thief has nothing after this really, unless the prot is also aoe application and not just might for spectre this isn't going to make it stand anywhere close to where supp herald is. and as for pvp thief murdering swipe and shadowmeld makes the class worthless to put in wvw we don't provide anything to a zerg already as was mentioned before. Thieves have been cast into single target no cleave solo buff classes where all other classes have some level of flourish. So ofcourse when you take away some of thieves stronges roaming tools that leaves us scratching our heads, sicem ranger can just stop thief stealth and I realize that having a perma invis opponent isn't fun but maybe the elite skill should give something for being so underwhelming now. Thank you for your continued work on the game, I hope this is considered