yea it's a good boon and with Druid it's a 600-700 tick heal that they can easily maintain on 5-10 people in a squad. So what? Druid is still loaded with a plethora of other healing abilities so that they have virtually no downtime in healing. And with Druids giving either perma Alac or taking Lingering Light, they only need to wait 5-8 seconds to get back into CA mode.

 

Let's go back to something you said in your previous post to prove that you do not understand the very basics of large scale, organized WvW combat.

Here is where any WvW player who plays in organized groups will realize that you have no clue regarding anything you are talking about. The most basic element of large scale, organized WvW combat is that every player in a squad stays as close as possible to the commanders tag that way healing, boons, and other forms of support can be shared with as many people as possible. The fact that you have stated that these players spread out too far to make use of the Druids supportive abilities means that you have absolutely no idea how large scale, organized WvW combat takes place. Stop trying to argue with me when you don't even play the game mode. And by game mode I am not talking about WvW at large, I am talking specifically about large scale, organized WvW fights. If you had played even one time in a REAL organized fight group (one that uses discord for voice communication, organizes parties based on specific player roles, and has weekly runs) you would understand why what you said was entirely wrong. I cannot help you to understand this game mode if you refuse to play it then make baseless arguments.

 

I will not respond to any of your further posts until you join a WvW fight guild, hop on their discord, and begin playing with them in large scale, organized fights. If you don't know where to look to find these guilds, you can message me directly and I can get you into many of them.

*There is very little wrong with Druid as it stands right now regardless of whatever context you try to conjure up.* You have no data to counter my argument, no actual point to make other than saying "WvW groups" 40x. The entire premise of this thread is that the "numbers are off". They're not. You're not even supposed to *see* the numbers to be fair, that's not even *intended*. One add on in a game that won't even allow you to change the HUD spawned this thread, and now that I've effectively nullified your entire point and argument, you're trying to make this a point in "knowledge".

My point still stands. Druids do not need skimming. And if you want to talk about broken builds, Support Scourge can *still* pump 25k DPS, and their only downfall is being slightly composition sensitive. Their barrier output isn't super reliant on healing power, so they can take a utility slot instead of a support and do really well. And since you're so keen on group composition, why not try bringing a Herald alongside them, hm? I will not respond to any of your further posts until you join a WvW fight guild, hop on their discord, and begin playing with them in large scale, organized fights as Support Scourge. If you don't know where to look to find these guilds, you can message me directly and I can get you into many of them. :^)

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Mr. Bastrii,

Miss. Miss Bastrii.

[Don't you think Heal Druid needs a little shaving with the heal and cleanse? [Merged]]

On 1/18/2024 at 1:25 PM, Soilder.3607 said:

From your post, you genuinely don't understand the role Druid has in organized WvW groups and you don't understand how these fights take place and what the party compositions are of each subgroup. You can learn by going into WvW and looking for fight guilds to join who use voice communication and have a standardized team composition. Don't play with just one group/guild either, play with multiple so you get a variety of perspectives on team builds and roles.

 

Okay, then let's play the math game, since you're going to make claims without cause nor proof. If I give a basic reply, that's fair. But this is unwarranted.

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Regeneration is always 100% perma with ease.

You understand that Regeneration is a number ticker, right? But have you done the math on this? How much healing potential is behind regen? Because regeneration accounts for the *overwhelming* majority of healing output for any healer. Not because it gives meaningful heals (if you are being tagged by two players, a couple hundred HP/sec isn't going to save you) but because it's applying consistent, slow burn heals to *every single player* affected by it.

If you are in a group of 40 people, and you have not one, but *several* sources of regen, you are going to massively inflate your numbers. Exclude regen from the pool and you see the actual HP/S from all healers, and that's when you'll notice something

*DRUID IS THE ONLY CLASS POPPING OUT CONSISTENT AND NEAR OVERWHELMING REGEN.* Even in Valentine's own pictures, there's a boon breakdown on his details. And the druids? They're pumping out *HUNDREDS* of applications of regeneration. It's literally painted on the screen.

Now this comes back to healing numbers. Why is this important? Well, if you're pumping out 300-400 hp/s through regen to 5-10 people, your BASE HEAL RATE is - at a MINIMUM - 1500 HP/S. That's WITHOUT your burst heals. Regen is *great* for raids because of this, they repair chip damage.

But PvP doesn't revolve around chip damage so much as it does taking down raid lead's call and picks whenever the other zerg scatters in a retreat, or whenever a backline overextends or a squishy shows their head. Sure, tossing 30 AoEs on a single point is effective, but that's not happening unless if you're taking a point, or saving a point from capture. Or, if a wall goes down and there's a rush.

You can assume I lack game knowledge, and I'll assume you're lacking basic math skills. Druids numbers are through regen. Nature Magic specifically applies regen on Warhorn and on Beast Skills. Their cleanses come from 2 abilities - one of which is an active ability in Astral Form with a 4 second cooldown (seed of life) and Healing Spring (their healing skill). Healing Spring also applies TONS of regen, further boosting their numbers. And Healing Magic gives a flat +20% extra regen potency as a MINOR trait. On a class that pops out the MOST regen in the game.

Players are not limited to just 5 regen targets. They're limited to 5 targets per application. And if you're pulsing out 25 total stacks of Regen through one ability, and you have several abilities that pump out 5 stacks of regen, you've basically suffused the entire raid with at least 20+ outgoing regen applications at the MINIMUM, more if you don't overlap.

Tracking numbers is pointless. And again - cleanses. Same problem. One of the best healing abilities in the game is Healing Spring for raids. Because it pops out regen, but it also cleanses 2 conditions every 2 seconds for 10 seconds as long as players are inside of the generous field range. It's a carry in raids because it nullifies a ton of incoming conditions. But in PvP/WvW, it's especially strong, because it can nullify a condi build entirely for 10 straight seconds, while at the same time beefing up your healing numbers tremendously.

Tracking HP/s has done nothing but prove that healing spring is a good ability. Problematic? Not really. There are far more concerning things than healing spring, power creep being one of them (and healing spring has always been this good, it's not an issue).

In the build in the picture, it's highly likely that the druid could pop out 30 regens within 10 seconds to an entire raid. And with full Concentration, and high spread, they could churn out a solid 400 x 30 hp a second. That's 12k hp/s. But is that effective healing? For chip damage and random AoE, yes.

But will it save a life? Not necessarily. What saves a life is large chunk healing (CA 3, Staff 3). These are the crucial healers. And there's a limit to how many you can pop out. Those prevent downs. Those stop a burst. Those counter a power class cleaving someone in half.

If you brought turtle and staff, you could block projectiles for a bit. But pets are more often than not dead on arrival in WvW, especially if you push through a choke. So if anything, that leaves staff 5. And guess what Staff 5 does? It gives regen. And it converts projectiles into healing.

Regen is amazing in PvE but it doesn't carry hard in PvP. It mitigates AoE and reduces risk/keeps you topped up, but it does NOT prevent the hammer from coming down on some idiot who didn't fall back on the retreat. That would be active healing abilities. That would be barrier. That would be aegis. That would be CA 3 and spamming your heart out on CA 1/2. And if someone goes down, you don't have an instant undo button. You have Glyph of the Stars - amazing! Yes. It can turn the tide if played right. But a Signet rez is instant and straight up unfair at times. And instantly pulling someone up from the ground is superior to Glyph, because it will 100% of the time work. I've had so many Glyphs fail because the damage was too great, the ally was too deep, or the pressure was too high from AoE. I've never had a signet rez fail except whenever a squishy gets up and immediately flops because they're far out of position.

From your post, you genuinely don't understand basic math. You're so absorbed in the numbers and what they're trying to convey to you that you've completely detached the actual effectiveness from the profession. The numbers are irrelevant because the in-practice numbers are FAR different. Anyone being focused down is dead regardless of regen. That regen is bloating a number on your screen. You're crying about ALL healing skills as a result, their "overall effectiveness and meta use" because you only see "big healing number" without knowing the actual breakdown of what's going on. Regeneration and passive heals are the number bloater in any encounter. Any profession that pumps out regen is going to be BiS for heals if you're only looking at the surface without digging too deep into it. And druid's actual healing skills, their core abilities in CA, aren't overtuned nor broken. So because people rush to the profession, and see they're doing well and they're pushing big numbers, and people like you crowned it the new meta. Without realizing that preventing damage wholesale and actual mitigation is far more effective than regen. That the actual backbone of the raid is mitigation. Which Druid DOES cover through condi cleanse in Healing Spring, and can prevent some friendlies from being burst down through CA. The Glyph of the Stars? Debatable at best.

[Why are Rangers a melee profession? -.-]

For a long time, the most meta PvP build on Druid was Longbow/Staff, and just outranging everything because of balanced and fun class design, cough cough. It was kitten to play against because you'd be glued down almost constantly due to the snare, and the Druid would be pecking away at you from 1200+ units away.

Nowadays, Druid can use Shortbow/Axes and do crazy damage with Astral Form. It's an improvement because they're actually viable DPS, not just kitten healers.

And 90% of the game's content can be done strictly with just a longbow. If you pick up the Rage and Celerity rune, and run Lead the Wind, you could have essentially 24/7 uptime on Quickness. Your off weapon could be a staff for quick get aways, and you can run Thunder/Sun spirit for AoE CC and damage on top of your Volley.

You *can* be viable with a longbow, you just won't be viable for content that's built around clumping up by a tight group of players. Which... is a lot of group content, sadly. Nor will your damage be amazing.

[Don't you think Heal Druid needs a little shaving with the heal and cleanse? [Merged]]

2 hours ago, Soilder.3607 said:

The OP was talking about how Heal Druid performs in WvW and even posted screenshots from WvW. This topic is about Heal Druid in organized WvW groups. SPvP is entirely different and I have no comment on Druids place there.

I was referring to WvW, I forgot about SPvP entirely (I just came back from WoW).

SPvP is different. I'm referring to WvW.

[Don't you think Heal Druid needs a little shaving with the heal and cleanse? [Merged]]

On 1/15/2024 at 4:45 PM, Soilder.3607 said:

Also saying Druid provides only pure healing is the most non-sensical, based take I've ever heard in my entire life in regard to anything ever. Druid provides group prot, regen, vigor, swiftness, might, fury, stability, ALAC (PERMANENT ALAC), resistance, water fields, projectile denial, group stun break, group revive, ranged immob, crowd control, super speed, stealth. It's a loaded spec right now. And yes it can provide all of that in one build.

Providing all of that to a massive group in PvP is difficult at best, impossible at worst, and you can't provide Quickness as a Druid. You can provide a smoke field and some stealth in PvP, but in an organized group with coms, you still wouldn't make an insane play with it due to how chaotic PvP is. They can't provide perma-stability nor stacks of it, at best you'd get a couple from pets and that's it. Aegis is a rarity only provided by one pet, or by stone spirit (which you have to take for nearly 24/7 uptime on Prot). Keeping uptime on Prot, Regen, Vigor, Swiftness, and Fury is a balancing game of dumping ALL of your utilities (and you wouldn't have room for a stunbreak if you did). None of this is effective in practice because players don't clump as well in PvP, ranges are limited, and the cooldowns are different in PvP.

On a test dummy or in PvE, it's possible that a Support Druid could provide all of this with almost full uptime, but their healing suffers as a result. They have to choose between taking full uptime heals, damage, or alacrity, which is a problem point for support druid.

The projectile denial aspect is no longer relevant to just druid. In fact it's arguable that a Untamed is far superior for Projectile Blocking, as they can take a staff, siege turtle pet, and their pet can pop an additional untamed bubble. Druid only really has turtle and bubble.

Group stun break is not limited to just Druid. Any Ranger can take Protect Me!.

Group Revive is the most iconic part of druid. Doesn't always see use in PvP, more often people go down 1-3 at a time, not as a huge group. You're more likely to throw down GotS on a few people outside of your Search and Rescue! range.

Ranged immob is not limited to just Druid, as any pet with ranged immob can do it. And any Ranger spec can use staff.

Super speed and stealth is useful but not game breaking.

And all of these added together doesn't make Druid "absolutely loaded", because in group play, people spread out far too often to make any real use of it.

[Don't you think Heal Druid needs a little shaving with the heal and cleanse? [Merged]]

On 1/14/2024 at 6:45 PM, PrinceValentine.9320 said:

Not recommending to nerf it to the point that it becomes useless but a little shaving should be ok so other specs can shine too. Please see image links below for reference. Thoughts?

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FB and Ele both have amazing fallback options if they're being pressured. FB can switch tomes on the fly and pop a lot of defensives to stay afloat. Ele w/ Earth is notorious for being hard to kill. Druid... doesn't have these same kind of fallbacks.

Sure, they produce a lot of healing, but they don't produce a lot of *mitigation*. In fact, a lot of their self sustain is butchered by a flat%. If a druid is being pressured, the best they can hope for is GS block and dropping Astral for an escape. They don't churn out a ton of Aegis or Stability for a group, they don't have a defensive/sustain rotation that makes them hard to kill, and if their pet is dead - a giant chunk of their toolkit is gone.

Heal Druids do *best* when there are others in a group pumping out boons that shore up their weaknesses. Having a Guardian to pump out Aegis and Stability is great, and an Engineer to help churn out Barrier is just icing on the cake. Heal Druids are a baseline for support - they're good at providing the foundation. But you need other classes to build the walls and ramparts to keep your group alive. I'd say that Guardian is great for mitigation, while Engineer is great for absorption. With Guardian, you prevent attacks that can cleave health and reduce damage taken, while providing some healing, and can pump out Stability for your team. Engineer, on the other hand, produces a TON of barrier if they run Mechanist, which is perfect for absorbing damage - and they can do it while also popping buffs out like crazy. But Healing Druid focuses on recovering the health bar when both of these options aren't enough on their own, and people start taking crazy damage.

If you "shaved the top" on druid, you'd cripple their niche and make them less useful, not make other classes shine. If there was a way to track damage mitigated through Aegis, stuns denied by Stability, damage absorbed by Barrier, you'd see quickly that other classes provide just as much - if not more to the group than Druids do. One stability could be the difference between life and death. 300 points of healing often is not, especially with how explosive DPS is right now.

[(Soulbeast) Is there a single PVE build not using Axe Off-hand?]

Greatsword/Longbow isn't super viable, but it's still a strong option if you don't want to use Axe (I personally hate axe).

[Please Give Us a Pretty/Useful Pet or Two in SotO]

4 hours ago, InsaneQR.7412 said:

God no. Please make vanilla pets usable instead and give us a pet wardrobe system.

This would quench the need for new pets for a while and would allow for some customization.

Atm mainly expac pets are used 80% of the time and the rest are pets only used on soulbeast because most vanilla pets are trash when left on their own.

 

 

There's 14 pets from Expacs. Not counting aquatic pets (95% of content is on solid ground), this leaves 38 pets.

5 Moas (similar models/animations)

4 Bears (similar models/animations) with an extra bear with a somewhat unique, though hideous, model (similar animations)

5 Drakes (similar models/animations)

4 Boars/Pigs (similar models/animations)

5 Birds (similar models/animations)

4 Spiders (similar models/animations)

5 Hounds (similar models/animations)

4 Felines (almost similar models, similar animations)

4 Devourers (similar models/animations)

So in truth, we have 9 pets to choose from with some flavor from the core game, because these pets - for the most part - act nearly entirely similar outside of their F2. The expansions did a good thing, and brought variety - but the variety is small. We don't have any really unique fantasy options. We have some really ugly ones that... personally, I would never tame, but like... nothing that looks super appealing nor any that could fit with any design. 95% of the time I'm in a city space, I just keep my pet stowed, especially in any segment where I talk to NPCs, or other players. They all look bad.

It's like... when you think of a Ranger with a cool pet, some amazing things come to mind, fantastical things. A *really good looking phoenix* that catches on *actual* fire would be a great option. Or maybe something like a powerful Elk with branches instead of antlers. The Kirins from Echovald are beautiful! I'd love to tame one of those. Or maybe a small dragon-like beast, or an oriental dragon would be cool (no, drakes/wyverns do not count). The "wyverns" (our choice in "dragons") look like scrawny pitbulls with wing arms. They're hideous. And they're both the same model.

The devs have rarely added nice options for pet that aren't disgusting. I want more variety in appearance. I'd also like it if all pets had relatively similar DPS as well outside of their F2.

The Rock Gazelle is a good, if simple design, for a pet they added. I'd like something more fantastical, or even just more common creatures to wiggle into the roster. I'd love to tame a deer, for example. A bad design is something like the Jacaranda, which just looks like a floating grass troll doll. It's... extremely ugly. But also one of the most effective pets in-game. So everyone chooses it.

[Please Give Us a Pretty/Useful Pet or Two in SotO]

There's very few choices in pretty pets that aren't terrible overall. In fact, the best pets are felines, excluding Jacaranda and Iboga - which are arguably two of the best pets, on top of being absolutely hideous. So if you want a pretty, functional pet, your choices are the lynx, tiger, and jaguar. Otherwise you take the Jacaranda because it's the best for DPS, or maybe the Fern Hound or other specific pet for the situation if you're playing support.

Can we get a pet that's both beautiful and useful? I'd love to see something like the Kirin join the list of pets we could take, or even just a normal deer. Hell, make a magic deer in SotO. Make it pretty, give it good DPS, and a useful ability, and all Rangers would thank you. Just make something that isn't a mishmash of random twigs and branches, or another reskin of a spider, or... *shudder*, whatever demonic miscreant you're going to shove onto us.

A general passover of pets is really needed, too. When 80% of players use the Jacaranda, it's not because the Jacaranda is over powered or pretty. It's because it's one of the few viable pets of the dozens we have. Not to mention a dozen of our pets are flat out reskins of other pets, and that's just depressing. Not taking the Jacaranda means you miss out on a ton of random AoE, consistent damage, a tanky pet that can self heal, and a snare CC. The only option one could argue is better is the Lynx, which has slightly higher damage - but it has half the health, no self heal, and gets melted. I'm pretty sure if the Devs looked at most used pets, the list would be 10 entries at the very top, and the rest seeing a sub 1% usage rate. And of the 10 most used pets, the majority would be starter pets that new players/alts never took off.

[Celestial Druid Build]

Hey! I made a lil' hybrid build that's tons of fun on its own, but sure to get better when SotO releases. This build is my go-to for open world, Fractals, and could be "alright" in raids once SotO drops. Hope you enjoy! (In SotO, I'm going to replace MH Axe with MH dagger, because I hate axe. I just don't like using axe.)

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?POwAMdjlJwUYHsN2JW6TVt7RMH-zxQYhoAqRMfpUQIEWC0aBESEI/DRAahsGCcWBqA-e

So, this build focuses on engaging with the Longbow, before moving in close for CA/melee range. The rotation is simple; Rapid Fire into Point Blank Shot/Hunter's Shot. In stealth, move in and summon Sun/Storm spirit. Using Storm Spirit's daze and Sun Spirit's blind as cover, Longbow 5. Switch weapons at this point to your secondary (which will be Dagger/Dagger in Soto). Use Axe 2, Axe 3, Dagger 5, Dagger 4. Pop CA. Spam 2, tap 3, 5, and optionally tap 4. Exit CA, and reposition out of range while your Jacaranda uses their Entangle. Optionally, you can use your Signet/Entangle for more damage, but that's up to you.

This basically gives you a strong engage, massive AoE, stacks a ton of condis, and can clear large packs of mobs in seconds. It massacres breakbars and provides tons of sustainable might (I frequently hit 25 might without any real issues, though staying at 25 was a challenge). The damage is around 13k Single Target without any raid buffs or food, and that's just with Longbow, no weapon swaps (I was running staff on my weapon swap when testing, because I use staff in T4 fractals to build CA/heal and I prefer staff for movement/support open world). So with axe, the damage definitely goes much higher.

All of this damage, plus CC, makes it really hard to go down in any real scenario. The sustain you get from having bonus heals on CA + 9k healing from Water Spirit makes this an ez mode build for survival. If you don't like spirits, you could swap to Wilderness Survival and take 3/1/3, and pick your own utilities/heal.

For Food, it's your choice on what to take. I have some cheap food I cycle through for healing (Holo Drumstick and Delicious Rice Ball) which can bump up your heals with Druid's 2/1/2. You'd also take staff with this and replace Storm Spirit with Stone Spirit, and Signet of the Wild with Search and Rescue. Of course, Glyph of the Stars, too. For offensive food, lean towards Precision/Ferocity or Condi. Condi will get you more value overall, but really, you're pumping out so much control and CC that food choice doesn't matter so much as hitting your buttons.

I take Quickness on Longbow as it's my engage, and it basically preps for a speedy CA rotation. The less time in CA = the more Astral power you save, so getting your 3/4/5 out ASAP is important. Having a ton of Concentration (81%) is also very useful. If you don't mind losing Concentration/Survival/Utility, you can take a Berserker longbow to maximize the Power damage, but it's up to you.

Keep in mind that while in Stealth, spirits won't break Stealth. You can actually place spirits on mobs/players before engaging, which is kinda important. Additionally, you can save your dodges as a CC cleanse, and you can use CA 2 to clear Root/Slows/Chills that bother you.

Overall, this build is solid, and won't even need Axe next patch to be effective. It's not a great starter build, but it's a fun way to play more of a Stealthy/Disruption Druid, allowing you to pop in and out of action while providing cover in the form of Blinds/Daze. It's a ton of fun, and really gives you the feeling of control.

[Ranger with mace I think not]

No shield?

[(Opinion/Rant) What's your worst story mission in Gw2/Expansions?]

1 hour ago, DanAlcedo.3281 said:

So, I didn't read your post before thinking about the worst one and my mind went to Joons Home. 

Girl, the god kitten World is ending and you are throwing a tantrum that you are not awesome enough? Jesus. 

Also the BS of the shield protecting the door? I seriously would have burned the house down to get her. 

You can cry later. We have a world to save. 

I seriously wished the Commander just kicked down the door and fought her on this. Diplomacy is not an option at this point of the story, it should be do or die. Like for real - be the bad guy for 2 seconds to be the good guy for the rest of written history. "Sorry I broke your door, but the time for coddling emotionally immature adults is over."

[(Opinion/Rant) What's your worst story mission in Gw2/Expansions?]

Have you ever come across a mission that hit every "this is terribly designed and paced" nail on the head? One story chapter that you absolutely despise above all else.

Because Weight of the World (End of Dragons) somehow fits this perfectly. Let me tell you, the story intro to this chapter is great. You enter, you're pulled into a small instance with Soo-Won, you fight some Void, and you learn about the sheer urgency of your quest. That if you don't move now, it's GG, game over. And when you leave this instance, your character is legitimately angry and urgent to make progress. I was highly motivated to take some DRASTIC action forward and press on, kick down some doors, and demand answers.

Queue the follow up! "Weight of the World". After saying you're not going to do any more talking or playing by the rules, you go out to do some talking and play by the rules. This is the biggest break in immersion you could ask for. I was pumped to fight some baddies, maybe stumble upon Joon's lair being over run by Void or something - instead, you're brought in, and... everything is perfectly fine. Except Joon is crying and making everything about her. You know what? That's fine. I can get over that. End of Dragons was a great story so far, but I can deal with one frustratingly paced chapter - whatever.

And then you're pushed into a Jade tech puzzle. Go collect batteries, haha! Reroute power for 15 minutes. 🙂 Aurene isn't holding off the power of an Elder Dragon alongside Caithe, isn't literally fighting the Void as you make funny quips about jade tech, haha. And you know what? I could deal with that. I could manage it just fine. I wasn't frustrated because of how shoehorned in this felt, noo. Of course Joon doesn't want to talk. She's a progeny of Jade-Tech science, it's not like this has happened a dozen times before where a character wants to fight instead of deal with their emotions in literally any capable manner.

So you go through her mansion and dig through all of her books and belongings while dealing with *really* forced puzzles. Fine. Do that, move on, you're finally right in front of her. And you give her your Aetherblade evidence, and she STILL doesn't want to have a normal conversation. So you know what she does? Why, she wants to fight because she's sad! Like 90% of other encounters with an NPC you're supposed to talk to, it somehow ends in a fight. Again. *Great.* I can deal with this. I'm used to these story beats at this point, and while it's not a bad plot point, there comes a time when it starts to grate on you. And this? It grates on me.

But then the "fight" started. Kill mob, smash battery. Easy. Right? Haha! This is a personal problem, now. Because the platforms, of course they move. So while I'm breezing through this and about to get my speedy completion achievement, the platform beneath my feet springs up, and clips me inside.

I was then imprisoned in baby jail. My first solution was to see if the pulsing floor smasher would kill me, costing me my achievement progress (and forcing me to redo this instance later). Nope. It pulses SO SLOWLY, I drop combat and heal 120% of the damage it does to me. Okay, I can't die.

I struggle until my speedy completion achievement fails, until I manage to clip my jade bot (which has horrible controls and moves like lubed butter over polished glass) outside of the baby gate I was trapped in. Now, this wouldn't do anything for ANY class in the game, except two: Mechanist, and any spec of Ranger.

And I was playing my Druid. Lucky. So I was able to target the mobs 1 at a time, and command my pet to kill them. In the meanwhile, I had to reclip my jade bot back in-bounds and raise/lower platforms (except the one I'm stuck in - obviously this is one of the six that does NOT move) so my Pet could run over and attack the next mob. This bug took me 30+ minutes alone.
I entered this instance at 06:00. I finished it at 07:10. Not because of a lack of skill, or missing signs. But because of poor design and horrendous bug testing.

What's your horrendous encounters with story instances? Please, don't let me be the only one who vents here. Surely there's at least a few others who had a bad time and wanna talk about it.

[Nature Magic - thoughts?]

I really like the Spirit changes, first off. Not a fan of their inability to sustain themselves at 100% concentration, but their slam mechanic is a lot of fun. Double Slam in Nature means I can pump out 2 blinds with Sun Spirit, while passing out 8 stacks of an extremely long duration might. At the same time, the 6 stacks of burning lasts far longer than Flame Trap, and deals significantly more damage with a much larger range and utility effect. So in a lot of situations, that's just flat out better. After a bit of digging, with a prime DPS set up, you could churn out 40k damage from it. Not bad for a utility at all.

Stone Spirit feels like a panic button, and not something you drop at random. Don't know if that's a good thing considering how common chip damage is, and how often people *need* protection.

I don't know if I'd take Frost Spirit when I have something like Healing Spring on hand. Maybe as a situational for certain raids, but again, Healing Spring tends to cover that. Maybe it could have Stun Break tacked on? But then it wouldn't fit as a condi-cleanse so much as a panic button.

Lightning Spirit hits decently hard, but it still can't compare to Sun Spirit in terms of raw damage. I feel like it needs1 second of quickness tacked on (4 applied, 8 with max concentration). Or it could break stun instead of Water Spirit. A stun break spirit that applies CC would be great, and I feel like people would take it in PvP. Fury alone isn't a selling point, and so many classes pump out Vulnerability that it's really not needed. It's close to what it should be, though, I'll give it that.

Now, for the actual tree itself, it's definitely an improvement over the original. WN churns out a lot of healing when you place Healing Spring, because it has no internal cooldown. This is a good thing, and makes it a great trait, even without a warhorn. I'm not a fan of nuking my pet - really, swapping pets all the time shouldn't be needed to maintain some boons. Some fights you really need a specific Pet available to you, others it doesn't matter at all - but I digress.

Overall, it's a good tree for supporting your team now, even without Druid. Though some changes could be made in the future to improve it.

[[Suggestions]QoL (Quality of Life) Ideas [Merged]]

"Default Cursor Position" toggle in the options menu. When this is enabled, the following happens:

When toggling Action Camera off, reset the cursor position to the center of the screen (where the aiming reticle was just moments ago.)

Why: That way the player always knows where the mouse is when they take off Action Camera, making menus, clicking on specific enemies/players, and placing targets consistent and easy.

Example how it currently works: You toggle Action Camera off by opening your Bag. After closing your bag by clicking the X or hitting escape, the cursor position is saved to its current position and you are entered into Action Camera again. You enter combat two minutes later, and attempt to drop a Barrage on a small group of mobs. Because you didn't manually reset the cursor position, you have to spend a moment hunting for your cursor in the sea of bodies, and accidentally overshoot your Barrage AoE.

Example with Default Cursor Position enabled: You close your inventory, and your cursor vanishes as you enter Action Camera mode. When you engage enemies and attempt to drop barrage 2 minutes later, when you toggle Action Camera off, your mouse is placed in the center of the screen. Since it is always placed there, you know exactly where it's going to be, it's consistent, and you land the Barrage in your target area without losing the mouse in the chaos.

A small change like this would save me from constantly toggling action camera on and off 24/7 just to make sure the mouse is set in my aiming reticle for consistency.

[Core Story Rework]

When can we expect a Core story update? Overall, the story isn't bad. It's the implementation that's severely lacking. After recently completing it, I feel it's fair to say why it's a poor introduction to the game by today's standards.

1. There's too many cutscenes. Very few can be skipped. In fact, if you cut out every single cutscene, the story would drastically improve. This is because the majority of these cutscenes are just "fly bys" with the camera, as NPCs clip through terrain and fall through the world/run through walls to reach their next position.

2. It utilizes the old dialogue menu at least 3 times per mission. You know, the cutscene where your character sits on one side of the screen, and the NPC you're talking to sits on the other. This is poorly done compared to today's standards, where most NPCs simply talk to you in-world.

3. The difficulty has not scaled at all with the changes over the years. It's too easy, even for incredibly new players.

4. The final few chapters are a SLOG to get through. The battle with Zaitain (Zhaitan? Zha... whatever.) Is incredibly anti-climatic, and I dozed off at one point when manning the canons.

Like, if you just removed the cutscenes and had the NPCs talk entirely in-world, not only would this speed up the process dramatically, but it would improve the entire experience. It really just needs some trimming and small changes here and there to really improve this story. Also, speeding up the Trehearne bits by about 50% overall would really make the core game something worth playing.