[Mechanist is dividing the Community]

7 hours ago, Asum.4960 said:

And then you hit me with that, really?

I've just been playing Strikes as of late, but in those encounters at least I've personally never seen Mechs (who weren't literally just auto attacking) get out DPS'ed in boss DPS by anything else. Not even remotely close. 

 

Play other than strikes. You will see.

[I was able to solo three champions at the same time with my Rifle Mechanist]

1 hour ago, A Hamster.2580 said:

Alright for those claiming other classes can solo a champion, that was probably before they heavily nerfed self-sustaining traits. I forgot to mention that I did it in full berserker gears, not celestial/trailblazers/dragon/soldiers. And this was 3 champions at the same time. 

 

This was also a first try attempt too, no practice. If someone more skilled than me was to attempt this, they can probably do a "no-hit" run where the 3 champions never hit them a single time. The 48k hp mech tanking and the mechanist instant mobility skills are simply too good.

you are right. mech needs stealth.

[Nerfing the Power Mechanist? Here's A Practical Reason Not Too.]

11 hours ago, zaswer.5246 said:

You can have a mec that does 34k dmg and get your leggy armor without bothering other people, if the easy build does 34k and theres a more complex one that does 38k noone would complain, the problem is that the braindead rota does more dmg than more complex builds, now you have a mec that prob instead of 38k braindead does 34k or so, you can still go pugging and training with it and get your leggy armor.

Quite frankly, I'd rather have open world leggy option for people who wants it.  You can keep ur elite dress and dps number.

 

[How is mechanist nerfed but not...]

7 minutes ago, jcgreece.6870 said:

Soulbeast, Bladesworn and Power Virtuoso? These builds were doing more damage than Power Mechanist even before the 10% nerf.

How about you nerf everything to the same level?

How about big NO. Anet finally made something fun but you can't have fun in this game. Let them send Mech to Abyss where it belongs, so people can't have fun.

Out of curiosity, what is the benchmark now?

[Any one else disappointed with the upcoming balancing patch?]

1 hour ago, Lynx.9058 said:

Seems like you're just whining about mechanist at this point.

That's all they know what to do. Mech sux in WvW and PVP. Underwater doesn't even exist and all focus is on pve and nerf mech.

And, there is Fractal CMs ruled by scourge and nobody even cares. Also, FB is required on any group composition.

At the point, I'd rather they remove the espec and change it something else. Tired of these elites crying.

[Nerfing the Power Mechanist? Here's A Practical Reason Not Too.]

 

5 hours ago, IndigoSundown.5419 said:

Here's a radical idea.  Buff weapons rather than specific mechanics or traits.  That way, anyone using the weapon gets the benefit, whether they are using an LI or HI build.  Sure, this leads to power creep, but we have that anyway.  However, if the goal is to make more players enjoy the game, then surely it's possible to increase the effectiveness of those who struggle.  If the HI players complain that this makes the game too easy for them, well, we've had that since about Day 3..

These HI players are not even that good. They are just jealous that mech is kicking thier dps number below them. If they are any good, they would play other classes and beat mech pretty much on every boss except where they require alot of movement. Let the confusion pour in, coz they know its the truth.

[Nerfing the Power Mechanist? Here's A Practical Reason Not Too.]

56 minutes ago, anbujackson.9564 said:

Sure they do.

But apparently you are blissfully unaware that MANY people do significantly more dps on mech than on other classes. 

I can safely bet my account that overall damage in pug squads would fall if you have every mech dps player use something else. I see it all the time how they switch from almost any class and instead of 15k they do 20k + right of the bat. The difference might go even higher sometimes.

Also its exactly the reason why the suggestions of people to buff classes to mech lvl is just stupid. Raise the skill floor and not lower it. More effort for more reward is a basic principle in RL, too.

Sounds like you are just afraid that casual people who don't have open world leggy armor option might just get their armor from raid playing casually.

Give casual open world pve leggy armor or give them Mech.

[Nerfing the Power Mechanist? Here's A Practical Reason Not Too.]

7 hours ago, Suyheuti.1732 said:

I'd rather to keep away overperforming braindead builds from instanced content for health game experience. When it gets the proper nerf it deserves, we will be ok. 

comment like this makes me laugh. Did you just start raiding? Atm, all spec does way too much damage. All Raids can be cleared with auto attack build with almost all classes except support class.

[Balance patch preview for Engineers]

18 minutes ago, santenal.1054 said:

The way "balance devs" purposely destroy (not tweak for the beterment of balance) entire specs, I find quite disrespectfull . Too many people have already quit this game because of it. 

On the 4th of october my build will also become virtually immortal to condition builds, because the "balance devs" don't think their decisions through.

One of the big reason, I quit buying build template. Once your class is deleted, all the build and equipment template is wasted.

[The actual balance of Mechanist]

why only nerf mech? Drop all dps to max 15k. after all that's what needed to clear raids in this game. 200/s for auto attackers and 15k max for perfect players.

All these power creep are making my achievement from 3-4 years ago, non existent. Remember the days where you had to do green in VG? Also, Wall on Gorse? And, how can you forget all the crying and kicking in squad when run fails which happened frequently.

yeah, new raiders don't even know there is wall in Gorsoval.

 

[Game is carried by older content]

On 9/12/2022 at 10:01 PM, Vayne.8563 said:

I guess strike mission cms aren't content. Good to know.

250 completed HT CMs so far?

well, might as well add some fishing hole and call it a new content then 🙂

[Pure OW PvE idea for legendary armor]

42 minutes ago, disco.9302 said:

because your argument is flawed.

 

I can take my raid build and gear, not change a single thing and then just do openworld content the same way I can do instanced content. 

pvp and wvw have different  builds, gear and way of playing the content entirely. I cannot use the same build and gear in both or play the same way if I want to be successful.

how are  you  not able to understand these two points?

I can play naked pvp and wvw without touching any build or equipment and still can get my legendary armor.

[Current state of mechanist class promotes degenerative gameplay]

1 hour ago, soul.9651 said:

Well that would be a bigger favor for me than you think you would do for yourself. If person is lazy to put an effort into knowing his spec(and thats how li builds work, you dont need to know anything about the spec and it still carries you), he will be lazy to put an effort into knowing the mechanics and the encounter itself, and no ty, there is 0 fun in carrying such people when they join your group.

Raid and fractal is not everything this game offers. BTW, yes I am blocking you. I don't play with elite either. Carry me or not. Full legendary weapons, armor, trinket, sigil and rune here 🙂

[Current state of mechanist class promotes degenerative gameplay]

1 hour ago, soul.9651 said:

People also seem to forget that this game has horizontal progression, so if you gonna make player performance skills irrelevant in such game (talking about pve) you just demotivate player to keep playing this game, and knowing how long it takes for anet to make a new high end pve content (just look when was the last new raid or fractal released, or even the new strike mission is taking a lot of time by now) they just make this game boring for many people by letting builds like pmech or any other Li builds to exist. If you wanna pve scene to completly die out then go on embrace your Li builds, lets see for how long you are gonna enjoy this game when the next piece of new content will be released in months or years...(or even better i dare someone on forums or anywhere else to make a survey and see how many mech and non mech players are enjoying the game rn, how much motivation they even have to keep playing the same content over and over again and how much they enjoy the current game balance or even better how many are thinking about quitting the game or already stopped playing)

In fact lets look how "well balanced" pvp is aswell and how popular that game mode is too... If people still dont realise that balance is a big factor for player population then idk, this game is just destroying itself at this point and people will realise this when its gonna be just too late 

Its one thing to criticize engi rifle build, its whole different to criticize Li builds altogether. Not even sure what to say but I usually block people with this type of mentality.

[Current state of mechanist class promotes degenerative gameplay]

2 hours ago, anbujackson.9564 said:

Obviously a class that deals high burst damage outperforms mech in phases which are less than 10 seconds. You dont need to be bladesworn. You can do that on soulbeast or even PBM holo. That must be one of the weakest arguments to defend mech so far.

Just to clarify again. Its about sustained damage in longer fights and the conditions you have to deal with, which are non existent. 

But hey Grouch already confirmed that they are looking into this, so thats that. : )

Okay, but good luck if you think people gonna not play mech because of few lower dps number. Hopefully, it will silent the mech haters though.

[Current state of mechanist class promotes degenerative gameplay]

people complaining about mech, do you even know how to play Bladesworn? Try it.. you usually double the dps of mech in quick fight, like fractal or raid with boss phasing quickly.

Really though, quit complaining about other class, play the one you enjoy and leave others alone.

[so many stuns... troll build]

2 hours ago, Wolfshade.9251 said:

That's the reason why I switched to power scrapper as my main dps spec over holo. I refuse to play mechanist out of principle. Which doesn't mean that I don't try to dps race them on a scrapper - makes those rare victories even more satisfying.

 

2 hours ago, SleepyBat.9034 said:

Yeah but where's your damage?

damage comes from NPC. haha. You lure them in and let your NPC beat them to death while you chain cc lock them.

[Do you like playing with Engineering Kits?]

 I play on action camera. Now, remove the auto aim/aim lock.Perfect for my rifle guy 🙂. Headshot more damage vs body or limb shot would be awesome instead of this non sense of pushing 30 buttons for optimal dps.

[Current state of mechanist class promotes degenerative gameplay]

4 hours ago, anbujackson.9564 said:

A forum exists to point out issues and discuss them.

I mean you probably dont care if mech popularity increases even further from 33% to like 50. So half the players are just mechs. 

There are also people who dont like that all. Its not like they tell you to play a class with a real rotation and tradeoffs. 

I mean imagine a reaper player playing like a half god and still getting (vastly) outperformed by a half afk mechanist player. Do you think that this person has fun seeing that? No.

I see more necro in open world than anything else. Btw, to counter your point, why not ask for proper buff to other classes instead of nerfing mech?

You all sound like politician who promise to make everyone equal by making them poor.

[Current state of mechanist class promotes degenerative gameplay]

if you find mech too easy, don't play plz. you have 26 other elite class to choose from. Let us have our fun. Thank you and now go play game instead of crying in forum.

[Mech haters - Do you really want harder builds to be stronger?]

14 hours ago, Arewn.2368 said:

On the other hand the highest damage should result from, typically, the more complex or difficult builds/rotations. 

No, it shouldn't. Who told you this has to be your way? I completely disagree with your opinion.

everyone has opinion. PVE should be balance between fun and activity while I agree pmech is too easy to play but this highest damage with more APM bs needs to go.

[Mech haters - Do you really want harder builds to be stronger?]

12 hours ago, Cyninja.2954 said:

While your claim is not true, even if a forum favorite "fantasy" among players who never actually raided. You aren't actually hitting the benchmark, the automation of the class is. Which leaves only 2 possible design decisions: bring all other classes to the automation level of pmech, or change/nerf pmech.

As for your claim: it is dis-proven by millions and millions of logs on GW2wingman which clearly show that 80% SC benchmark is not required and never was for a majority of groups. Feel free to comb or sort through them, even by different patch cycles.

It was definitely the case used to be before we had all easy access to boons and higher benchmark for dps. I was one of the victim of it and I have seen people getting roasted and kicked for doing low dps. It had happened to me several times where I went ahead and bought my own Tag, so these elite commander couldn't kick me.

May be 80% was little exaggeration on my part but 70& was pretty standard. Btw, I am not sure who or what is wingman. Definitely not interested to look through it. You rely on your data while I rely on my experience.

Btw, You are right on not needing 80% of bench. I don't think, you even need 50% of bench for regular raid. But, not needing and getting kicked for not hitting the mark is different?

[Mech haters - Do you really want harder builds to be stronger?]

1 minute ago, Cyninja.2954 said:

 

The key take away being "benches". Yes a perfectly played QFB on a golem does get there.

I remember People used to get kicked all the time, If you didn't hit 80% of snowcrow benches. Now Anet give us mech and everyone complain that we hit benchmark.

Can't have it both ways people.

[How can someone whisper me in WvW]

I play the most annoying build ever and play offline.

I just lure them to my NPC and cc the crap out of him/her let my NPC kill them haha.

[Cele has to go]

9 hours ago, Guirssane.7082 said:

Metabattle 😂

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2 Celestial roamers can't even kill themselves, Time to kill is infinite, it's super boring. 

I remember when roaming actually took skill without Cele. 

what this skill you are talking about roaming?

stealth burst? or if you losing fight, put nike shoes?