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The Silver-Gold Bot Problem

Rvannith.8364Rvannith.8364 Member ✭✭
edited November 21, 2020 in PVP

I'm not the best player, and generally rank low-mid Gold (okay, I'm actually quite kitten). Unfortunately, the biggest frustration and thing that stops me from improving is the sheer amount of bots that seem to be active in ranked PVP: accounts that, assuming a combined game and match-up time of sixteen or seventeen minutes, are active nearly 24/7, accruing thousands of ranked matches every single PVP season. The same accounts and profiles are there, season to season: they never seem to get purged. Sometimes we're lucky: a bot like "OmnX KatXryn" is a burst mesmer, and will spam so perfectly that most other teams die to AOEs unless one of them knows it's a bot and baits their skills out. On other occasions, we end up with bots like "CaorXz", a Guardian that does nothing but auto-rally and heal, or "FaXXXXXXr" or "ShXXXXXXXa" who autorun far every respawn and tend to just die over and over without contributing anything.

Is ANet at least aware of this problem? Would it trouble anyone to take five minutes, end of season, to look at the accounts that have so many games under their belts that they are either bots, or people who are somehow playing almost every single hour of the day for several weeks without ever sleeping? It's endless, and the majority of my games are undermined by this experience. I'd rather a longer match-up time and to lose to a human than win because there's a spammy bot on my team that out-competes the enemy, or because the other team has one of the "worse" bots that you can easily just auto to death. There's another thread in which people are mentioning this problem from last year, but the problem seems to be getting worse: it feels like the "human" population is dropping, which makes the probability of getting lumped in with a bot seem much more likely?

Taking a more pro-active role in dealing with this issue would be very much appreciated, not just by myself but all the other middling players who feel like almost every game is a coin-flip based on the amount of bots we get grouped with rather than anything to do with an honest contest of skill.

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  • I feel you, brother. ANet is aware of the bots. Is there a solution for them? Hard to tell, it's rather complicated - we can only guess.

    The only way to get rid of the problem is to stop caring at this point. Go into the game with "do your best and forget the rest" attitude.

  • noiwk.2760noiwk.2760 Member ✭✭✭

    @sitarskee.5738 said:
    I feel you, brother. ANet is aware of the bots. Is there a solution for them? Hard to tell, it's rather complicated - we can only guess.

    The only way to get rid of the problem is to stop caring at this point. Go into the game with "do your best and forget the rest" attitude.

    in certain hours having 3-4 auto runing bots in your team isnt rare ^^
    when that happens you cant do your best.. infact you cant do anything xD the 3-4 bots will jsut run mid/side die or stand alone without action and you will be
    alone against 3-4 people.. you will just die quick

  • Rvannith.8364Rvannith.8364 Member ✭✭
    edited November 21, 2020

    @sitarskee.5738 said:
    I feel you, brother. ANet is aware of the bots.

    I'm not sure if they actually are. There can't be more than a couple dozen of them, it's just that the player count is low enough it feels like you get the same handful every couple games. Everyone reports them, ANet never bans them, and we go around in circles. I don't buy into the theory that ANet runs their own to make the player count in PvP look higher to reduce queue times: I can understand if they keep known bots under watch to track RMT (the bots obviously get rewards, which other accounts do they send those rewards to?) but the long term impact on PVP, especially in the middle tiers, is dreadful. That the same bots are there multiple seasons over and over implies a decent amount of oversight. I understand PVP isn't their core focus, but very small steps here would go a long way.

  • noiwk.2760noiwk.2760 Member ✭✭✭

    @Rvannith.8364 said:

    @sitarskee.5738 said:
    I feel you, brother. ANet is aware of the bots.

    I'm not sure if they actually are. There can't be more than a couple dozen of them, it's just that the player count is low enough it feels like you get the same handful every couple games. Everyone reports them, ANet never bans them, and we go around in circles. I don't buy into the theory that ANet runs their own to make the player count in PvP look higher to reduce queue times: I can understand if they keep known bots under watch to track RMT (the bots obviously get rewards, which other accounts do they send those rewards to?) but the long term impact on PVP, especially in the middle tiers, is dreadful. That the same bots are there multiple seasons over and over implies a decent amount of oversight. I understand PVP isn't their core focus, but very small steps here would go a long way.

    Anet dont do anything because we dont : ) lets be honest here.. we complain and complain and complain and we rage .. and for a good reason..
    bots destroy pvp ! and they must be banned!
    but at the same time.. at the end of day we keep supporting Anet.. and we keep playing and we keep spending our money on the gemstore..
    so why would they bother fixing it? maybe when we stop supporting them with money and we ban their gemstore untill bots are banned they would take action :) and care more about us pvp / wvw players ^^

  • @Rvannith.8364 said:

    @sitarskee.5738 said:
    I feel you, brother. ANet is aware of the bots.

    I'm not sure if they actually are. There can't be more than a couple dozen of them, it's just that the player count is low enough it feels like you get the same handful every couple games. Everyone reports them, ANet never bans them, and we go around in circles. I don't buy into the theory that ANet runs their own to make the player count in PvP look higher to reduce queue times: I can understand if they keep known bots under watch to track RMT (the bots obviously get rewards, which other accounts do they send those rewards to?) but the long term impact on PVP, especially in the middle tiers, is dreadful. That the same bots are there multiple seasons over and over implies a decent amount of oversight. I understand PVP isn't their core focus, but very small steps here would go a long way.

    They must be aware of the bots because they're a topic on forums for months and months. Do they do anything about it? I don't know, they're not really open about whether or not they're doing fixing the issue.

    There really is nothing more we can do than ignore the bots, keep reporting them and try to enjoy PvPing. Don't get me wrong, I wish there was more we could do to get rid of those lowlifers. We all could just stop playing PvP but it won't solve the issue and actually I'm afraid ANet would neglect PvP even more then.

  • Rvannith.8364Rvannith.8364 Member ✭✭
    edited November 23, 2020
    • Bastion.1502
    • BlackCrag.9760
    • edaraz.3296
    • koechto.1835
    • Quaker.8314
    • Strogg.2695
    • Swedishchef.8609
    • Zorg.8340

    I have been grouped with all of these accounts over the past half dozen matches alone. All have close to a thousand matches this season alone, every one has more losses than wins, and most of them "path" identically: they follow the exact same route out of spawn, jumping over obstacles in unison when there's more than one on my team. A number of these names have been here for multiple seasons. This shouldn't be a problem that requires a lot of effort to solve and would significantly increase PVP quality of life for bad players who are in low gold. Those of us who still play PvP remain flipping coins if we win or not based on if we end up with one of these accounts on our teams or the opposing team, and dealing with this situation would be a very simple step to make things a lot less frustrating.

  • @Rvannith.8364 said:

    • Bastion.1502
    • BlackCrag.9760
    • edaraz.3296
    • koechto.1835
    • Quaker.8314
    • Strogg.2695
    • Swedishchef.8609
    • Zorg.8340

    I have been grouped with all of these accounts over the past half dozen matches alone. All have close to a thousand matches this season alone, every one has more losses than wins, and most of them "path" identically: they follow the exact same route out of spawn, jumping over obstacles in unison when there's more than one on my team. A number of these names have been here for multiple seasons. This shouldn't be a problem that requires a lot of effort to solve and would significantly increase PVP quality of life for bad players who are in low gold. Those of us who still play PvP remain flipping coins if we win or not based on if we end up with one of these accounts on our teams or the opposing team, and dealing with this situation would be a very simple step to make things a lot less frustrating.

    How does a bot play 1000 games and be useless and still stay in gold LOL

  • noiwk.2760noiwk.2760 Member ✭✭✭

    @DogMD.9182 said:

    @Rvannith.8364 said:

    • Bastion.1502
    • BlackCrag.9760
    • edaraz.3296
    • koechto.1835
    • Quaker.8314
    • Strogg.2695
    • Swedishchef.8609
    • Zorg.8340

    I have been grouped with all of these accounts over the past half dozen matches alone. All have close to a thousand matches this season alone, every one has more losses than wins, and most of them "path" identically: they follow the exact same route out of spawn, jumping over obstacles in unison when there's more than one on my team. A number of these names have been here for multiple seasons. This shouldn't be a problem that requires a lot of effort to solve and would significantly increase PVP quality of life for bad players who are in low gold. Those of us who still play PvP remain flipping coins if we win or not based on if we end up with one of these accounts on our teams or the opposing team, and dealing with this situation would be a very simple step to make things a lot less frustrating.

    How does a bot play 1000 games and be useless and still stay in gold LOL

    some of them get carried .... gold is so easy now days.. ... every team got bots in silver during prime time 1-2 bots and in the mornings 2-4 bots.. in each team.. 1 team has to win regardless the bots and the bots progress.. simple as that/

  • Keep in mind that name callings are now allowed so you better remove the names or YOU will get banned.

    But the situation is out of control. Sometimes I'm the only human and 9 bots in a game. Even if I report the obvious bots I will still be the only one that report them in this game.

    It seems that the skill that you need the most in PVP is how make the oposits bots useless and help your bots.

    Each time I stop playing "real PVP" and start playing "anit-bot" style I win. Even with 4 bots on my team.

  • Rvannith.8364Rvannith.8364 Member ✭✭
    edited November 24, 2020

    @DogMD.9182 said:

    How does a bot play 1000 games and be useless and still stay in gold LOL

    Bots are often on each team, so you'll have three or four human players on each team, and one or two bots on each team. Some bots are worse than others based on their class (although they appear to be programmed nearly identically) so even if the human players are identically matched, one team will pull ahead because they have a "less bad" bot. As a result, while the bots most often lose more than they win the difference isn't huge, because there's another 9 human or bot players that factor into the defeat or victory. Generally, bots are within a 10% margin, but mathematically speaking this isn't unexpected. There's a win/loss distribution curve you'd expect of even the most poorly programmed bots who do nothing but run to far point and spam AOEs as still winning about 40% of the time at worst: because your rank changes depending on how often you win/lose, which means over long periods of time your win-loss ratio should be somewhat even, regardless of if you're a bot or a real player, or how well or poorly you play.

    Some of them are actually very close: Shambler.3408 has 442 wins and 451 losses, as an example.

  • noiwk.2760noiwk.2760 Member ✭✭✭

    @Rvannith.8364 said:

    @DogMD.9182 said:

    How does a bot play 1000 games and be useless and still stay in gold LOL

    Bots are often on each team, so you'll have three or four human players on each team, and one or two bots on each team. Some bots are worse than others based on their class (although they appear to be programmed nearly identically) so even if the human players are identically matched, one team will pull ahead because they have a "less bad" bot. As a result, while the bots most often lose more than they win the difference isn't huge, because there's another 9 human or bot players that factor into the defeat or victory. Generally, bots are within a 10% margin, but mathematically speaking this isn't unexpected. There's a win/loss distribution curve you'd expect of even the most poorly programmed bots who do nothing but run to far point and spam AOEs as still winning about 40% of the time at worst: because your rank changes depending on how often you win/lose, which means over long periods of time your win-loss ratio should be somewhat even, regardless of if you're a bot or a real player, or how well or poorly you play.

    Some of them are actually very close: Shambler.3408 has 442 wins and 451 losses, as an example.

    i had some games in which 3 and even 4 of my team were bots.. sad year for gw2.. try playing ranked pvp in the morning. . 3 out of 5 in same team being bots isnt even a rare thing.. . infact you almost never have more than 1 actual human in your team during the first part of the day..

  • trash company. Like support said, LOL JUST REPORT THEM 😂 .Yeah report them, but nobody ban