Vashuddha.1538

I believe a feature like that would be met with revolt, and eventually end up in a catastrophic turmoil in the community. People have spent too much time crafting for their ascended and legendary gear. Implementing a PVP gear system in WVW would be a huge f*** you to everyone who have strived to get where they are at today in terms of gear. It would render everything they have worked for completely useless. The amount of outcry would ultimately lead to Anet having to grant some sort of compensation for the amount of hours and gold that people have dispursed , or perhaps push those with ascended/legendary gear up the ladder so that it would be easier for them to acquire it, and that too would probably spark a lot of tension. Either way, I don't see this happening at all.

Stealth is hardly counterable, and I would even go as far as to say that it isn't. Unlike other MMORPGs, abilities such as stealth can be compromised by factors such as: Distance. Whenever someone in stealth gets too close to their target, the player will have a 1-3 second time window where the player who is stealthing is slightly exposed. Whenever the distance becomes too great, the stealthing target becomes invisible. This would be a a great feature and could possibly solve this whole issue, because then both parties have the exact same amount of time to either attack, or counter. As of now, people are forced to utilise crucial skills, waste endurance and swing their weapons aimlessly whenever a Thief is in stealth, because you're left with 0,01 seconds time window to act before you're hit by a barrage of of burst attacks. After that the Thief can easily evade any counters and instantly go stealth again before the whole process repeats itself. Stealth cancelation when damaged - Any AOE or damage of any kind should cancel stealth leaving the thief exposed.Reduced speed while in stealth - The fact that Thieves gain super speed while stealthing really doesn't make any sense. I mean, if I were to sneak around in order to disguise myself and become unnoticeable I wouldn't be sprinting. No stealth stack, what so ever. 6 simple solutions. Really not that hard. I agree that removing stealth altogether would be a lazy and ineffective solution, but there are many possible ways to fix it, because it definitely needs some fixing.

I know this thread is fairly old and perhaps a bit outdated, but you're requiring information that someone wouldn't necessarily have unless they play thief themselves.

You clearly haven't read everything if you claim that I ignored the constructive feedback that was given to me. I responded to most of the comments there, but haven't as of recently due to the hostility and it being too time consuming. So to say that I ignored them is a blatant lie. Again, false accusations seems to be a trend here on the forums. Regardless, what I choose to ignore, or pay attention to is none but my own business, and it doesn't justify someone's need to be rude or condescending. So basically, your statement here is pretty much pointless. Moving on.. Ask for help and get help. Are you having problems with DE? I asked you in the other thread and you never responded, but made this long thread complaining about DE in another sub forum. First of all, my first post was not in regard to DE at ALL, so you haven't really read my first post thouroughly which is a bit ironic since you're now here accusing me of not responding to something that wasn't even a subject to begin with. I’m willing to help and, yes, I’m chastising you a little for acting like you have the time to post this big complaint thread but not to respond to the previous thief thread. You've already demonstrated that you haven't really read my previous post carefully, and now you're literally trying to put me on trial based on this false narrative. But what about this post? I don't recall asking anyone for advice or help , the purpose was to start a civil discussion in regard to DE. So basically what you're doing is giving me s*** for not responding to your very unsolicited advice. Having said that, I do appreciate when someone is willing to provide valuable knowledge guidamce, but it's the patronizing arroganse that usually comes with it that I have a problem with, and is the main reason why I left the other thread, because most of the "constructive" feedback was drenched with negativity. If you're willing to help, and perhaps share some of your knowledge, then I am all ears, but let's keep it factual and civil ☺️ Going off your OP and first few posts you have a “firm opinion.” Based on what? You haven’t said. Just gone after people challenging your lack of substantive arguments for “attacking you.” Unsolicited advice? You posted “how to beat thief, really?” in the first thread and my advice was unsolicited? Fine. You don’t want advice? Bye.Unsolicited advice in regard to this post, silly, not the other one. I was also pointing out the fact that you mentioned De, when the subject on the other post was not about DE at all. Come on man :)

You demand exlanation from people, yet you throw your opinion in the opening post with no justification at all. How do you think that's ok? What are you babbling about? You tell people to give their opinions with justification, while at the same time you throw you "firm opinion" with no justification at all. I'm curious by what logic you consider that double standard "ok", that's all.Following what you've done in your opening post, I guess I'm fine with saying "It is my firm opinion that deadeye needs no changes" and nothing else. How much is this worth for you (or anyone, really)? Hope it's clear what I've meant this time. Also, I'm not "babbling", no need to be condescending. To be honest, I am a bit confused by your accusations here. Could you please tell me what you're refering to? Has anyone asked me about my opinion, and if so did I refuse to answer them?

You demand exlanation from people, yet you throw your opinion in the opening post with no justification at all. How do you think that's ok? What are you babbling about?

You clearly haven't read everything if you claim that I ignored the constructive feedback that was given to me. I responded to most of the comments there, but haven't as of recently due to the hostility and it being too time consuming. So to say that I ignored them is a blatant lie. Again, false accusations seems to be a trend here on the forums. Regardless, what I choose to ignore, or pay attention to is none but my own business, and it doesn't justify someone's need to be rude or condescending. So basically, your statement here is pretty much pointless. Moving on.. Ask for help and get help. Are you having problems with DE? I asked you in the other thread and you never responded, but made this long thread complaining about DE in another sub forum.First of all, my first post was not in regard to DE at ALL, so you haven't really read my first post thouroughly which is a bit ironic since you're now here accusing me of not responding to something that wasn't even a subject to begin with. I’m willing to help and, yes, I’m chastising you a little for acting like you have the time to post this big complaint thread but not to respond to the previous thief thread. You've already demonstrated that you haven't really read my previous post carefully, and now you're literally trying to put me on trial based on this false narrative. But what about this post? I don't recall asking anyone for advice or help , the purpose was to start a civil discussion in regard to DE. So basically what you're doing is giving me s*** for not responding to your very unsolicited advice. Having said that, I do appreciate when someone is willing to provide valuable knowledge guidamce, but it's the patronizing arroganse that usually comes with it that I have a problem with, and is the main reason why I left the other thread, because most of the "constructive" feedback was drenched with negativity. If you're willing to help, and perhaps share some of your knowledge, then I am all ears, but let's keep it factual and civil ☺️

Interesting. What do you think about the the offensive aspect of this build? The build has high damage velocity at long ranges, combined with stealth and high mobility. Makes it hard to close distance as they can instantly stealth and then reappear at another location and instantly hit you with Death's judgement critting 7 - 10 k, stealth again and then repeat, a feat which surpasses even that of a ranger. Just evade it’s burst and it won’t have enough initiative to kill you. It can only do 3 burst shot. Judgement is easy to evade. Count one when a laser hits you then evade. Daredevil works best in evade as he has 6 evades. 3 from endurance, 1 from signet endurance refill, 1 from utility dodge skill, 1 from weapon skill. You can also use the smoke tech against range. You can also do a large aoe from other class so stealth won’t protect it. it’s dodge roll won’t be suffice to distance. Other classes have protection. It’s a glass cannon with no pets, weakest mobility but high burst. It’s suppose to be a threat Remove it’s burst and it will be a useless minion that is ignorable or not a threat I have two issues with this suggestion. One the laser isnt very visible. In fact, much of the time I dont see the laser at all, esp if you are in combat w another player/NPCs. The other thing I have noticed is a good DE can reapply the stealth/burst combo so quickly that with, for example, a Mirage you use your 1 dodge then they can still just burst on you before you can dodge again, then they can also restealth BEFORE you can target and rupt or burst unless they are slow noobs. Its just a kitten spec that shouldnt exsist as it stands. Im not saying they arent squishy, IF they make enough mistakes you "may get lucky" and hit and down them, then if you wait around for stealth to wear off you can usually finish them pretty easy (so many IFs). Yea DE and DD both need more delay on stealth reapplication. That seems to be the biggest issue. I mean they restealth so fast not even auto target will hit them, you pretty much have to slash at the air and hope to hit them in stealth which is kitten. I think DE should have a forced delay after the burst that keeps them revealed long enough for them to be countered properly. I think the laser should be MUCH more vivible and it should give a better idea of the direction and location of the DE too. These two changes seem justified because the burst is significant, very fast, and they basically stay in stealth the entire time. Either the burst needs a longercooldown or the stealth needs a delay at the very least. As it stands its just some kitten trash that shoulnt be a thing.Agree a 100% with this. Good feedback.

You clearly haven't read everything if you claim that I ignored the constructive feedback that was given to me. I responded to most of the comments there, but haven't as of recently due to the hostility and it being too time consuming. So to say that I ignored them is a blatant lie. Again, false accusations seems to be a trend here on the forums. Regardless, what I choose to ignore, or pay attention to is none but my own business, and it doesn't justify someone's need to be rude or condescending. So basically, your statement here is pretty much pointless. Moving on..

Yes there is. The last time I posted on a Thief section I was met with hostility, and insulted and patronized by a group of "pro-thieves" for asking questions.Basically, the thief section is a red zone, and should be avoided at all times unless you're okay with being marginalized and ridiculed. I know I'm not. PVP, and WvW. Mobility, perhaps. I just know out of personal experience that Thieves are (in some cases) incredibly difficult to deal with compared to other classes. Especially if you're wearing light armor.

I'm not sure if I agree with this logic. There could be many contributing factors to why people choose to utilize another build over the other.

Interesting. What do you think about the the offensive aspect of this build? The build has high damage velocity at long ranges, combined with stealth and high mobility. Makes it hard to close distance as they can instantly stealth and then reappear at another location and instantly hit you with Death's judgement critting 7 - 10 k, stealth again and then repeat, a feat which surpasses even that of a ranger.

It has come to my attention that some people are a bit unsatifsied with the current state of Deadeye. It is my firm opinion that Deadeye needs to be toned down a bit, but I would love to hear your take on this, and open up a discussion on whether Deadeye needs a nerf or not. So.. Needs a nerf - explain whyDeadeye is fine as it is - explain whyLet's keep this civil.

Deadeye needs a serious nerf. The fact that a thief, which ironically is not a ranged class, can snipe you from 1500 distance, hit you for like 5-8k on one shot, stealth, randomly appear on another location and keep a significant distance gap, snipe you for another 6-8k, and then disappear again without leaving a trace before you can close distance is just ridiculous. i'm surprised that Anet has not done anything about this yet.

"Theyre not "kiting" (Thief has no real ranged pressure). Theyre running away. Apparently unsuccessfully." This can easily be debunked. Saying that thieves have no real ranged pressure is false. Very poor statement. "This isnt a matter of opinion. Thieves burst damage is in the realm of around 7k-9k for the full combo on a glass target. Thats pathetic. Typical burst on a glass target exceeds 13k and can go all the way up to 20k. " A thief can easily break stealth burst, pop a few CD's, gain stability, etc, and then run away or port back to whatever destination they came from. This is factual. I see this frequently and to say that a thieves burst damage is only high at glass target is a lie. You're basically implying that in order for someone to successfully defeat a Thief a warrior needs to utlize specific abilities in order to fight off a thief efficiently, that might be true, but it's very limiting and Thieves would be the only class I know of that requires a specific build in order to handle.That alone is a red flag. Bull's charge is good, but it doesn't necessarily secure your victory in any significant way. It's easy to counter and it's very predictive.A warrior will struggle to close his distance to a thief no matter what ability you use, even if you use GW (Rush) and Bull's Charge - abilities that anyone can see coming from a mile away. It doesn't take much for a thief to be able to avoid those, and once it's evaded the warrior is left with 0 options. A thief has plenty of skills up its sleeve to keep distance, port back, burst, and then fend off while the warrior is still waiting for CDs to finish in order to make another attempt to close his distance. These sort of fights as demonstrated in the video are quite common, but regardless of what your arguments are pro thieves have a habit of just smearing it off with poor analyzations in order to strengthen their own narrative of what is actually going on. This video is a prime example of what I'm trying to say Lots of people are unfamiliar with how theif works, and as a result incapable of punishing the easy chokepoints. Their frustration is a result of their own lack of knowledge, rather than any mechanics. The "thief can keep stealthing" nonsense should be a dead giveaway. There's really not much to "know" unless you play Thief yourself. The mechanics are pretty much obvious. If you're talking about knowledge in regards to CDs, spells, and rotations, then obviously people who haven't played Thief wouldn't know what's going on. Thief can keep stealthing, to say that is false is absolutely absurd and does not contain a single grain of truth to it.

Yeah Im gonna call doubt on that. What you might see is 3-4 players trying to (and failing) to chase down one thief. But if the thief isnt running away, but sticking around and fighting? He will die in less than 10 seconds, guaranteed. You can doubt it if you want to, but this is actually true. No, the thief does not stay there and brawl, that's kind of self-explanatory. There are a couple of Thieves that are perfectly capable of kiting and handling more than 1 player at once. You need to split into paragraphs more. Anyway, in-combat stealth is bad, and trivially easy to punish even in 1v1s. Thats why good thieves dont use it, they rely on shadowshot. Lets go over why. First, thief cant instantly become stealthed. The standard build, D/P, requires 1.25 seconds worth of cast time to stealth up, during which its locked in animations. Toss some damage or CC their way, and they explode without a chance to stop it. Thieves burst damage isnt "insane". If I had to use a word to describe it, Id say its "pathetic". No matter what class youre playing, youre bursting harder. If the thief tries to burst you, you never have to pop CDs. You just turn around and force them to swap to shortbow 5 and run, or you kill them if they refuse to. Partially agree with some of your points here, and will try to think about a better way to utilize my CDs. Burat damage is not pathetic. Agree to disagree here. Also not true. Nope, its not. There are no "possible broken mechanics". The class isnt capable of doing that. It takes almost no brain power to handle them. The problem is that you clearly dont know what thief can and cant do, and as a result fail to utilise the trivially easy chokepoints to punish the thief. You will almost never kill a good thief, but not for the reasons you describe, but for a much simpler reason. A good thief will run away. Because a good thief knows that a fair 1v1, is a 1v1 he loses. It most certainly does take some sort of quick thinking in order to defeat them, so I don't fullt agree with you here. I agree that I have to find a better way to utilize my skills. Don't know about "easy check points", kind of depends on the person who's playing the thief. Take this video for example. It kind of illustrates the point I am trying to make: Here is another thread where people seem to share the same frustration as me when dealing with thieves. Yet, whenever someone enters a thief thread, people marginalize and discredit everything as if everyone is just making up these bogus stories. Based on some of the replies here, it seems that some are trying really hard to smear anything related to thieves and their mechanics as just pure fabrications. https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/91285/how-to-beat-a-daredevil-as-a-warrior

I'm not really throwing up any judgements, I'm just expressing myself. I'm entitled to my own opinion, and if someone can prove me wrong then I will be happy to listen to what you have to say, but do it in a constructive way, because discrediting me and branding me like some kind of lier won't work. My lack of knowledge of the class was made very clear, and I honestly don't need to be patronized and insulted because of it.

Being condescending and arrogant is definitely not the way to go in order to achieve whatever you're trying to achieve here. To expect someone who has absolutely no knowledge about the class to foresee whatever a thief plans to do when he's invisible is quite shortsighted and just plain stupid. The only thing predictive here is the autocratic toxic people who just can't seem to express themselves in a civil manner whenever someone brings up an issue that revolves around their class, and no matter how eloquent someones approach is there's always that one guy who just seems to be the Michael Jordan of being complete ***hole. You bring nothing to the table. Utterly distasteful. Goodbye. You try too hard. Thief forum is always helpful but you were trolling to begin with and weren't looking for actual feedback, don't pretend to take it personally. You could just ask questions about the class and get answers. Format though.What on earth are you babbling about? There are plenty of others who seemed to be perfectly capable of providing good constructive feedback. You on the other hand have not. Just leave it man. If you have nothing valuable to bring here then don't spend your time arguing about it. I'm sorry my post was such a horrible experience for you, but just let it go because you're starting to come off as quite a goofball

You might be on to something here. I do feel like I have a tendency to panic whenever i engage with thieves. I mainly go core warrior, spellbreak er and berserker. When fighting thieves I find my shild changing my build quite often. Berserker is really good for catching them off guard and delivers insane burst damage. Allthough, there are a couple of players in my Wvw who are just absolutely ridiculous. I mean, it's almost absurd how powerful they are. Getting them to 20% hp is the closest I have ever been to defeat them. It usually takes at least 3 players to get them down, because they are exceptionally good at jumping in and out, evading attack, stealth, and deliver a high amount of damage in seconds. I guess my main problem is understanding what their next move is, and being able to avoid some of their attacks such as Backstab. Thank you for replying ☺️

Good tips, mate. Thank you☺️

Not a bad idea. I will take this in to accounts. Thank you☺️

Thank you so much. I will go deeper in to this and read what you said more thouroughly when I get back home from work. ☺️

Being condescending and arrogant is definitely not the way to go in order to achieve whatever you're trying to achieve here. To expect someone who has absolutely no knowledge about the class to foresee whatever a thief plans to do when he's invisible is quite shortsighted and just plain stupid. The only thing predictive here is the autocratic toxic people who just can't seem to express themselves in a civil manner whenever someone brings up an issue that revolves around their class, and no matter how eloquent someones approach is there's always that one guy who just seems to be the Michael Jordan of being complete ***hole. You bring nothing to the table. Utterly distasteful. Goodbye. And btw don't act so insulted when you come into the subforum with your "fighting stance ready", because if someone dares disagreeing with you then they're bad (and on top of that never even met a good thief):There is absolutely nothing about my initial post that shows any sign of "having my fighting stance ready", and neither did I say that someone is bad for disagreeing with me. I was simply making a statement in regards to other posts that I've read where people say that Thieves are underpowered, which is not true. So where in my statement did i belittle someone or brand someone as "bad" for disagreeing with me?This is exactly the point I'm trying to make here. Some people just have this patronizing attitude by default and take things way out of context. Their ego is so fragile that they feel the need to demean someone for expressing themselves. It's really not that hard to keep things civil. I may be right, and I may be wrong, but regardless it doesn't take 2 cents to be polite and perhaps share some of your knowledge in a constructive manner. That's basically what the forums are for. And it's even more interesting when something like that comes from the mouth of the same person that wrote this: This is arguably the most consistently all around strongest class and you're claiming it's underpowered? Another example of taking things way out of context. You literally went to my profile and went to an unrelated post that was made over a year ago, and quoted me on that? Seems like a desperate attempt to gather any piece of ammunition in order to win what, exactly? I'm not even going to try to go in to any depths about this one. This is just awkward.

Being condescending and arrogant is definitely not the way to go in order to achieve whatever you're trying to achieve here. To expect someone who has absolutely no knowledge about the class to foresee whatever a thief plans to do when he's invisible is quite shortsighted and just plain stupid. The only thing predictive here is the autocratic toxic people who just can't seem to express themselves in a civil manner whenever someone brings up an issue that revolves around their class, and no matter how eloquent someones approach is there's always that one guy who just seems to be the Michael Jordan of being complete ***hole. You bring nothing to the table. Utterly distasteful. Goodbye.

I'm glad there is some understanding here. Hopefully we'll see some changes to this. I completely agree that it was a stupid mistake.