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12 hours ago, Junkpile.7439 said:
I don't really get this steam thing. Why would anybody use steam if he can play game without it? Doesn't make any sense.
Because tons of people already use Steam for all their other games anyways so it's nice to be able to have it be in that list as it allows them to still use Steam features like the friends list as well as the community pages, screenshots and all that.
Of course it was mainly appealing for Anet to advertise it to millions of people on this platform as they generally do a bad job at advertising the game, sadly they once again did a bad job at advertising the game and decided to celebrate the 10 year anniversary by offering nothing to these new players so they ruined a good opportunity to get a bunch of new players into the game by being greedy.
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1 minute ago, Sobx.1758 said:
New players or not, that content is still being played/replayed as it was. The value didn't magically go down because you're unlocking it later.
This is content expansion for the game, not a car, this content doesn't get somehow worse, because newly released content uses less fuel or accelerates faster. So... useless strawman.
Value really doesn't hold infinitely, you can't say that games from 10 years ago are as valuable as they were at the time because it's the same experience.. would you buy a Playstation 1 for full retail and pay $60 or whatever for games because it offers the same experience as it did back then? No, because that experience is tied to the time period it was released in, it was the peak of gaming at the time, but now has been surpassed by everything and it's dated.
Guild wars 2 in 2012 was more special, FF14, ESO, New World and all those things did not exist.. WoW was probably at it's peak and GW2 offered something new, different and fresh compared to what was out there.. however in 2022 what it offers really isn't as special.
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Those games are generally not MMOs and it's optional content, not being able to play a certain nation in Civ 6 is not the same thing as not owning an expansion in an MMO.
Try playing the free trial of GW2 and tell me that there is no need to buy the expansions, tell me how fun it is to play in base game areas by yourself most of the time, where you cannot play with anyone else because they're all running around on mounts or roller beetles and they disappear within seconds.
Playing in empty zones, doing events by yourself very often because of the low player activity in those zones.
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1 hour ago, kharmin.7683 said:
Because there is no issue to acknowledge.
Yeah, that is basically the answer I expected.
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1 hour ago, Gorem.8104 said:
Do people forget that to know this, you must already know GW2? When marketing to new players, who know nothing about GW2, how would they know that its a good deal or not? All they see is an expensive price tag. They don't know why its "cheap" for what you get.
Every single argument I see for the living world price tag, is always by people who play gw2 and know what you are getting already beforehand. Not new players who have no idea.
No one is willing to accept this though, almost every person arguing against all and any form of criticism of this game and Anet are 10-15y veterans that refuse to acknowledge issues.
I said the same thing about how there should have been a sale with the Steam release but the arguments mostly just ended with people telling me to stop playing the game.
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Man, this community.
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5 hours ago, trunks.5249 said:
10 year player. grinding ranked pvp can get you 20 gold a day even more if thats all you do not to mention daily's and selling everything you get doing dungeon runs all witch are free without living world or expansions. i can understand new players not knowing how to get lots of gold everyone else that complains is just lazy
Sounds great for new players to get stomped in PvP for weeks or months earning that money then, bet they're all excited at this prospect.
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3 hours ago, trunks.5249 said:
i get it however it is not that hard to grind enough gold to just buy enough gems on the exchange. it only takes me a little over a week to grind enough gold to get a costume thats 700 gems
You as a what, brand new player who has no idea or a 10 year veteran or whatever who has all the expansions, content, done everything and who knows all the best spots?
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10 hours ago, Ultramex.1506 said:
You weren't there when each episodes were released for free so pay up, the game is B2P
Nice gatekeeping buddy, you got stuff for free but then tell others to pay up.. keep it up.
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Feels like a lot of people are just gatekeeping ' I paid this much money so you should also pay this much' even though some of the content is many many years old.
Just hope to find people like that when I want to sell a 10 year old car and they'll be willing to spend the 2012 price for it.
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5 hours ago, PancakeMix.9604 said:
Lol... what. How can anyone think this
I don't think that.
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10 hours ago, Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
You were the one that mentioned limitations. Heroic Edition removes all. Check the official Guild Wars 2 Twitter.
It removes F2P limitations, sure.. but that's not what I meant.
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2 hours ago, Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
So, if in WoW, you can subsidize costs by playing the game, why is it not mentioned here, that you can subsidize costs/acquire all Living World Seasons/Episodes and everything else in the Gem Store by just playing the game (Gold to Gems)?? If good for the goose, should be good for the gander, no?
Also, as far as limitations go, ArenaNet runs promotions almost all the time giving out Heroic Edition codes. There's one going on right now, in fact.
Pretty sure that is mentioned a lot? But people don't present it fairly where WoW costs thousands but GW2 is free and the cash shop has zero downsides.
Yeah, both can use the in game currency to avoid having to pay money, but then the justification for the $100 is less sound.
I don't know if they are running promotions, you tell me, clearly nothing about that is indicated on their website so I can only assume they do a poor job at communicating that, but I also don't really see how that helps, heroic edition doesn't include a whole lot.
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2 hours ago, Tukaram.8256 said:
If this game is for you, have fun with it. If it is not for you, find one that is. Cry less, play more. Have a good life, I will waste no more time on you. 😎
Yeah, because the game is perfect and you need to be a kitten to anyone who disagrees, I get it.
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1 hour ago, King.3720 said:
You can call it a lie, but that's only after the fact that you deleted your entire response that i was referring to. Lol. Your argument shifts from one aspect of cost to another, so i don't think you have a "whole argument". You're just arguing for the sake of it.
I haven't deleted anything, that's not even an option.. not that it matters as there never was a post where I said you cannot do that.
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10 hours ago, Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
If one is just playing the 'old base game' (which has been updated many, many times in the last decade) what cost is there? It's Play4Free!!
The cost isn't there, but there is also not a lot of value and a lot of limitations, don't think people realize how long 10 years is.
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8 hours ago, Tukaram.8256 said:
I don't. I sell all the junk that drops that I do not need. Very little that drops is useful, but it generates some money. Oh... and you can use the gold to buy gems to buy the things the gem store has, that you seem to think you need. See? It all works out. 😎
Talking about materials here, which I don't think qualifies as junk.
8 hours ago, Tukaram.8256 said:Many games do have both. At least we only have an optional gem shop - no subscription. I am quite pleased with the setup. Sorry you are unhappy.
If you say so.
8 hours ago, Tukaram.8256 said:This is true. All 3 are in a bundle for $49.99. Quite a bargain. https://buy.guildwars2.com/en-gb
You just get an incomplete story until you finance the living world stuff, which is absurd that it's not part of the expansions.
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3 hours ago, Ashen.2907 said:
Except that you don't. WoW has a cash shop too. Contrary to claims made in this thread WoW has:
1) A box price.
2) A subscription fee.
3) and a cash shop.
So your $180 sub fee for one year, plus $40 box price does NOT get you everything. Multiply the box price for expansions released over the past decade that GW2 has existed, plus $1,800 in sub fees just to be able to log in, and you are into multiple thousands of dollars....before even getting to the fact that there is a cash shop as well.
Now, is that excessive? I don't think so. Pretty cheap in the grand scheme of things. Compares to seeing a movie every month in my area and you get more than the 100 minute average movie run time in play time per month. But is it better than less than 10% of that total cost for unlimited play time?
That's really just assuming the very worst case scenario to make it seem as bad as possible, you pay for the latest expansions and a monthly subscription but from there you can use the in-game currency to avoid paying monthly fees, making your yearly cost to play like $30 with how often the expansions come out if you wanted to.
Also saying they both have a cash shop despite one, to my knowledge, being fully cosmetic and the other being utility, convenience and cosmetic, it's not a fair comparison.
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8 hours ago, Tukaram.8256 said:
The cash shop may have some downsides, but if we had a subscription does that mean the cash shop would go away?
I mean it obviously should, if it's going to or not is debatable but you cannot justify a cash shop like this paired with a monthly subscription as they both serve the same purpose.
8 hours ago, Tukaram.8256 said:Many games use cash shops to sell optional/luxury items, whether they have a monthly subscription or not. And if you are only checking out the game for a couple months - nothing in the gem shop is required.
The point there is that the entry cost is very steep or you're stuck playing the old base game that has not been updated in a decade and GW2 cost is only appealing in the long term.
8 hours ago, Tukaram.8256 said:While playing you can deposit materials and you can list items on the trading post (which removes them from your inventory). I played for a year or two before I bought any extra storage. None of my characters have maxed out storage, and I doubt I will ever need it. Most of my avatars backpacks stay half empty as it is. It is nice to have but hardly necessary.
Also once you buy the bank/backpack expansions, no further costs is required. A simple and cheap system. I think that is much better than a subscription.
You can sell stuff to compensate for the lack of storage space but then eventually you end up having to buy it later on when you actually need it, which is the same as just throwing away money.
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6 hours ago, King.3720 said:
My assumption was based on the fact that if you actually spent a little more time playing the game, you would understand that you don't need to pay ANYTHING, and referring to your other response highlighting how you don't think it's true that you can convert gold to gems, is just clear as day that you haven't spent the time in-game to look around at your options.
Your assumption was presented as fact, and 'the fact' is again your assumption.
Saying I don't think it's true I cannot convert gold to gems is neither assumption nor fact but an outright lie really.
6 hours ago, King.3720 said:And if you want expansions, that's simply a ONE-time payment that you never have to pay again, and you can just get the standard editions for cheap, as they do discounts for quite a bit on occasion.
.And my whole argument was about the lack of a discount during a 10 year celebration and Steam release, I don't know what you are even arguing at this point.
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1 hour ago, King.3720 said:
Voicing your opinion 110 times isn't voicing your opinion at that point. it's complaining. Unfortunately you didn't give the game itself a chance and opted into posting on the forums on how you don't like the model of the game and its paid features etc. The 250,000 other concurrent players who did give it a chance, do enjoy it. So i'm sorry you judged your entire experience of it based on a forum, but that's on you. good luck.
It's not voicing it a 110 times, it's voicing an opinion and then engaging in a discussion with people who are willing to do so.. you'd be surprised how quickly those numbers go up when you actually interact with people and engage in a discussion instead of leaving a 'confused' reaction in lieu of an actual counter argument as appears to be the standard around here.
And no I did not 'judge my entire experience on a forum', but you wouldn't know that either way, although it didn't stop you from making a baseless assumption regardless it seems, despite not having a clue as to how much I have invested in the game.
Seems it's a concept beyond grasping for a lot of people here that you can argue for the best interest of the game and other players rather than just themselves, which is surprising, especially in the case of the LW and how they want people to pay for it despite getting it for free themselves in many cases, or how they paid full price for the expansions and the base game and so everyone should do it many many years later.
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25 minutes ago, Ashen.2907 said:
How are those days gone? WoW is still the exact same in being able to pay a subscription fee and get everything, or you earn gold and buy a subscription for in game gold and play for free, you can even use in game gold to purchase the expansions, so you can play for free entirely.. of course people won't acknowledge that.
New world is even better in that regard with currently a $20 price and no subscription or convenience items, FF14 also works fine with a subscription based model for full access.
Then there will be dozens of free to play MMOs with a similar cash shop as GW2, just without the $100 entry cost.
Either way I never said this model is outright bad, I'm arguing with people who are suggesting that the cash shop is completely without downsides and not a compromise for the lack of other sources of income.
Yeah if you plan on investing years into the game then the GW2 cost might be more appealing, but a lot of people just hop from game to game and check them out for a number of months, for which GW2 is not appealing.
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1 minute ago, Ashen.2907 said:
This does not match my experience.
Well, not everyone has the same experience or the same expectations.
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1 hour ago, King.3720 said:
Looking at your previous posts it looks like you joined the forums specifically to complain about costs and the game not being completely F2P. but if you had any amount of patience you could get all of those "conveniences" without spending a single penny. If you don't like the model of the game, then don't play it. no one will miss you.
I came to the forum to voice my opinion on the matter, but I understand that in the Guild wars 2 community criticism is just dismissed as complaining, and something that makes me a hater, a hateful person who should not play the game, move on and who will not be missed.
At least I can say that due to the warm welcome I also won't miss the community in that case.
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The Forum's "confused" reaction [Merged]
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A better way to disagree is to give an actual opinion or argument as to why you disagree with something.. just disagreeing without explaining why is entirely pointless.