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Oh for sure. I very much appreciate all the insights from everyone. Definitely helped to put things in better perspective.

No I understand that now. Took some hardcore breaking it down by some folks but I do get it. However I still have this issue, Symbiosis which is the dedicated damage buff, it's not doing 40k dps single target. The only trait that was allowing 40k dps was FF. That being said only a certain skill level could achieve that. So not many people could even see those numbers. I understand it reduces the cooldown of core abilities and all that including heals and cc. However with several other classes/specs doing over 40k single target. It just pulls away that much more from people wanting to play this spec because it can no longer pull the same numbers others can. Which is mainly what that 1% of players that can do well with Untamed are going for. To compare the grandmaster traits of Untamed it's pretty much just a perma damage buff and a heal on damage and protection buff which means nothing for damage output. But when that perma damage buff doesn't see the same numbers other classes and specs do that 1% will no longer be interested because they will never be top dps. Which is the goal of many of those top players. Whether they want to admit it or not.

Must be doing too many 42 fractal farms lately lol. Ricochet is a monster on that fight.

Thanks for breaking it down like that. Wasn't trying to fixate, but was trying to figure out the root cause of why it was valued so low but yet called op. Was a bit confusing to me. It is a one stop shop, just glad i was able to enjoy it while I could. Haven't played for ten years or anything like that but I'm at least skilled enough to get high numbers with FF Untamed. I get the same numbers on my Power Weaver so it's not the only thing i can do, gonna take some getting used to how squishy Ele is.

I guess that's part of what is confusing me. If it's the single best DPS then why is it valued so low on all the lists and in many players' opinions. Everyone says Soulbeast is the best and so do the lists. Just confused on how FF Untamed can be seen as so OP yet valued so low at the same time. Yes i know ricochet is op on alot of fights, but how can Soulbeast be the best if FF Untamed is so OP.

I understand where you're coming from. However if it's a cc chain in pvp or wvw then nerf it for wvw and pvp only. I have seen many traits get that treatment. Where they do one thing in pve but are nerfed when you go into pvp or wvw. If it's the amount of cc in pve i'm confused why that would be an issue i mean the goal is to take care of a breakbar as quick as possible right? I'm honestly sorry if i'm frustrating anyone with this thread. I'm just confused as to why so many people hate it so much.

I appreciate you clearing up the video for me. However Untamed is still not the highest benchmark or wasn't. It wasn't even the second highest. Go look on just about any dps tier list for gw2 and Untamed is always close to the bottom if it's even on there at all. I just don't understand the hate for it. I mean how many Untamed players do you honestly see. Out of those how many do you actually see do it right. Just saying it should've been untouched until they decided how to rework it. If i wanted to rely on auto attack so much i would play Symbiosis.

I mean the dps in the video might not equate to the present then, but in a recent video of the patch notes he still said it should've been left alone or removed and reworked. I mean truthfully i'm sorry if my original statement came off rude. Not trying to be disrespectful to anyone. I would like to say that. Though i still say it makes the trait pointless having to stand there waiting for cooldowns. If i wanted that play style I would just play Symbiosis. Would be cool if they added quickness on successful cc. Let us have some boon support if they want to bring the damage down.

First boss in CM 99 for instance one of the necro has 52k all by themselves and it even zooms in on it lol. Honestly I have been well over 80k with some trash mobs. It has amazing burst but now the sustain sucks. I would be okay with it staying this way if they added quickness or alacrity buff on successful cc. That would be nice to have something to add to a group instead of just losing damage. The thing with Untamed is the numbers shoot down the more you mess up on it. Drops by a lot and this nerf pretty much just makes it act like you're messing up on the rotation. Thats it.

Did you watch the right video? "The ULTIMATE fractal cheese comp for easy clears!" Was crazy son. Yea they would of course need something to replace it but they were looking to do that anyway right?

First off, go watch teapots video on cm fractals. Two condi necro scourges doing ridiculous damage one of which was over 52k single target. I honestly loved seeing so many classes doing such high damage. Gives me motivation to get better at what I'm playing.We aren't talking about nerfing the damage of one attack or another. The whole point of Fervent Force was to make a fluid rotation. Having to stand there and wait half the time for cooldowns completely ruins the point of the trait. As i said they should've left it alone or removed it. Even Teapot said this.

Fervent Force should've been left alone or removed and reworked. If I wanted to just stand there and wait for cooldowns i would just play Symbiosis.