[Story content its not newbie friendly]

3 hours ago, Tachenon.5270 said:

I, being somewhat cynical in my old age, and prone to rambling in a manner not always coherent, suspect anet doesn't want the newbie experience to be TOO friendly. It's a fine line, I suppose, between fun and frustration. Carrot and stick. Cows and free milk. Sonny and Cher. To gently (or not) prod the newbies into forking over that sweet newbie cash for the 'shiny woo!' benefits granted by the expansions and their associated by-products, without the newbies deciding it's all just a big litter box and they're just fresh grains awaiting the inevitable kitty. If you've participated in a world boss event in a low level zone when there's not a lot of max level boon-spamming elite-spec types around to scoop the kitten out of the box, maybe you'll agree. But probably not, since this IS the game forums. Heh.

As an aside, just think of the time and resources the devs could have saved for SOMETHING ELSE if they'd kept the old champ trains instead of doing the bandits and buffing the low level zone World Bosses.

More coffee.

Thing about low level area bosses getting boosted I kinda sorta agree was a bad thing however in my experience playing the game one doesn't stay low level very long I mean you could grind out a lvl 80 within a week or few days depending how hard core you wish to apply yourself. One could also argue that having high levels in low tier areas helps to showcase the end game legendary gear , mounts, gliders ect not to mention adds to the initial spectacle of the first timer newbie at a meta event to bear witness to. Personally I think this works more as a carrot to motivate than stick to bash a newbie. 

[Story content its not newbie friendly]

Now that GW2 has been free to play so many years if anyone likes it at the core base game they should honestly look for sales on DLC content with Secrets of the Obscure around the corner maybe might become the goto expansion to get, since it unlocks the skyscale if what I read on it so far is true. It also maybe less spoiler of story content to go through out of sequential order.

I loved core guilds 2 even bought physical copies for friends to enjoy before the base game went free to play. Sadly none of those friends bothered with the game after a week having other interests in either a different genre or other mmo. I tried frantically to get guildies from a dying mmo that was shuttering its doors to migrate over and only 1 among them still plays. Long story short I suck at promoting gw2 as its been like herding free roaming cats and no shortage of evergreen trees for them to climb.

 

[How can people enjoy WvW?]

On 12/20/2020 at 10:18 AM, Dawdler.8521 said:

Well, you have over 1500 hours of PvE.

Was that great the first couple of hours? Where you able to jump from map to map and find some dragon boss killing action? Was people tagged up for level 80 metas in the starter zones? Did you know where every heart, waypoint and event was or did you have to run and find them? Did you know how to build your character for open world performance?

Come back when you have over 1500 hours in WvW and we can discuss the more detailed experience.

I don't see this distinction in your post and sorry I happen to know English. Try worming out of the ULTIMATUM you made no one else. Good bye and your bad faith argument BS.

[How can people enjoy WvW?]

3 minutes ago, Dawdler.8521 said:

Well at least you got it out of your system by latching on to my three year old post, glad to be of assistance.

Actually it was the thread's name sake that fit the mindset going in. Your post was kitten and I had to call out BS as I seen it. Don't flatter yourself you weren't any assistance except making yourself look like the kitten I suspected you were before but now verified.

[How can people enjoy WvW?]

49 minutes ago, TheGrimm.5624 said:

The question is, what are you looking for though? The people here that do find it fun can share those details. The people that have issues with it can also share those. There will be people that can do both. WvW is a sandbox where you create your own fun. 

The original poster was trying to grind their way thru GoBs, is that the issue here? 

Maybe a less convoluted means to duel someone that doesn't require one enter a wvw map or other instance like in most other mmos. maybe a fresh coat of paint (retexturing assets) and making the landscape a little more visual aesthetic. What ever it is, it isn't there in wvw for me.

This one may cut but with so many assumptions about me I figured why not throw some salts out there. When has the last time wvw been even touched in terms of released content? If wvw is such the bastion of great gameplay and a defining feature to gw2 and so popular why is it so neglected? Perhaps it isn't as popular as you all like to think it is. As I stated before I am weary of the cringe that distorts my face anytime someone suggests wvw to me either in discord or guild chat. maybe is it conceivable that perhaps some over promote a promising concept and have the inverse affect. Here I am the inverse effect to state my opinion that runs counter to all the chatter and anyone that wishes to stand there arguing semantics and what I should like and how many hours to play instead of respecting my opinion and leaving it be.

Thanks to you all for the feedback I will leave you all some peace and wishes toward happier gaming.

[How can people enjoy WvW?]

44 minutes ago, Dawdler.8521 said:

Maybe he just didnt enjoy WvW then and I'm pretty sure nobody asked about Escape from Tarkov 🤷‍♂️

No but someone did say if you like PVP of any form wvw is for you. How is that 1500 hours ridiculousness holding out for you? I gave wvw a try plenty of times and I don't even need to soak hours learning a game mode that doesn't fascinate me the way that a different genre of pvp excites me I had more fun in a single extraction in Escape from Tarkov over all the combined hours I did pay toward wvw. I know how dastardly it is for me to use another game here but preferences are that. Something that seems to escape the lot of you who commented with exception to MedievalThings.5417 who answered best.

 

[How can people enjoy WvW?]

And you're assuming I am a quitter thanks considering I dabbled with wvw through all the ten years since core launched and never once seen the appeal if that's quitting? Fine, not that I wanted to play 1500 hours of it in the first place which is entirely the point I was making which I'll reiterate. Its okay to not like a game or a mode within a game.

WvW lovers are like Bungie fanatics from Destiny 2 say one ill thing about their game or any of their modes send in the white knights armed with cudgels.

Lastly how I spend my time isn't of concern to you or anyone for that matter, maybe your time would be better spent elsewhere but thank you for taking the time to spend it here. Cheers.  

[How can people enjoy WvW?]

9 hours ago, Dawdler.8521 said:

I probably have 1500 more hours in WvW three years after that post, but I'm not sure OP has. Maybe he'll answer three years after he made this topic, that he's still playing WvW and maybe even got good at it. You can grow and learn quite alot in three years.

I mean I cant be the only one with a WvW fetish and stick around here just to keep posts on top of play hours 🤔

 

Or he completely quit the game entirely I choose not to assume either way. You did point toward reaching 1500 hours game play in wvw and I will 100% disagree with that sentiment as you will know if a mode is for you or not within a few hours of trying it out. 

Before someone asks, Yes I like pvp but Escape from Tarkov is entirely different kind of pvp I wouldn't push anyone to play 1500 hours of just to validate their opinion like you did.

[How can people enjoy WvW?]

Just now, babana.7521 said:

2 years old thread. who resurrected it? 

I did as the topic fit the sentiment I wanted to share in my post. Irrespective of time I see little reason to make a new thread where one has been established. Cheers.

[How can people enjoy WvW?]

1 minute ago, XenesisII.1540 said:

Didn't realize this was a necro thread, was pretty sure we had a more recent fun in wvw thread around here...

Dawdler wasn't stating it takes 1500 hours to figure out wvw.

In context to the OP and discussion at large there is little else to assume otherwise. I mean he did directly state Play 1500 hours then we'll talk unlike mesmers you aren't warping or twisting anything here the language is there read it. 

[How can people enjoy WvW?]

On 12/20/2020 at 10:18 AM, Dawdler.8521 said:

Well, you have over 1500 hours of PvE.

Was that great the first couple of hours? Where you able to jump from map to map and find some dragon boss killing action? Was people tagged up for level 80 metas in the starter zones? Did you know where every heart, waypoint and event was or did you have to run and find them? Did you know how to build your character for open world performance?

Come back when you have over 1500 hours in WvW and we can discuss the more detailed experience.

Since you're the one espousing the idea someone play 1500 hours in some trashy game mode maybe swing this ball back at you.

I hope this answers your question @XenesisII.1540

[How can people enjoy WvW?]

Its okay not to like a game mode. Everyone seems to forget this simple truth. I don't see the appeal in wvw and only here because I am weary of hearing left right and center about how great wvw is and I simply don't see it at all. The maps are lack luster, the structures look like kitten, the zergs have a scrubbing bubbles commercial aesthetic that also induces lag spikes, the sheer amount of time one wastes just traversing the map with so little engagement adds to the sense of boredom unlike pve where theres always something to engage with that isn't some lopsided group there just to send you back where you came from.

I've learned enough getting my warclaw to know wvw is not for everyone's taste including mine. Someone once said spend 1500 hours in wvw in order to find out where the fun is. It would be like me to accuse MMORPG players of not playing long enough in FPS games to truly grasp why they're fun in my eyes. It shouldn't take 1500 hours to figure out if you hate a mode or like it period.