Jack Redline.5379

Dont bother with him. It is pointless => OHe will forever twist what you say and try to convince you he is right. Dont respond to him it is easier that way. Some ppl simply dont understand thief or they misunderstood it and now they play it for wront purpose and hope it will change in their way but it wont since thief is thief nothing else.

I quit i will not aruge with you further more. It is pointless => OYou will constantly say that thieves have magic and i will constatnly prove to you they dontAnd as i said multiple times Deception is not magic. If you decieve someone you dont use magic you use skill and tricks.I am done with this BS. No more responses to you.

You know what. I am stopping this after i explain this to you. Because you will simply list all the stealth traits thief and when i rationally explain it to you you will simply disagree cuz you want to have magician thief. Shado magic is not a game mechanic. Shadow magic is a theme. Game mechanics are ways how the game allows you to acomplish your goal. = You can walk so you are able to get from point A to point B.Game mechanics are sort of a line you can or have to walk so you've achieved your goal. A theme on the other hand. Is the in game explanation of the game mechanics which is either set with the backstory or lore of the world.It has nothing to do with mechanics. It is only a sticker which tells you = the character moves forward, Yea he walks. The character is invisible. Yea he is in stealth. In lore of GW2 thieves were never mages. Only espec for thief that mentions shadow magic (a theme) is Deadeye. And as i said before. You already got your magical thief themed espec = Deadeye. The Thief or Daredevil on the other hand NEVER had nothing to do with magic. They were acrobattic, sneaky, deceptive, tricksters.I am not going to explain every single trait Thief has to you go to Wiki and read it word by word so you can figure it out. A theme of a Thief is not a mage. A theme of a Thief is THE THIEF. Thank you for your attention lecture is over.

Ahhh. I dont really know how many times i have to quote this. ''Stealth, also known as cloaking or invisibility, is an effect which allows the stealthed character to be invisible to enemy players and avoid being detected by hostile NPCs. '' It literally says it is a game mechanic. It is in the game because we lack abbilities such as climbing, crouching, hiding, ETC. That is why we can go in Stealth so the game keeps having realistic features altho they are not possible in game. Just because you throw yourself in stealth after you use blinding power it doesnt mean you are under a spellThe Stealth is there to imitate the Blindness you applied to your foe when you threw the dust in his eyes. He could not see you. That is why you are in Stealth. So he couldn't see you. Blindness is the side effect condition that helps to enhance the immersion so he wouldnt hit you for sure. Throw feathers same thing they just have it more diverse so you dont throw only dust at everyone.As far as your Merciful Ambush goes. It is again just a mechanic. Thief could relocate you if we have the abbility. You could hide in near bush or behind a tree or under a slope or rocks or whatever. That is why you have those 2 secs of stealth. Also not to mention if a thief is really sneaky character you wouldnt prolly see him as he approaches the downed player so you dont excpect him to try and revive. Again imitation of real life circumstances.No magic here.It is all just there so it feels a bit real altho it cant be all in the game. Cuz data size, cuz it costs a lot and cuz it would take AGES to make and debug.I am not gonna deal with mesmer skill those are mages they might go invisible = magic. But thief is never invisible they are only either runing around you while you are blinded by their trick. Or they are hiding in some bush or whatever. But since game cant provide this they gave us stealth so we still have the abbility even tho we dont have it.

Considering the point of a burglar is not to be seen, how do you know they don't all rob houses with a flute? burglar is a thief that focuses on robbing housholds... I know, it was a joke in good humour, don't worry :)ups sorry man i thought missunderstood what you said ( -.- ) I appologise

Thief uses deception to go in stealth not magic. = They are deception skills. Shadow Arts — focuses on stealth and blinding enemies. Enhances venom and deception skills.

Considering the point of a burglar is not to be seen, how do you know they don't all rob houses with a flute? burglar is a thief that focuses on robbing housholds...

Congratulations. You did it. You proved that Deadeye is a magician thief. So since you already got your arcane magical thief. Let us this time have normal elite spec with no magic so we can go back to the Thief theme. Thief''Experts at stealth and surprise, thieves can move through the shadows, vanish into thin air, or steal items from their opponents and use them as weapons. Thieves practice an agile, acrobatic fighting style, which can make them very hard to hit.'' Official siteOh and Edit:Just because they are masters of Shadow magic it has no relvenace or connection to the Shadow Arts wich are as follows ''Shadow Arts is a core specialization for the thief that focuses on survival, defensive abilities, and stealth.''-official site just so you were sureStealthStealth, also known as cloaking or invisibility, is an effect which allows the stealthed character to be invisible to enemy players and avoid being detected by hostile NPCs. No magic here. So since enjoy your thief that became shadow magician and please leave us non magical thieves alone so we can get nice new espec with a lots and lots of condi dmg.

Exactly as you said.DEADEYE USES MAGIC A wild event appears. Find a word thief in sentences above.

Rework: If attacking foe from behind or side one Trick is going to recharge CD 15 sec + gain Quickness and Swiftness 5 sec.

I will just coment on these two sentences since they smacked my eyes the most. Thief is not in desperaye need of tools that would help him to support allies. Thief always was, it is, and will be primary DPS class. Like everywhere else. Small health, big burst like dps. Besides it would not fit thief. Have you ever seen a burglar robbing a house with a flute? Thief has nothing to do with magic. Stop this nonsense already. Thx.

I would go for something condi based i really dont care for the name. Just give us tons of condi dmg we can SHARE and SPREAD over other players xD so they go nuts about the 20k condi burst dmg xD

ok

Did you just assumed my preferences? xD

jesus at this point i am not sure if you are so dumb or just stubborn. but you know what whatever believe i your arcane mage thief. the more you will be disapointed when nothing like that ever comes. And i will be happily runing around with my new condi espec that has completely nothing to do with magic. have a good day

also since you like to quote here is some qoutes of my own Shadow arts = Shadow Arts is a core specialization for the thief that focuses on survival, defensive abilities, and stealth. focuses on stealth and blinding enemies. Enhances venom and deception skills.Stealth = Stealth, also known as cloaking or invisibility, is an effect which allows the stealthed character to be invisible to enemy players and avoid being detected by hostile NPCs. (absolutely nothing about magic here it is there to provide for the hiding on the map)Daredevil =Training in the path of the Daredevil does not come easily, but those who dare are rewarded with the reserves that will help them endure as they enter the jungle. Specializing as a daredevil will allow you to wield a staff as a melee weapon and utilize hand-to-hand combat styles with the physical skill category. Additionally, you’ll gain access to a third endurance bar and be able to greatly modify the effects of your dodge ability. Thief =Experts at stealth and surprise, thieves can move through the shadows, vanish into thin air, or steal items from their opponents and use them as weapons. Thieves practice an agile, acrobatic fighting style, which can make them very hard to hit. Again nothing about magic just beacuse thye can vanish into thin air it doesnt mean they are magicians they can simply throw a dust in ur face and hide somewhere that is what stealth is for to substitute for the lack of enviroment or movement abilites such as climbing crouchin sneaking slow walking ETC. Shadowstepping = Shadowstepping is a mechanic that allows the user to move instantly from one place to another. all coming from GW2wiki. g'day to ya

sounds pretty much like something Revenant could have i mean they are dealing with mists all the time

And way above I explained to you that shadow arts / shadow magic as you call it is just a substitution of lack of surroundings on maps which a skilled thief could and would use as hideout / cover to be sneaky. Also Shadowstep is just the whole runing in shadowy areas and bushes speeded up. It might appear magical yea but it is just there to make game more easy and playable.ALSO VERY IMPORTANT FACTDont mix Deadeyes with Thiefs/DaredevilsDeadeye is something completely different than Thief or DDyou can call Deadeye a shadow magician since you love to refer to those shadow ''magic'' things he has. But DD and Thief dont have those ''magic'' things so please refer a propper way to a propper class. Theives and Daredevils are not magicians. IN Deadeyes case it is disputable. But Deadeye is not a Thief it is Deadeye. So dont mix us. Get your things straight.By the way closing up case just because you think you are right before the other side has finished up thier part is very rude.

You and I have very different understanding of a Theif. Where i come from Thieves are brutes and they dont even hide they will simply gank you up beat the kitten outta you and steal your stuff. In this game it is more subtle but anyway card tricks and sleight of hands has nothing to do with any sort of magic. those are pure tricks thus trickery skill line shadow arts are only adaptation of a hide and seek a combat surroundings would provide for lurker. We dont have bushes we dont have shady corners on maps we cant climb we cant hide the way a thief could irl so we are having stealth which provides for this lurking and hiding in shadows/bushes/surrounding objects. since it is MMO they gave it slight spice of being magical but thieves 10/10 are not mages or magicians or anything. game mechanics require some ability of hiding thus stealth because we cant do it in real enviroment where we fight.

Dear god protect us from this kind of ideas. I know Anet is capable of doing this so please Dear god protect us.

PLEASE STOP WITH THIEF BEING MAGICIANIT IS NOT MAGICIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Like I said "personal note", I simply don't like Torch weapons nor Condi-based Thief builds.well sucks for you -laughs in condi DD*

I am using two Aurete daggers. because i am a man of culture and I play DD as condi

I see you want it really bad so i will not argue with you but let me post a picture here for you so you get my point at leastIt is going to end up like this and i really dislike the ideahttps://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/a/af/Cloud_Dissidia_Artwork.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/291?cb=20110105035813

great sword is really not a good weapon for Thief also Maniac could be a sort of Berserker which alraedy is Warior sry i must say no