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Going full diviners on a chrono support if you still haven't learned to maximise boon uptime

For newer players would it be wiser to go full diviners instead of just a couple of diviner pieces?

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  • Safandula.8723Safandula.8723 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 7, 2019

    in fractals u need 100% bd anyway, in raids 60% is ok option, which should be fine even with some mistakes, while 80% is super safe imo.

    edit: but tbh chrono has potato "rotation" rn: do opener, than cast soi, wells, tot off cd. when u get it fluid, start swaping to sword offhand and maximize dmg

    make prepardness baseline plz

  • BRNBRITO.9624BRNBRITO.9624 Member ✭✭

    You want higher BD in Fractals, and if you're always pugging you can't rely on anyone other than yourself, so IMO it's better having more BD.

  • VDAC.2137VDAC.2137 Member ✭✭✭

    Remember that in fractals with mastery and options you’ll get an extra +15% boon duration with 150 AR so no reason to go above 85% total from all other sources, which as stated above should be plenty for everything else.

  • Rico.6873Rico.6873 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 8, 2019

    Was mainly talking about raiding
    For fractals I use Power Holo/Diviners Renegade/Healing Firebrand after the Druid changes

    Because the way Chrono gives boons are through stationary wells, where people can walk out off
    I find it hard to time when you put your wells down,
    Thats the reason why I asked if it wasn't better to go full diviner if your playing chrono

    The Chrono I'm now using is using the Snowcrow support build

    https://snowcrows.com/raids/builds/mesmer/chronomancer/support/
    With 4 strong pieces of Diviner gear and 3 diviner trinkets

    Because I dont always play chrono or feel like playing chrono my experience with Chrono is lacking in the raiding department
    But I still wanna maximize the boon uptime for my allies when I do play chrono in the raiding environment

    So my question is: Will max Diviner gear help me max my boon uptime for my allies in a raid If I'm a not a elite mastermind (noob) Chrono?

    Now the second thing I wanna know is about Minstrel Tank chrono
    The first part of the raid legendary armor achievement gave a full ascended set, I used That armor set to make me
    a full Ministrel armor for tanking as a Chrono (Also have all Ministrel trinkets)

    The only thing I'm missing is the tank runes but because a tanking build I found suggested Superior Rune of Sanctuary, a Dungeon rune
    I'm stuck on 3 more of those runes until I find the time and the people to get it

    If people could also suggest me a good Chrono tank build here or the location of one that would be awesome
    I myself could only find the support build in Snowcrows and I'm not sure if Metabattle is up to date with its tank build...

    So my second question is: What tank rune could I use instead of Superior Rune of Sanctuary for a tanking Chrono?
    I only need 3 more Sanctuary runes but until I get them I wanted to use another rune, Just not sure which one to use...

  • Safandula.8723Safandula.8723 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Rico.6873 said:
    Was mainly talking about raiding
    For fractals I use Power Holo/Diviners Renegade/Healing Firebrand after the Druid changes

    Because the way Chrono gives boons are through stationary wells, where people can walk out off
    I find it hard to time when you put your wells down,
    Thats the reason why I asked if it wasn't better to go full diviner if your playing chrono

    The Chrono I'm now using is using the Snowcrow support build

    https://snowcrows.com/raids/builds/mesmer/chronomancer/support/
    With 4 strong pieces of Diviner gear and 3 diviner trinkets

    Because I dont always play chrono or feel like playing chrono my experience with Chrono is lacking in the raiding department
    But I still wanna maximize the boon uptime for my allies when I do play chrono in the raiding environment

    So my question is: Will max Diviner gear help me max my boon uptime for my allies in a raid If I'm a not a elite mastermind (noob) Chrono?

    Now the second thing I wanna know is about Minstrel Tank chrono
    The first part of the raid legendary armor achievement gave a full ascended set, I used That armor set to make me
    a full Ministrel armor for tanking as a Chrono (Also have all Ministrel trinkets)

    The only thing I'm missing is the tank runes but because a tanking build I found suggested Superior Rune of Sanctuary, a Dungeon rune
    I'm stuck on 3 more of those runes until I find the time and the people to get it

    If people could also suggest me a good Chrono tank build here or the location of one that would be awesome
    I myself could only find the support build in Snowcrows and I'm not sure if Metabattle is up to date with its tank build...

    So my second question is: What tank rune could I use instead of Superior Rune of Sanctuary for a tanking Chrono?
    I only need 3 more Sanctuary runes but until I get them I wanted to use another rune, Just not sure which one to use...

    Sanctuary runes? Imo always pack runes for bd + boons. Imo escort and sh are only encounters where u rly need toughness, than I would mby go durability runes. But pack are to good to pass on
    60 %bd gives 8 s of boon from wells while 100% is only 10, so more bd is not gonna cover bd from missing wells

    make prepardness baseline plz

  • ButcherofMalakir.4067ButcherofMalakir.4067 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 8, 2019

    @Rico.6873 said:
    Was mainly talking about raiding
    For fractals I use Power Holo/Diviners Renegade/Healing Firebrand after the Druid changes

    Because the way Chrono gives boons are through stationary wells, where people can walk out off
    I find it hard to time when you put your wells down,
    Thats the reason why I asked if it wasn't better to go full diviner if your playing chrono

    The Chrono I'm now using is using the Snowcrow support build

    https://snowcrows.com/raids/builds/mesmer/chronomancer/support/
    With 4 strong pieces of Diviner gear and 3 diviner trinkets

    Because I dont always play chrono or feel like playing chrono my experience with Chrono is lacking in the raiding department
    But I still wanna maximize the boon uptime for my allies when I do play chrono in the raiding environment

    So my question is: Will max Diviner gear help me max my boon uptime for my allies in a raid If I'm a not a elite mastermind (noob) Chrono?

    Now the second thing I wanna know is about Minstrel Tank chrono
    The first part of the raid legendary armor achievement gave a full ascended set, I used That armor set to make me
    a full Ministrel armor for tanking as a Chrono (Also have all Ministrel trinkets)

    The only thing I'm missing is the tank runes but because a tanking build I found suggested Superior Rune of Sanctuary, a Dungeon rune
    I'm stuck on 3 more of those runes until I find the time and the people to get it

    If people could also suggest me a good Chrono tank build here or the location of one that would be awesome
    I myself could only find the support build in Snowcrows and I'm not sure if Metabattle is up to date with its tank build...

    So my second question is: What tank rune could I use instead of Superior Rune of Sanctuary for a tanking Chrono?
    I only need 3 more Sanctuary runes but until I get them I wanted to use another rune, Just not sure which one to use...

    It seems as a good idea but it is much less efective then you think. There are 2 reasons:
    1) signet of inspiration is not affected by Boon duration. That means that each 13.3 seconds both chronos extend boons by 6 seconds. That is almost half of required uptime so your bd is only for the other half needed.
    2) quickness stacks 5 times. If you get 6th stack of quickness the shortest one is destroyed. If you have higher boon duration then stacks will last longer and you will destroy more and longer stacks. Overstacking can easily happen after continuum split even without timewarp. 2 wells of action and 4 tides of time and you have 6 stacks already. If you have high bd it can happen that you use less stacks before spells become ready again and you will lose another stack.

  • Rico.6873Rico.6873 Member ✭✭✭

    @ButcherofMalakir.4067 said:

    It seems as a good idea but it is much less efective then you think. There are 2 reasons:
    1) signet of inspiration is not affected by Boon duration. That means that each 13.3 seconds both chronos extend boons by 6 seconds. That is almost half of required uptime so your bd is only for the other half needed.
    2) quickness stacks 5 times. If you get 6th stack of quickness the shortest one is destroyed. If you have higher boon duration then stacks will last longer and you will destroy more and longer stacks. Overstacking can easily happen after continuum split even without timewarp. 2 wells of action and 4 tides of time and you have 6 stacks already. If you have high bd it can happen that you use less stacks before spells become ready again and you will lose another stack.

    I see, so having too much concentration would be a waste because the last tick of the well would just get overridden?..
    But that is if both your chrono's land all their wells on their allies

    How do you handle fights where you have to move a lot? like Vale Guardian on the last part where your dragging him in a circle around the map
    You hold onto your well until your allies stack and wait for your wells to end? :S

    Only reason I was thinking of going full diviners was for fights where my wells dont always reach their full potential on my allies.
    Didnt know there was a cap on the amount of quickness/alicrity you could give, explains why people dont max their concentration for easy pugs/boon duration

    Thx for explaining it to me, this kept me from going full diviners on my chrono now :P

  • ButcherofMalakir.4067ButcherofMalakir.4067 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Rico.6873 said:

    @ButcherofMalakir.4067 said:

    It seems as a good idea but it is much less efective then you think. There are 2 reasons:
    1) signet of inspiration is not affected by Boon duration. That means that each 13.3 seconds both chronos extend boons by 6 seconds. That is almost half of required uptime so your bd is only for the other half needed.
    2) quickness stacks 5 times. If you get 6th stack of quickness the shortest one is destroyed. If you have higher boon duration then stacks will last longer and you will destroy more and longer stacks. Overstacking can easily happen after continuum split even without timewarp. 2 wells of action and 4 tides of time and you have 6 stacks already. If you have high bd it can happen that you use less stacks before spells become ready again and you will lose another stack.

    I see, so having too much concentration would be a waste because the last tick of the well would just get overridden?..
    But that is if both your chrono's land all their wells on their allies

    How do you handle fights where you have to move a lot? like Vale Guardian on the last part where your dragging him in a circle around the map
    You hold onto your well until your allies stack and wait for your wells to end? :S

    Only reason I was thinking of going full diviners was for fights where my wells dont always reach their full potential on my allies.
    Didnt know there was a cap on the amount of quickness/alicrity you could give, explains why people dont max their concentration for easy pugs/boon duration

    Thx for explaining it to me, this kept me from going full diviners on my chrono now

    Obviously that comes from experiance. In my guild I am the one tanking. In the last phase after cc end I move imidiatly to the end of another tile and i place wells there. Never use them on the move but on the spots where you are still. You can calculate speed of party and use wells on the move if you belive yourself but it is not needed. Moving there is laround 2 seconds even with 60% bd you can provide way more quickness and alacrity then 100 percent uptime.

    If wells dont reach full potential on your allies then it is usualy their mistake. They are staying on wrong position.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭✭

    for most runs in fractal better use minstrel, if is more safe, and get additional heal for members. Also commander set is not bad too.
    best setup what I see is minstrel chrono and 4 scourges.