Appreciate your thoughtful insights. We've tried 4, 5 , 6, 7 & 8 person groups. Various combinations of 2 DH, Mesner, 1-3 Rangers, 1-2 Thiefs, Revenant, Warrior, 1-2 Elementalists. I think we understand the basics - focus on the canids then the champ. We get to the spawn asap. Sounds like a Scourge is helpful. Conditions instead of power? Maybe more focus on group skills rather than individual? More or less range?