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@"Wrong Device.3014" , About Germany wrote "Vinceman.4572", a link to his post, just above the link to yours.My answer is to both of you.
I am born in 1976. In Moscow, there may have been schools with English. At the school where I studied, only in 2016 appeared.Why did not learn English in the 90s, I already wrote. This lack of teaching (wrote above) and in those years, I perceived English as the language spoken by the Russian mafia that robbed our country.And with German, at school I had big problems, because of the problem with memorizing words.
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@Ol Nik.2518 said:
I am not here to speculate about ArenaNet's decisions and reasoning for them. Neither I have sufficient information for that nor I am interested in that. I am here to support the petition of over 40 000 people who ask for a small quality of life update. I also strongly believe that games marketed to the EU should not deprive EU citizens of communication in their native languages (e.g. Bulgaria is an EU member and uses Cyrillic script).
Я тоже, её подписывал, так что в их числе.
@ "yoni.7015" said:I would say they did not implement it because it is not worth the time and the money because the benefit would not be significant. The player base who would need Cyrillic ingame is too small. And in EU server most use English for that Latin alphabet is enough.
As for the player base, this is a very controversial statement. Now they may be few, while there is no Cyrillic alphabet and localization, and when this is done, then the ratio Latin players and Cyrillic players can be 50/50.
@ "Vinceman.4572" said:
Again: What do you think of the reason why they did not do this for 7 years of the game? You do not believe that it is money, you do not believe that it is a code or opportunities of developers. What is it then, in your opinion, because there is nothing left, imho.
Already answered that: I think it's due to money reasons. Maybe it could also be due to capacity issues and/or priority reasons which - in the end - is basically a money reason.
I don’t know, you played the original game or immediately switched to GW -2.So, in the first one there was Cyrillic and localization, and ANET did not complain about money or other problems.
@ "Vinceman.4572" said:
I already answered to this in previous posts before. Maybe you read them carefully (again).
And Wrong Device. 3014 made a good point: At least in Europe nowadays lots of people are internationally educated so to speak they learned English in school, college and university and are able to communicate with it. Sure, for older people this could be a hurdle for example we have players in the german forum in the age of 50-60 and they haven't learned english or refuse to deal with it. From my point of view it's critical on the one hand I think everyone should be involved in a decent manner on the other hand I think that we are playing an online game from an american company so I can't expect that they are able to cater everything to the customer in the abroad.
@"Wrong Device.3014" said:
It's not 80s. Most eastern "cyrillic" european players know basic English. It's not something cool or outstanding.
And why only Germany ?? I was born in 1976. Under the USSR, English was the language of the elite; it was taught by the children of diplomats and ministers and officers of one organization.In the 90s, it began to be widely used by corrupt officials and crooks.And in these years, learning English, is to equate yourself to them .... And now to learn it late, memory just does not allow ((
@ "lare.5129" said:
One point for non-Cyrillic: if Cyrillic-it is easy to understand that these are not random letters.
That's right, the text will become easily recognizable, as the broadcast confuses the players.Some need to understand the English text, or broadcast, which must be transferred to the Cyrillic alphabet.And for other players, something is not clear in Latin. what is perceived as spam.
@ "Ben K.6238" said:
@ "Vinceman.4572" said:But I ask you one question: How often do you read transliterations in the official map chats (not group, squad or anything else)? I'm on EU and I must tell you: Almost never. People are mostly using the english language to communicate on the EU servers. Of course I can't speak for NA servers, although it would surprise me if the population of russian speaking players would be bigger than on EU.I don't think I've ever seen anyone speaking Russian on the NA servers (aside from the English speakers saying "cyka blyat" as a joke). I have seen frequent WvW map chat in Korean though, and occasionally Spanish, Portuguese and Tagalog. I've seen a few recruitment messages from DB guilds in traditional Chinese but haven't actually seen anyone use it to communicate.English is by far the most common language used for general communication though, with Korean occasionally taking over in late night WvW.I don’t chat at all in the game’s chat, as it’s hard for me to distinguish English from “Russian” Latin. And the translation of the “Russian” Latin into Cyrillic requires more time from me than its reading.
@ "Ol Nick. 2518" said:
You mistakenly believe that people who can’t type their own alphabet use English in chat rooms. They are not. They use what is called transliteration, that is, they use Latin letters to represent the sounds of their native language. In any case, the introduction of a Cyrillic script will greatly simplify the control and moderation of the chat, since the automatic translation software does not work well with transliterations.
There may be more chat abuse reports, but this will be the result of new players joining the game, which is good for the bottom line, right?
I completely agree.
And yes. Here and in the neighboring remote branch, stereotypes sounded, proto, what will happen if there are many speakers of the Cyrillic alphabet, including Russians, in this game.Here's a video of Canadian travel bloggers about their trip to Russia. In the video, the original language. I think this will explain to you that fears are greatly exaggerated. After the trip, they expose false stereotypes.
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@yoni.7015 said:Because it is a minority, most players on EU server are fine with Latin. And the majority ingame doesn’t use Cyrillic, so they would not have any benefit. And as I said priority should be what benefits all players.
And what percentage of those that are on the EU servers speak Russian, Ukrainian, Bulgarian, Belarusian, Serbian (the list can be continued for a long time) ?? That is, those whose language is in Cyrillic, and not in the Latin alphabet.I am also on the EU server and my alphabet is Cyrillic. Or did you decide that Russia has its own server for this game?)))
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@Ol Nik.2518 said:
I think that you are conflating chat support with localisation. This is not what this thread calls for. This thread specifically asks for Cyrillic script support in chats, i.e. players want to be able to write and read in chat using Cyrillic alphabets. No one asks for game translation or support in their native languages.
Ol, if you didn’t notice, then my post was moved to this thread, and in it I’m talking not only about chat, but about localization. And she was asked from the very sale of the game, on this forum and there was a petition to the address of Anet.>
@Ben K.6238 said:
Vietnamese and Tagalog use Latin script for example, and I'd be pretty surprised if ANet has support staff for either of those languages.
If it's not an officially supported language, the company will usually do a best-effort translation using translation software. This does not always provide a great result - I have first-hand experience trying to work this out with Russian chat, which has some rather complicated grammar and complicated profanity to go with it - but game companies usually stipulate in the EULA that they can't guarantee good behaviour from other players.
Ben, automatic translation is really not a panacea. Google, my translator (through which I am writing to you) debugged only this year so that he understood the difference in grammar. Although he is still. He doesn’t understand that if “You” is capitalized, then it will be translated into English, like “Sir” or “Ma'am”.
And playing, using a translator in a browser, is just troublesome. You must go from the game window to the browser window and vice versa.
@Vinceman.4572 said:And who controls the chat reports? I mean every community has its toxicity and if I'm thinking about CS and others, holy moly I heard more russian rages than english ones. So, even if those insults are not understood by the majority of the GW2 community how are you handling that? I think you need more than one support employee to manage all the chat reports and now we are talking about a significant amount of money, not 1-2k dollars once.
It is possible to insult a person and his country in pure English.
@yoni.7015 said:
Main priority should be what benefits all players, not just a minority. And nobody knows if it really would attract new players if they add Cyrillic. I mean it wasn’t a problem for the last seven years.
Why, do you consider it a minority if this language is spoken in 15 countries?
People refuse to buy the game because a translation has not been made. They swear, sitting at the computer, from the fact that it is not clear what the video is talking about, or what the NPC wants with a heart. What can’t be understood, the text of the chat is written in English, or it translates the Russian Latin alphabet.
Well, of course, there were no problems, and about them, here from the very start of the game, they did not write.
@Vinceman.4572 said:
And who controls the chat reports? I mean every community has its toxicity and if I'm thinking about CS and others, holy moly I heard more russian rages than english ones.
Vinceman, you are absolutely wrong in making such statements. Are you a linguist? Are you an expert? Do you know Russian? The answer is you don’t know.
As you were told, when the players write in Latin, you can read, but you can’t understand what this or that word means in English.But you managed to make such a controversial statement that there is sheer swearing.You know that according to the grammar of the Russian language, greeting a person, the sign "!" Is placed at the end of the greeting. ? You saw a short phrase with this sign and interpreted it falsely as a curse.
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@Ol Nik.2518 said:
@Lara Kroft Rus.3954 said:But with the Russian language, everything is different. Yes, 50% of the letters are similar to yours. But the other half of the alphabet does not occur at all in the alphabet of your language. Latin - 26 letters. Cyrillic - 43.Cyrillic alphabet comprises 33 letters.Thank. Google gave the wrong data. But I can’t fix the text (((
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@Rogue.8235 said:
I watched the video. But I did not understand how this video explains with the lack of Cyrillic in the game.
This is for technical support of the game, or localization of the game, you need a staff of workers who speak a specific language.And for the alphabet, it is not required.And when localizing the original game, there were no such problems.And as I wrote at the beginning of the post, the players volunteered to do the translation of the game. And as I heard, the company Mail.ru can take on this work.
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@"flog.3485" said:
Just wondering though, about your last question:Does Japanese, Chinese and Koreans players actually write in their own language when playing in EU/NA servers ? Or rather, can they actually do it ?Furthermore, I could tell you that this comparison is a bit odd because outside of EU/NA (except for China with its own separate game), the population of players from Asia must be so low and therefore irrelevant.
Now here is the real question: is the population of eastern players high enough for GW2 to consider the cost of adding Cyrillic language into the game a worthwhile investment ? Because if the population was as high as you claim it to be, they would have been better off opening a big data server for eastern countries with its own Cyrillic in game language support.
Personally I have no problem with different languages in chat, and Cyrillic in game chat would be as normal as me seeing guild recruitment ads in polish. But so far I have never played or seen any games where different languages that are based on different alphabets are displayed on one single big data server.
Good luck for your request though.
Yes, they really can do it, the blogger INOY Demonstrated this in his video by switching the keyboard to Chinese.I answer the second question. I already wrote that Russian is spoken not only in Russia and in countries near Russia, but also residents of the EU and the USA.A Russian-speaking community is a huge number of players and is not limited to the borders of one country.I will add, in the original game, there was localization and then, ANet had no complaints that it was not profitable.
The Russian-speaking community is not only those for whom the Russian language is native, but also those who study it as a second language.Here's an example of a YouTube blog where a girl from Spain learns Russian and leads, in Russian, her YouTube channel
And the Frenchman does the same
And the last About what you said at the end of the post. The game has several servers with different languages. There is a server in German, French, English and Spanish. In GW -2 there is no server, immediately in all four languages.
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AlexKeks. 9768 is right.In YouTube, there is (in English) an appeal from Russian-speaking players to ANet, asking for a Cyrillic chat.And before that, they asked for localization and even wrote that they were ready to collect the money themselves to pay the costs.And what is the answer? In response, or silence, or refusal to do so.
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Good day Anet and fans of Guild Wars 2.
A few weeks ago, on the game’s maps, a procession of players passed, with posters in the form of chat messages, with requirements for the game’s developer, to introduce the Cyrillic alphabet.
I’ll tell you my opinion, adding the Cyrillic alphabet to the game’s chat is the smallest thing that Anet can do, since the localization of the game is required.
Someone can say why in the game, do you need the Russian language? Who needs it in the game, only for Russia?No friends! It is not only for Russia. It is spoken in other countries where it is taught in schools and institutes.
But besides these countries, which are next to Russia, Russian is taught in language courses and in European countries, which is far from Russia.I, as a YouTube blogger, meet a video: Spaniards, Italians, French, English, and even Americans that learn Russian and make YouTube videos in that Russian on YouTube.Agree that after this, the lack of localization, or at least the Cyrillic alphabet in the chat of the game, looks very strange, like those explanations of Anet that we heard from the first days of the sale of the game.They wrote to me, that Italians also do not have a game in their own language. But I'm sorry, but do Italians write in a different alphabet than the British or the Germans? No, they have Latin and this allows them to chat in Italian, being in the English or German server.But with the Russian language, everything is different. Yes, 50% of the letters are similar to yours. But the other half of the alphabet does not occur at all in the alphabet of your language. Latin - 26 letters. Cyrillic - 43.
Tell me why the Chinese, Japanese and Koreans can chat to write their hieroglyphs, but you can’t write the Cyrillic alphabet? Why is the large European community of players deprived of their language and alphabet in the game ???
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Gentlemen, I understand that it is very difficult for you to localize the game in Russian. Maybe it will be easier for you to make an automatic translator in the game, so that he does it for you?
I can understand why, besides English, here, Spanish and French, they are widespread. But the German language, I'm sorry Germans, but German, is less common in the world than Russian.Ukrainians, Byelorussians, Armenians, Georgians, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Kirghiz, Azerbaijanis, Moldovans - among themselves, speak Russian instead of English.
As I read, you chose visitors to the exhibition in Germany as a criterion. But if you make an exhibition at the World Exhibition of Achievements in Moscow, I think you will have to reconsider the conclusions.
Appeal of the Russian-speaking community Guild Wars 2
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yoni.7015, do not confuse, speak English and write in Cyrillic. The big difference between Cyrillic and Latin. The Latin alphabet is not suitable for writing in Russian, since twice as many letters are required.
My case is far from infrequent. People have different levels of language training and pedagogues are different.In a nearby branch, the Italians asked for localization and you will say that in Italy, is there a problem with the English language?
Well, let's say otherwise. So, you speak English, would you be comfortable playing a game where everything is in German and even chatting is only necessary in German?You ask, English is in the game, but they answer you - learn German.