Kyubey.6349 Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 (edited) Sometimes after using "Phase Retreat" (2nd staff skill) completely loses possibility to use "Mirage Cloak". The ability is restored only after mounting/dismounting. So, this bug is not just small inconvenience, but makes entire class literally unplayable by breaking its core mechanic. Video of the bug: Spoiler update (related post) : Late observations shown that the bug triggers not by using "Phase Retreat" skill, but when stepping on the specific place itself, probably also given the direction in which the player stepped in such place. However, "Phase Retreat" still can help to trigger the bug if it won't triggers just by stepping on that places. Edited July 2, 2023 by Kyubey.6349 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyubey.6349 Posted July 1, 2023 Author Share Posted July 1, 2023 I tried to reproduce the bug in various ways. And according to my observations, this bug is somehow tied to certain areas or types of terrain. For those who will also try to reproduce the bug, first try to do it in the same place where it happens on the video, it always works there. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggson.7045 Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 Praise Joko, it's not just me! This keeps happening to me when doing the Ley Line Anomaly, both in Gendarren and Timberline Falls; but I can't seem to recreate it outside of those events. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyubey.6349 Posted July 2, 2023 Author Share Posted July 2, 2023 a bit more tests Spoiler also found one more cursed place Spoiler this bug looks really strange... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylphina.7318 Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 I can put in more information that I have tested:I only had the problem in the Gandarran fields, the only way to get rid of the bug is to change out of mirage and then back (to use a mount doesn't fix the issue, to change map doesn't fix the issue). I was able to do a farm train on other maps without any buggs but after going back to Gandarran fields it did break again. This was 2 days ago. Today I logged in and had the bug instantly (on the Gandarran fields at the airship (the airship pass)). I changed map to Snowden Rifts and was just starting to complete the map and it started again. It isn't reproducable at will but it happens either instantly at log in or randomly after changing trait, instantly or after just after a few dodges to fighting 10+ enemies. The terrain have no effect on this for what I can tell. Flat surface, slopes and even under water - it happens everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ockedy.1897 Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Saga.4102 said: I can put in more information that I have tested:I only had the problem in the Gandarran fields, the only way to get rid of the bug is to change out of mirage and then back (to use a mount doesn't fix the issue, to change map doesn't fix the issue). I was able to do a farm train on other maps without any buggs but after going back to Gandarran fields it did break again. This was 2 days ago. Today I logged in and had the bug instantly (on the Gandarran fields at the airship (the airship pass)). I changed map to Snowden Rifts and was just starting to complete the map and it started again. It isn't reproducable at will but it happens either instantly at log in or randomly after changing trait, instantly or after just after a few dodges to fighting 10+ enemies. The terrain have no effect on this for what I can tell. Flat surface, slopes and even under water - it happens everywhere. I definitely agree. I tested it in Queensdale, Gendarran Fields, and Kessex Hills. It seems like it does happen randomly as I've also tried various ways to reproduce the bug. I went underwater and coming to land, it broke. Changing the traitline and swapping back to Mirage fixed it then after a couple dodges, it broke. I changed maps to Queensdale to Gendarran Fields and immediately it didn't work. No specific skill sequence appeared to break it as it seemed to randomly break. I noticed this bug started around 2 days ago as well. I've sent 2 bug reports so far going more into detail about it. Edited July 2, 2023 by Orimetzso.2580 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyubey.6349 Posted July 2, 2023 Author Share Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Saga.4102 said: I can put in more information that I have tested:I only had the problem in the Gandarran fields, the only way to get rid of the bug is to change out of mirage and then back (to use a mount doesn't fix the issue, to change map doesn't fix the issue). I was able to do a farm train on other maps without any buggs but after going back to Gandarran fields it did break again. This was 2 days ago. Today I logged in and had the bug instantly (on the Gandarran fields at the airship (the airship pass)). I changed map to Snowden Rifts and was just starting to complete the map and it started again. It isn't reproducable at will but it happens either instantly at log in or randomly after changing trait, instantly or after just after a few dodges to fighting 10+ enemies. The terrain have no effect on this for what I can tell. Flat surface, slopes and even under water - it happens everywhere. 6 hours ago, Orimetzso.2580 said: I definitely agree. I tested it in Queensdale, Gendarran Fields, and Kessex Hills. It seems like it does happen randomly as I've also tried various ways to reproduce the bug. I went underwater and coming to land, it broke. Changing the traitline and swapping back to Mirage fixed it then after a couple dodges, it broke. I changed maps to Queensdale to Gendarran Fields and immediately it didn't work. No specific skill sequence appeared to break it as it seemed to randomly break. I noticed this bug started around 2 days ago as well. I've sent 2 bug reports so far going more into detail about it. No, it's definitely NOT random and CAN be reproduced manually. Did you even watch the videos? I reproduced it multiple times. Also found at least one such place in Gendarran Field. According to my recent observations the bug triggers not by using "Phase Retreat" skill (at least not always it's the trigger), but when stepping on place itself. And not only the place matters, but also the direction from where the player stepped in, which visually demonstrated on this video: Spoiler Also attaching screenshots of locations if someone can't guess the location only by related videos. Arrows means the direction that I used when the bug was triggered. Sparkfly Fen: Spoiler map spot 1 spot 2 Gendarran Fields: Spoiler map spot Edited July 2, 2023 by Kyubey.6349 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ockedy.1897 Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Kyubey.6349 said: No, it's definitely NOT random and CAN be reproduced manually. Did you even watch the videos? I reproduced it multiple times. Also found at least one such place in Gendarran Field. According to my recent observations the bug triggers not by using "Phase Retreat" skill (at least not always it's the trigger), but when stepping on place itself. And not only the place matters, but also the direction from where the player stepped in, which visually demonstrated on this video: Reveal hidden contents Also attaching screenshots of locations if someone can't guess the location only by related videos. Arrows means the direction that I used when the bug was triggered. Sparkfly Fen: Reveal hidden contents map spot 1 spot 2 Gendarran Fields: Reveal hidden contents map spot On 7/1/2023 at 8:41 AM, Kyubey.6349 said: Sometimes after using "Phase Retreat" (2nd staff skill) completely loses possibility to use "Mirage Cloak". The ability is restored only after mounting/dismounting. So, this bug is not just small inconvenience, but makes entire class literally unplayable by breaking its core mechanic. Video of the bug: Reveal hidden contents update (related post) : Late observations shown that the bug triggers not by using "Phase Retreat" skill, but when stepping on the specific place itself, probably also given the direction in which the player stepped in such place. However, "Phase Retreat" still can help to trigger the bug if it won't triggers just by stepping on that places. Yes. I watched the videos you posted. This is exactly why I stated that it "seemed to randomly break." Every player may not have the same result in reproducing this bug as you and according to what has been said thus far, every situation attempted has yielded different methods of breaking it. My test with it broke it in various ways which is why I said it "seemed random." I want to make it clear that I'm not saying you are wrong on this but not everyone will have it break upon using Phase Retreat in a specific way or moving towards a certain area of the map. For example, I went to Harathi Hinterlands near the Wildspine Hills and moved towards the Craig Sensay Hero Point to fight his ballista. I noticed that facing towards the lake broke my dodge and then when I reset it, it broke again facing the opposite direction of the lake. Even when I tried to re-mount, sometimes that didn't fix it. Edited July 2, 2023 by Orimetzso.2580 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyubey.6349 Posted July 2, 2023 Author Share Posted July 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Orimetzso.2580 said: Yes. I watched the videos you posted. This is exactly why I stated that it "seemed to randomly break." Every player may not have the same result in reproducing this bug as you and according to what has been said thus far, every situation attempted has yielded different methods of breaking it. My test with it broke it in various ways which is why I said it "seemed random." I want to make it clear that I'm not saying you are wrong on this but not everyone will have it break upon using Phase Retreat in a specific way. How players can not have the same result if we all have the same game and the same version of it? It's bug in the in-game mechanics, so, it can't depend on different hardware, it's drivers, or third party software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ockedy.1897 Posted July 2, 2023 Share Posted July 2, 2023 Technology is a complex thing. It's changing all the time and not everything will be the same for every person. That's all I'm saying. It's not something to dismiss or look away from. Again, I never said I disagreed with you cause it seems to me like you're trying to say that I am. In my experience, tackling an issue such as this requires different ways of looking at it. It's better to look at it from ALL angles rather than simply looking at it from one way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercanis.7158 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 This is only happening to me in Core Tyria, if that helps. I can't speak for other expansions as I haven't got there yet, but I didn't have the problem once in the Heart of Thorns maps. As soon as I came back to core maps, it broke again. Not really sure what triggers it as it seems different every time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercanis.7158 Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 It also happens in Metrica Province, in the jumping puzzle of course. Please please please fix this - it is entirely unplayable. I don't know how long things like this take to fix, but I really don't want to start another character all over again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geronmy.3298 Posted July 4, 2023 Share Posted July 4, 2023 Happened to me a lot while i was mapping Sparkfly Flen. Idk what is breaking, but happened almost every time i picked up a bundle item. I wish they can fix up this thing on a hotfix tbh, waiting until the 18th will be a torture. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Himbo.5392 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 I am having the same issue on all kinds of maps. My mirage cloak dodge will randomly stop working and it is frustrating as it is a core ability to the entire specialization. Sometimes mounting and dismounting helps and other times I have to log in and back out 😕 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercanis.7158 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 I started a new character 😞 So disappointing that they would not only leave such a major class-breaking bug in the game, but that they wouldn't even address or acknowledge its presence. Not a great start to the game for me but I guess it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollipopsaurus.6021 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 Is it only core maps where this happens? I only notice when doing core open world content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilkyTea.9042 Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 Experienced this back to back on Tequatl. Swapping specs fixed it but then it just came right back. Mirage endurance bar effect has also disappeared. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaadm.4730 Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 This happens to me EVERY time I use a core-Tyria waypoint. The only two fixes I have found are 1. changing out of Mirage and back into Mirage, or 2: Mounting then immediately using the same waypoint that caused the problem again. Both of these are completely temporary and usually only last until I get into a major fight and end up dead because none of my skills will function correctly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercanis.7158 Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 20 hours ago, Lollipopsaurus.6021 said: Is it only core maps where this happens? I only notice when doing core open world content. I've only ever had it happen in core maps. Thought it was fixed and got so happy but turns out it was just because I made it to HoT 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheepsherrip.1428 Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 Just came upon this post and tried cloaking on/near the spots Kyubey mentioned. Happend to me as well. The Sparkfly ones were quite easy to find due to the shadows. There may be one in Timberline north of Concordia near Valance Tutory Waypoint (where my char stands). The WP one happend to me too (in Sparkfly) but I am not entirely sure if distance plays a role. Most often when 7300 units or more away from the (same) WP, as far as I have tested always when using different WPs. But it will need some further tests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylphina.7318 Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 6 hours ago, Sheepsherrip.1428 said: Just came upon this post and tried cloaking on/near the spots Kyubey mentioned. Happend to me as well. The Sparkfly ones were quite easy to find due to the shadows. There may be one in Timberline north of Concordia near Valance Tutory Waypoint (where my char stands). The WP one happend to me too (in Sparkfly) but I am not entirely sure if distance plays a role. Most often when 7300 units or more away from the (same) WP, as far as I have tested always when using different WPs. But it will need some further tests Location has nothing to do with it - nor has the surface. It happens at any time. You can log in and have the bug, you can play for hours without it, it can come now and then or all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyubey.6349 Posted July 9, 2023 Author Share Posted July 9, 2023 7 hours ago, Saga.4102 said: Location has nothing to do with it - nor has the surface. You are literally denying a demonstrated objective fact without any proofs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylphina.7318 Posted July 12, 2023 Share Posted July 12, 2023 On 7/9/2023 at 6:19 PM, Kyubey.6349 said: You are literally denying a demonstrated objective fact without any proofs. Because it DOES happen at any location, just as other have stated - it's a fact. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyubey.6349 Posted July 12, 2023 Author Share Posted July 12, 2023 7 hours ago, Saga.4102 said: Because it DOES happen at any location, just as other have stated - it's a fact. If there are specific spots that are guaranteed triggers the bug for at least someone, so, such locations or something that exists in it is definitely somehow related to the bug. And such spots really exist, which is demonstrated by me and reproduced by another player, so, it's can be considered as a fact, until it's refuted with the proofs. When your words have NO actual proof. Furthermore, there were several confirmations that the bug only occurs on the core Tyria maps, which already refutes your words that "location has nothing to do with it". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylphina.7318 Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 (edited) Oh no, sorry - "any location in core world". EDIT: Btw - the majority is that it occours at "any location in core world" Edited July 14, 2023 by Saga.4102 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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