Fire X.5184

November 10, 2017

I give it a week, after that I will take my gaming elsewhere. I give it a week because it says that there is 4 more days till they remove the 30 pack adoption mount papers and maybe then they might say something after they are done milking the whales.

November 10, 2017

@Therzin.5894 said:
And if any gets to the end - WP has a point...
Vote with your wallet.
Engage with those that have bought into various cash-shop systems.
Realistically, we are to blame, because as he's saying, people are already running around with those damned skins... Personally, and this has been for awhile for me, in any game, when i see a player having something from a cash shop - i think "that's the kitten that's encouraging the publishers/game-companies to keep doing cash shops"

And this is basically why there's been some backlash against players who feed into this. I don't think anyone's gonna argue that those players are doing so with the ill intention of ruining the game for others. Maybe they're just much better off than a lot of us or enjoy it enough to not mind the cost, but it doesn't change the fact that this money grabbing tactic is a problem. Say other players explain to them and they even start to sort of agree; it doesn't affect them enough to be vocal about it. It's unfortunate that it's come to this but rather than a bunch of us "expendable" players whining that it's having a negative effect on the game and community, ANET's cash cows are also joining the discussion because it's now also affecting

them

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A better business model for this fiasco would hurt literally none of the players, and even if ANET takes a financial hit, I imagine it would be incredibly marginal once you take into account all of the boycotting players are now willing to drop cash and buy stuff again. None of the players are at fault here, ANET's the one pitting the players who care and the players who don't against each other by doing something completely unnecessary.

Again never thought of it that way. Dang you guys are good at this o.o

November 10, 2017

@Ider.1276 said:So, I've been reading (and posting) in this thread for a while. And I've seen a lot of posts from people that are like:"I have bought some of mount lootboxes, didn't get what I want and got burnt, now I feel cheated by this system"or"I know that system is a predatory marketing practice, but couldn't hold myself and bought a bunch"
Guys, if you really feel regret about buying any mount lootboxes, CONTACT SUPPORT AND DEMAND A REFUND. If you are truely against this lootbox fallacy, this is the only way to go. As long as you don't demand a refund, your wallet votes "YES" to lootboxes, no matter what you write in this thread.

Hm...never thought about it that way till now...tip of the hat my good sir

November 10, 2017

@Forged Night.3128 said:Hey, can someone get Angry Joe in on this?? He needs to see this. The only mmo he likes is going down the loot box path. Hell I'm gonna send an e-mail to him myself.

I'm on it!

November 10, 2017

@TheFourthLegacy.9485 said:Yikes, more than 48 since release and still no response from Anet.
As a lot of people have already said, this is pretty bad.The price of the skins is actually fine in my opinion (except the 2000 gems one). It's the RNG aspect of it that I don't like. I would happily pay money for the skins I actually like, because there are a few that are pretty neat, but I'm not going to spend money on this.
I do hope Anet realises they should respond to this. Jim Sterling already made a video about this. If a bigger youtuber gets on this (like AngryJoe as someone suggested, who praised the game when it came out, but hates lootboxes), this game would be kitten.

I agree. See if they make it that I can choose what skin I want then no problems here (other then 2000 gems is a bit much). It's the RNG hands down that is getting everyone upset. If there was no RNG loot boxes this hole outrage would never have happen.

November 10, 2017

@Kimmy.9146 said:I'd like to remind Arenanet and NCsoft that GW2 has a reputation as a customer-friendly game that it is squandering for short-term gains. Many people play this game because they feel that they aren't being milked, and this new course will drive customers away. Most of my friends have decided to stop buying gems until Arenanet reverses course.
Don't squander this community's goodwill.

That's how I feel mate. Good on you.

November 10, 2017

Oh dang we are getting into RL territory here.

November 10, 2017

@Rashagar.8349 said:
@Fire X.5184 said:
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@Fire X.5184 said:
@Deihnyx.6318 said:
@Zero Day.2594 said:
@Deihnyx.6318 said:I am not suggesting anything. They are hurting their own cause by starting a fight between players when it's not the point.Again, people thinking their opinion is automatically righteous are hurting. They're not trying to convince, they're generating conflict.

You're saying they're not at fault, but they are.... they did vote with their wallets, for a long time possibly, and here we are.

Alienate the player base does do something - and it's a direct result from ANet's actions, and those that "voted"...

Aka "people thinking their opinion is automatically righteous".My "vote" is equals to yours, if I didn't have a problem back, I don't have to automatically have one now because you just realized now that RNG is a thing.

People blamed everything they could possibly blame. Anet of course, but also gambling itself, even though so many things in this world are subject to gambling.No selling gambling things to kids? What do you of trading cards?What do you do with RNG items you get in game with gold?What do you of ecto gambling?What do you do of BLC keys?What do you of RNG loot in general?

EVERYTHING is RNG, paid or not, hidden behind "gold" (so potential irl money) or not.And yes, even if you can buy the infamous permanent bank access, given its amount, if you strictly talk gem value it's much higher than these skins, yet somehow it's still wasn't a problem back then.

So KICKING people now, because somehow now the general consensus is that players decided this one wasn't going to pass, while they let it go for years, is absolutely stupid. It's stupid, it alienates players, and that's not gonna get you what you want.

You can either be a silent guy who simply give the feedback that they won't buy mounts until they can select, or you can find people to blame.Blaming it on gambling in general or whales is simply unacceptable.

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@SmirkDog.3160 said:Honestly I've always felt pretty loyal to this game since I first took part in the beta, but this is one of those things that makes me shake my head and actually consider (no matter how briefly) just leaving it behind. Making skins only purchasable in the gem store, sure whatever. But making yet another loot box/gamble item that's already overpriced? Black Lion Chest Keys are 150 each. These are 400? Why?
There's ways to make money with a cash shop that aren't morally corrupt. This isn't one of them. Extremely disappointed in ANet today, and equally disappointed in anyone that falls for this trap.

I totally agree with you, I feel the same :angry:

Oooooh trust me my good sir. I have seen to many people who have fallen into this trap today in LA.

Meh... Honestly the thought of not inviting people with skins into parties/booting them from parties is kind of lingering at this point...

Wait people boot people from parties because they got the new skins?

Not yet - but hey that's one way to further the message.

I think people are doing that now as we speak. I herd from a friend that people are being kicked from guilds because buying the RNG loot box skins is hurting the game.

Congratulations, these people are hurting their own cause.Shame on Anet they said? Nope. Shame on these people.

Hey love hurts as they say. Sometimes you need to have some tough love to know you did something wrong.

They didn't do anything wrong for getting skins they wanted.If you want to show anet they did something that is alienating the playerbase, this is definitely the worst way of doing so, by forcing your opinion down the throat of other players.Next time start kicking people having lots of merchant express or perma bank or whatever. And see how long it lasts.

Did nothing wrong? If you spend any money on something that is this type of RNG loot box corruption, taking advantage of people's addictions and so on your not helping by giving the company who made this gambling system your money. Your part of the problem or you have a problem. But hey i'm just one guy on the net. But I know who can help in this situation. Jim take it away

I am addicted to gambling, I simply won't take the easy path and blame each and every company that uses gambling methods. If you actually open your eyes, gambling is everywhere and this mount thing is the least hurtful we've gotten in a while.

Also it's a funny thing, you basically say that these gambling addicts are victim, but somehow it's not a problem to kick these victims in the name of revolution?Which side wins? Kicking these people or considering them victims?

Also, everyone is responsible for their actions, I am responsible for my addiction as much as a smoker is responsible for his.

Well I am sorry you have a gambling problem but let me be clear. The guild kicking I don't like but the party kicking like many have been saying, some people don't like to play with people who ruin the game for others. I have seen many players in LA saying they don't care what there doing is good or bad for the game so in term why should I or anyone else care if they get kicked from a party.

Guild is one thing but party, there are more fish in the sea as they say. All this mentality of "I don't care I get skins now" is telling anet "hey guys they love this new system let's keep doing it". What is going to happen when the next RNG loot boxes is added? And the next one? And the next one? It will spiral out of control and who will suffer from this? People who have gambling problems and people like myself who love the cosmetics they make and it's all thanks to the people who told me today "I don't care".

Well, if you can successfully delude yourself into thinking that by buying mount skins those people are ruining the game for others and are wrong to do so but your choice to ostracise them based on their gem purchases isn't ruining the game for others and you are right to do so... assuming this isn't just attention-seeking idiocy you're spouting, then I really think you would benefit from some self-reflection.

You don't know how loot boxes work do you....I mean it's not like EA and Activision have had a big controversy over this all ready...oh wait! But all sarcasm aside it is a slippery slope. First it's RNG boxes for skins for mounts, then its RNG boxes for out fits, then its RNG boxes for dye's...oh wait..they already have that...then it's RNG boxes for and dare I say it, gear.

So when I and many other's feel buying the RNG loot boxes for skins will hurt gw2 you better believe it because we have seen it before and if you don't think it will hurt the game/community I implore you to look into the EA and activison controversy

It's exactly because of their big recent controversies that I think that most of this "outrage" bullkitten is misplaced and coming from people who, quite honestly from their posts in this thread, don't know how loot boxes work.They're jumping on an outrage bandwagon because it feels nice, with no actual understanding of the underlying principles or the shades of grey, and a bullthick refusal to educate themselves when they could just instead rely on emotive diatribe, broad sweeping statements and the use of fashionable buzzwords.

It's because people had enough is all. But anyway i'm going to leave it at that, Have a good one.

November 10, 2017

@Deihnyx.6318 said:
@Fire X.5184 said:
@Deihnyx.6318 said:
@Zero Day.2594 said:
@Deihnyx.6318 said:I am not suggesting anything. They are hurting their own cause by starting a fight between players when it's not the point.Again, people thinking their opinion is automatically righteous are hurting. They're not trying to convince, they're generating conflict.