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@Obtena.7952 said:

@Diviora.9548 said:

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@Obtena.7952 said:GS2 will not be insta, ever. We can see from the skill design that it's not inline with how the devs intend for it to work. There are lots of skills that apply damage in this manner, so it's not a flukeHow many times i need to tell you to go and spam on someone else post ur toxic

No, I'm not toxic because I disagree with you ... though I could say you are toxic for acting out the way you are against the people that disagree with you. Forums are a place of discussion. You post your idea here so people can discuss what's good and what's bad about it. If you can't handle that criticism in a more mature manner, you shouldn't post your ideas.

The fact is that the reasoning you are presenting for your idea is faulty ... almost every weapon skill works as you describe, allowing players to counter the damage. Nothing about GS should lead anyone to think its exceptional in any way to make it so it's skills can't be countered either. It's a completely nonsensical way to think about ANY skill for PVP ... a skill needs to be very special to be really hard to counter ... and that's the situation we have in GW2. There aren't many skills that are really difficult to counter and there is good reason for it.

Until you understand this, your idea doesn't make sense for the reason you present. GS2 shouldn't be insta cast just because you don't like the idea that people can counter it in PVP. It's irrelevant where it works or doesn't for you. You are clearly not the ultimate authority on this, nor do you seem even qualified to speak about it for the majority of players. The whole idea is absurd and even when challenged to think of ANY reason to make GS2 insta ... there are none.

If you don't like how GS works in PVP ... don't use it. There are other choices. The reason you can't take it farther than plat 2 isn't because of the weapon, it's because of you as a player.

GS dont work end of story

Sure

for you

it doesn't work. If it didn't work for everyone, you wouldn't be the only person making these posts. That means it's a player skill issue, not a problem with how GS is designed.

I doubt Anet is going to make an IWIN button just for you ... but if you think poorly reasoned forum posts can change that, I would LOVE to see how that works out.

Tell me how great GS is ? the fact that we dont see player in plat 2 and above is bc i dont have skill ? or just the weapon have terrible design and dont work this is a fact GS sux and ppl pref to play something that work FB EGIS etc even if GOD OF PVP player take Guard and master with GS will never go high rating GS dont work if you think it does you are WRONG and you are the one who cant take the facts not me

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@"RUNICBLACK.7630" said:Ok as much as find this entertaining you are wasting your time and everybody else's if you had any legitimate argument you might have a few more people defending your viewpoint as it is pretty much nobody is, I have and still do use GS in PvE , PvP , WvW , etc and while it isn't always my go to weapon it is still VERY useful in many situations . LOOK at Snowcrows guide for raids etc they use GS on many of the different RAID build for both DH and FB, LOOK at Metabattle there are many builds for PvP , PvE, and WvW that use GS if you refuse to even look or listen to anyone else who have been playing the class in ALL of these different game modes and has been doing it successfully ergo you are not using it properly or you are missing something critical in how you play. I do not claim to be an expert but I will check out other players that are playing my preferred class better than I am to possibly learn how to improve if you refuse to even consider the possibility that you are mistaken or that you can learn from these other people than there is absolutely "No Way That You Are Going To Get Anyone To Respect Or Listen To Your Viewpoint!" because all I'm seeing coming from you is unfounded circular logic to defend your opinion( because you haven't posted ANY facts just your opinion) and when that fails you fall back to "Your wrong I'm Right and that they are annoying you." If this is an example of explaining "your viewpoint" and defending "your opinion" it has failed profoundly and you really haven't swayed anybody . Please go look at those resources and check out some other streamers online that play Guardians in the different game modes they are out there and while the Guardian doesn't dominate right now we aren't dead in the water either and I am certain that you will see players using the GS successfully.

if i want to play PVE i will go and play the witcher 3 but here go 1 fact for you guard GS dont work in plat 2 and above you guys clearly dont play plat 2 and above and you are comparing PVE stuff and low elo PVP this is 2012 weapon design and its bad and not working in new meta pvp bc new meta pvp get updatet you guys just dont like changes and get angry on one small change from spin to instant WHAt ? stay in gold and think the weapon is good bc you one shot someone :D if you think that 3 ppl told me GS is perfec you are WRONG gs in very bad in high elo PVP games

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@Lahmia.2193 said:A fairly obvious outdated part of Guardian Greatsword would be the rooting on skill 4. Need I remind everyone that Reaper Greatsword 4 also had this same rooting animation during HoT beta, but anet changed it to the current mobile animation. They could do the same for Guardian.

they need to make GS 2 instant nothing else

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@Obtena.7952 said:If you say so ... lots of people disagree with that. It's not a fact that GS don't work ... GS works just like everything else.

GS dont work

Based on what? The fact that it can be countered? That's nonsense.

GS dont work

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@Obtena.7952 said:If you say so ... lots of people disagree with that. It's not a fact that GS don't work ... GS works just like everything else.

GS dont work

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@"Obtena.7952" said:What does that even mean? Sounds to me like GS guard counter is just people playing ... smart. There isn't a problem with that. That is exactly how PVP should work.

For the very reason you talk about what benefit GS2 would have from instacast is THE reason it shouldn't be changed to instacast.

So PVP is every spec counter GS guard what ? and "There isn't a problem with that. That is exactly how PVP should work. "and instant cast is needed for GS 2 bc GS dont counter anything even if we get instan cast probably not change much you dont know how PVP workbasically you are saying its ok guards to be shit and get kitten and not have working weapons for damage its ok to be shit are you seriously????????????compare to other specs this instan damage is nothing you clearly dont play high rate GS guard you dont know what you are talking about go spam to someone else post !

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@Obtena.7952 said:This request doesn't really make sense ... outdated ... like how? Somehow what GS does doesn't work right anymore? I don't see it.

So you think core medi guard with GS work ? everyone can kite you and outheal your damage if it works why almost no one plays core medi guard in plat 2 and why its not meta if GS "work" ?

Let me flip that back on you ... GS doesn't work because people know how to play in PVP? OTHER melee weapons DON'T get kited in PVP?

No, don't be wrong here ... there isn't something wrong with GS because you get kited and people heal your damage in PVP .. that's literally ABSURD.

Do you even play pvp ? and do you play with core guard with GS ?

Yes and Yes I have. That doesn't change the fact the idea that Anet need to change weapon skills because people can dodge and heal them is completely absurd.

Gs second spell is all the burst core guard have so if everyone can dodge and heal whats the point to take GS orher specs can spam damage Gs guard cant and no you are not plat atleast with core guard if you was you will know how predictable Gs spells are Gs 2 can be dodge or just pop any def and your burst if gone Gs 3 is good Gs 4 is trash who in his mind will stay in it when you use Gs 4 no one Gs 5 is good YOU are not core guard plat player pls dont type here anymore i dont want to argue with person who have the need to have opinion on everything and argue for the sake of argue just dont and again if GS work we are gona see core guards left and right in plat 2 and above but we dont even if Anet buff guards and Gs 2 do more damage will suck again to use it its not good spell hf :)

OK ... but this isn't an argument for the sake of it ... it's just common sense. There isn't anything wrong with GS because people can dodge or heal the DPS from it in PVP. That's nonsense.

Dude there is a reason why ppl pref to play one shot hammer in the past instead GS but hammer go nerf GS dont work you cant beat anyone 1v1 with GS just Gs dont work every other spec have damage to spam and im asking for 1 thing to change instead for spin damage for instant damage and you its not even full rework of the weapon same abilities only Gs 2 will be instan the spin is not working for me if we dont land the spin to have pressure we (guards) are dead or need to run for reset

Right ... but there still isn't a convincing argument for changing weapon skills because people can dodge or heal the DPS in PVP ... that's a nonsense reason.

So you think is ok to have only 1 spell for damage and get outheal and kitten ? and the rest specs can spam whatever they want ? are you afraid that if GS get instant damage you will get rekt or something i dont get it if you think guard GS is perfect you are WRONG

There are tons of spells that people can dodge and outheal ... that's why your complaint makes no sense. Gs is not exceptional because people can heal and dodge attacks from it, so that's not a good reason to change it.

its good idea bc its the only damage and burst GS guard have other specs can spam spells

That doesn't make sense. Just because it's a burst doesn't mean people shouldn't be able to dodge or heal the damage from it.

How many times i need to tell you guards have only 1 spell for damage other specs CAN SPAM DAMAGE YOU ARE STARTING TO ANNOY ME VERY HARD

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@Obtena.7952 said:This request doesn't really make sense ... outdated ... like how? Somehow what GS does doesn't work right anymore? I don't see it.

So you think core medi guard with GS work ? everyone can kite you and outheal your damage if it works why almost no one plays core medi guard in plat 2 and why its not meta if GS "work" ?

Let me flip that back on you ... GS doesn't work because people know how to play in PVP? OTHER melee weapons DON'T get kited in PVP?

No, don't be wrong here ... there isn't something wrong with GS because you get kited and people heal your damage in PVP .. that's literally ABSURD.

Do you even play pvp ? and do you play with core guard with GS ?

Yes and Yes I have. That doesn't change the fact the idea that Anet need to change weapon skills because people can dodge and heal them is completely absurd.

Gs second spell is all the burst core guard have so if everyone can dodge and heal whats the point to take GS orher specs can spam damage Gs guard cant and no you are not plat atleast with core guard if you was you will know how predictable Gs spells are Gs 2 can be dodge or just pop any def and your burst if gone Gs 3 is good Gs 4 is trash who in his mind will stay in it when you use Gs 4 no one Gs 5 is good YOU are not core guard plat player pls dont type here anymore i dont want to argue with person who have the need to have opinion on everything and argue for the sake of argue just dont and again if GS work we are gona see core guards left and right in plat 2 and above but we dont even if Anet buff guards and Gs 2 do more damage will suck again to use it its not good spell hf :)

OK ... but this isn't an argument for the sake of it ... it's just common sense. There isn't anything wrong with GS because people can dodge or heal the DPS from it in PVP. That's nonsense.

Dude there is a reason why ppl pref to play one shot hammer in the past instead GS but hammer go nerf GS dont work you cant beat anyone 1v1 with GS just Gs dont work every other spec have damage to spam and im asking for 1 thing to change instead for spin damage for instant damage and you its not even full rework of the weapon same abilities only Gs 2 will be instan the spin is not working for me if we dont land the spin to have pressure we (guards) are dead or need to run for reset

Right ... but there still isn't a convincing argument for changing weapon skills because people can dodge or heal the DPS in PVP ... that's a nonsense reason.

So you think is ok to have only 1 spell for damage and get outheal and kitten ? and the rest specs can spam whatever they want ? are you afraid that if GS get instant damage you will get rekt or something i dont get it if you think guard GS is perfect you are WRONG

There are tons of spells that people can dodge and outheal ... that's why your complaint makes no sense. Gs is not exceptional because people can heal and dodge attacks from it, so that's not a good reason to change it.

its good idea bc its the only damage and burst GS guard have other specs can spam spells

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@Yannir.4132 said:

@"Diviora.9548" said:"can help win a 1v1" but cant beat anyone 1v1 how is this a good weapon warrior GS 2 work way better bc they have cc if guard spec in signets for extra cc we lose healing from medi spells and condy clear guard GS is bad end of story it was bad in 2012 its bad now but then we didnt had all new elite specs and now we feel how bad it is

You have an argument here, it's just for the wrong thing. If the traits are bad, you fix the traits. Not something unrelated like Greatsword. If anything, it could do with some more damage but that's about it. You don't go re-working it. It's a good skill, just overshadowed by powercreep.Warriors GS2 is a kitten horrible skill if you can't lock your opponent down, like if Bull's Rush is on CD.

What is more easy to change 1 thing on 1 weapon or to completely rework traits and we saw from 2012-2019 they did changes and nothing work just dont tell me GS guard is good bc is not

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@Obtena.7952 said:

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@Diviora.9548 said:

@Obtena.7952 said:This request doesn't really make sense ... outdated ... like how? Somehow what GS does doesn't work right anymore? I don't see it.

So you think core medi guard with GS work ? everyone can kite you and outheal your damage if it works why almost no one plays core medi guard in plat 2 and why its not meta if GS "work" ?

Let me flip that back on you ... GS doesn't work because people know how to play in PVP? OTHER melee weapons DON'T get kited in PVP?

No, don't be wrong here ... there isn't something wrong with GS because you get kited and people heal your damage in PVP .. that's literally ABSURD.

Do you even play pvp ? and do you play with core guard with GS ?

Yes and Yes I have. That doesn't change the fact the idea that Anet need to change weapon skills because people can dodge and heal them is completely absurd.

Gs second spell is all the burst core guard have so if everyone can dodge and heal whats the point to take GS orher specs can spam damage Gs guard cant and no you are not plat atleast with core guard if you was you will know how predictable Gs spells are Gs 2 can be dodge or just pop any def and your burst if gone Gs 3 is good Gs 4 is trash who in his mind will stay in it when you use Gs 4 no one Gs 5 is good YOU are not core guard plat player pls dont type here anymore i dont want to argue with person who have the need to have opinion on everything and argue for the sake of argue just dont and again if GS work we are gona see core guards left and right in plat 2 and above but we dont even if Anet buff guards and Gs 2 do more damage will suck again to use it its not good spell hf :)

OK ... but this isn't an argument for the sake of it ... it's just common sense. There isn't anything wrong with GS because people can dodge or heal the DPS from it in PVP. That's nonsense.

Dude there is a reason why ppl pref to play one shot hammer in the past instead GS but hammer go nerf GS dont work you cant beat anyone 1v1 with GS just Gs dont work every other spec have damage to spam and im asking for 1 thing to change instead for spin damage for instant damage and you its not even full rework of the weapon same abilities only Gs 2 will be instan the spin is not working for me if we dont land the spin to have pressure we (guards) are dead or need to run for reset

Right ... but there still isn't a convincing argument for changing weapon skills because people can dodge or heal the DPS in PVP ... that's a nonsense reason.

So you think is ok to have only 1 spell for damage and get outheal and kitten ? and the rest specs can spam whatever they want ? are you afraid that if GS get instant damage you will get rekt or something i dont get it if you think guard GS is perfect you are WRONG

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@"Mysticjedi.6053" said:Most of this thread is either learn to play issues or silliness.

Greatsword is a good weapon. When traited right it can help win a 1v1. Everyone can heal through every attack of any class, if you know it is coming.

If you want to improve something look at longbow 2, 3, and 5, mace speed, hammer 5, scepter range and accuracy, or updating concentrations, shouts, and a majority of Guardian traits.

"can help win a 1v1" but cant beat anyone 1v1 how is this a good weapon warrior GS 2 work way better bc they have cc if guard spec in signets for extra cc we lose healing from medi spells and condy clear guard GS is bad end of story it was bad in 2012 its bad now but then we didnt had all new elite specs and now we feel how bad it is

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@Yannir.4132 said:

@Diviora.9548 said:Dude there is a reason why ppl pref to play one shot hammer in the past instead GS but hammer go nerf GS dont work you cant beat anyone 1v1 with GS just Gs dont work every other spec have damage to spam and im asking for 1 thing to change instead for spin damage for instant damage and you its not even full rework of the weapon same abilities only Gs 2 will be instan the spin is not working for me if we dont land the spin to have pressure we (guards) are dead or need to run for reset

What you want wouldn't fix this problem you present. You'd still need to run for a reset if you don't land the burst.

Guardian has always had this second weapon set issue in Damage PvP builds. Sw/F is a rather good set but then what else do you pick? Hammer is clunky, GS has almost no utility, Shield is for support builds, Torch is unreliable and doesn't work on power buiilds and Scepter has issues hitting things that move. Mace and Staff lack damage. Longbow kinda fixed the issue for DH with good range but then it was nerfed into wet noodle levels of damage. Not to mention that Core builds have a triple-traitline synergy that just doesn't work on DH. The last patch made some of these better but it didn't fix the issues.

If the GS 2 is instant damage will be much easier to land the burst

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@Obtena.7952 said:

@Diviora.9548 said:

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@Diviora.9548 said:

@Obtena.7952 said:This request doesn't really make sense ... outdated ... like how? Somehow what GS does doesn't work right anymore? I don't see it.

So you think core medi guard with GS work ? everyone can kite you and outheal your damage if it works why almost no one plays core medi guard in plat 2 and why its not meta if GS "work" ?

Let me flip that back on you ... GS doesn't work because people know how to play in PVP? OTHER melee weapons DON'T get kited in PVP?

No, don't be wrong here ... there isn't something wrong with GS because you get kited and people heal your damage in PVP .. that's literally ABSURD.

Do you even play pvp ? and do you play with core guard with GS ?

Yes and Yes I have. That doesn't change the fact the idea that Anet need to change weapon skills because people can dodge and heal them is completely absurd.

Gs second spell is all the burst core guard have so if everyone can dodge and heal whats the point to take GS orher specs can spam damage Gs guard cant and no you are not plat atleast with core guard if you was you will know how predictable Gs spells are Gs 2 can be dodge or just pop any def and your burst if gone Gs 3 is good Gs 4 is trash who in his mind will stay in it when you use Gs 4 no one Gs 5 is good YOU are not core guard plat player pls dont type here anymore i dont want to argue with person who have the need to have opinion on everything and argue for the sake of argue just dont and again if GS work we are gona see core guards left and right in plat 2 and above but we dont even if Anet buff guards and Gs 2 do more damage will suck again to use it its not good spell hf :)

OK ... but this isn't an argument for the sake of it ... it's just common sense. There isn't anything wrong with GS because people can dodge or heal the DPS from it in PVP. That's nonsense.

Dude there is a reason why ppl pref to play one shot hammer in the past instead GS but hammer go nerf GS dont work you cant beat anyone 1v1 with GS just Gs dont work every other spec have damage to spam and im asking for 1 thing to change instead for spin damage for instant damage and you its not even full rework of the weapon same abilities only Gs 2 will be instan the spin is not working for me if we dont land the spin to have pressure we (guards) are dead or need to run for reset

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@Kulvar.1239 said:That's the same as an Elementalist asking for Meteor Shower to deal all its damage in one hit on all the area.Just because it's partially avoidable in PvP doesn't means it's bad. It's how you balance a skill between PvE and PvP.Also, it's a good way to force opponents to waste their dodge so you can land other skills afterwards.

It doesn't need to change because you can't bother playing it tactically.

What skills auto atacks ? if you miss guard gs 2 you dont have dmg anymore even if you swap to sword and do 3 same thing guards are not eles to spam abilities over and over again

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@Obtena.7952 said:

@Diviora.9548 said:

@Obtena.7952 said:

@Diviora.9548 said:

@Obtena.7952 said:This request doesn't really make sense ... outdated ... like how? Somehow what GS does doesn't work right anymore? I don't see it.

So you think core medi guard with GS work ? everyone can kite you and outheal your damage if it works why almost no one plays core medi guard in plat 2 and why its not meta if GS "work" ?

Let me flip that back on you ... GS doesn't work because people know how to play in PVP? OTHER melee weapons DON'T get kited in PVP?

No, don't be wrong here ... there isn't something wrong with GS because you get kited and people heal your damage in PVP .. that's literally ABSURD.

Do you even play pvp ? and do you play with core guard with GS ?

Yes and Yes I have. That doesn't change the fact the idea that Anet need to change weapon skills because people can dodge and heal them is completely absurd.

Gs second spell is all the burst core guard have so if everyone can dodge and heal whats the point to take GS orher specs can spam damage Gs guard cant and no you are not plat atleast with core guard if you was you will know how predictable Gs spells are Gs 2 can be dodge or just pop any def and your burst if gone Gs 3 is good Gs 4 is trash who in his mind will stay in it when you use Gs 4 no one Gs 5 is good YOU are not core guard plat player pls dont type here anymore i dont want to argue with person who have the need to have opinion on everything and argue for the sake of argue just dont and again if GS work we are gona see core guards left and right in plat 2 and above but we dont even if Anet buff guards and Gs 2 do more damage will suck again to use it its not good spell hf :)

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@Obtena.7952 said:

@Diviora.9548 said:

@Obtena.7952 said:This request doesn't really make sense ... outdated ... like how? Somehow what GS does doesn't work right anymore? I don't see it.

So you think core medi guard with GS work ? everyone can kite you and outheal your damage if it works why almost no one plays core medi guard in plat 2 and why its not meta if GS "work" ?

Let me flip that back on you ... GS doesn't work because people know how to play in PVP? OTHER melee weapons DON'T get kited in PVP?

No, don't be wrong here ... there isn't something wrong with GS because you get kited and people heal your damage in PVP .. that's literally ABSURD.

Do you even play pvp ? and do you play with core guard with GS ?

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@"SilverMoonFlare.2984" said:Well, GS can use an update.AA chain is kinda meh.GS 2 is by far one of the most poorly designed skills in the game. What other skill requires you to stay inside of your enemy's hitbox to do full damage? All because of that useless gimmick with "hurling projectiles". Should get a hurl bag for those.GS 5 has incredibly poor aim. It's almost as bad as Torch 4 aim - you can use it point-blank and it will still miss the target half of the time.

I think that GS 5 will be good with GS 2 instant damage the combo will be fast and simple not like now you 5 then you spin 7 times and dont hit anything bc ppl dodge

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@"Obtena.7952" said:This request doesn't really make sense ... outdated ... like how? Somehow what GS does doesn't work right anymore? I don't see it.

So you think core medi guard with GS work ? everyone can kite you and outheal your damage if it works why almost no one plays core medi guard in plat 2 and why its not meta if GS "work" ?

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@otto.5684 said:

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@Nath Forge Tempete.1645 said:

@Diviora.9548 said:Because its outdated spell and everyone (PVP) can see the animation and dodge it thats why

Actually core guard rely on this specific skill and god knows it works super well. You just don't know how to play GS effectively (no offense)

i know how it works i play with core guard in plat 2 and it sux "wokrs super well" in silver and gold but in plat vs better players its not good this is the change that core guards need to be able to be competitive in high rate games !

GS 2 has no issues at all in any game. And GS in general does not either. Guardian has significant issues, but GS is not an issue.

Before RI nerf core guardian with GS was performing well.

Gs second ability is outdated and need to be change the other abilitys are good i will give you example in league of legends old champions cant beat newer champs same thing here old spec cant beat newer elite specs and need changes to be up to date with everyone instan damage from second Gs spell is needed ! sorry for my bad english

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@Nath Forge Tempete.1645 said:

@"Diviora.9548" said:Because its outdated spell and everyone (PVP) can see the animation and dodge it thats why

Actually core guard rely on this specific skill and god knows it works super well. You just don't know how to play GS effectively (no offense)

i know how it works i play with core guard in plat 2 and it sux "wokrs super well" in silver and gold but in plat vs better players its not good this is the change that core guards need to be able to be competitive in high rate games !

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Because its outdated spell and everyone (PVP) can see the animation and dodge it thats why

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Gs second spell need rework instead spin 7 times reworked version need to spin 1 time with all the damage just like warrior F1