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On 8/23/2023 at 2:41 PM, Logos.5603 said:
Well, I was right.
Good catch. I do enjoy when a theory proves correct.
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57 minutes ago, Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:
If any lore character is leading the demons its likely Menzies since hes the last of the three evil from GW1 still alive/unsealed.
I think so too, I looked up that Menzies great sword Menzies’s Agony and there is an purple shadow eye near the hilt of the blade, similar to this Sauron eye we’ve been seeing. Coincidence? Maybe.
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On 6/28/2023 at 2:38 PM, Stx.4857 said:
Legendary armor from open world! And it looks pretty decent too.
😊
I’m curious how it will effect raids statistics.
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On 3/25/2023 at 1:25 PM, Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:
- Zhaitan had the least amount of magic by the time we faced him directly, yet showed no intelligence/reason beyond being a rampaging beast.
I wouldn’t necessarily call Zhaitan a rampaging beast as he has shown intelligence as well as tactics during the Personal Story.
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Trahearne: Where did that come from? This was supposed to be our way out.
Agent Zrii: The Orrians funneled us here. They've shown disturbingly advanced tactics ever since we arrived.
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- Agent Zrii: Another dead end. Militarily, I'd say we're being funneled into a trap.
- Crusader Afanen: I've seen the Orrians swarm and I've seen them lurk, but I've never seen them set traps. Are they capable of tactical thinking?
- Trahearne: Oh, yes. I've seen them do exquisitely horrible things. If the Priory team found the artifact I suspect they found, it all makes sense.
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That being said if you are specifically talking about the final battle, then yes he is rather mindless, however he is also starving. So his focus is destroy and consume strictly because he is starving.
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34 minutes ago, Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:
Likewise, she created the Elder Dragons to split magic, which allowed life to grow on Tyria. But she didn't create the rest of life on Tyira. Or at least that isn't said. All other life grew naturally
So she didn't make Tyria, the magic system, or life. She helped in its formation, but she didn't directly make any of them. Nature made them all.
Well Soo-Won is the Elder dragon of Water and Life, so maybe she did create the life.
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18 minutes ago, Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:
Comparing to Zhaitan isn't saying much because most of core wasn't even about Zhaitan. It was about various threats at various levels, and involved most of the Elder Dragons up until the attack on Claw Island. Even after Claw Island, most of the story was about collecting allies, and doing a "ground pound" war in Orr against Zhaitan where we learn very little about the dragon itself other than it eats relics via its Mouths, and was tapping into the Artesian waters. There was very little real development on Zhiatan back in core. Zhaitan probably the least actual development on the dragon itself, just a large exposure of its minions.
Looking to the other Elder Dragons, their stories shouldn't have been as long in the first place. Since we already did the process of unifying everyone to fight the dragons back in core, we don't need to do it again. Likewise, each next Elder Dragon should have a shorter story than the last, as accumulated knowledge across the game means we have less to learn/figure out about each one, and the larger cycle.
I mean even with how they combatted the dragons was kinda repetitive, as well. Gather allies, gather intel, kill dragon. Primordus kinda had that, but it was a bit disjointed since some of it happened in S3 and some of it happened in IBS. I need to do a complete replay from start to finish again.
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1 hour ago, Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:
The Forgotten said we needed something to replace the fallen Elder Dragons, we got that with Aurene. Nowhere did the Forgotten say we needed 6 entities to replace the 6 elder Dragons. Only that we needed something to do the job they did.
When Aurene ascended to an Elder Dragon, all instances of the unbound and volatile magic went away, as did the ley enhanced super monsters. Her ascension was able to negate the negative side effects of Zhaitan, Mordremoth, and Kralkatorri's deaths. The fact these things didn't reappear, even after Jormag and Primordus died, shows her ability to balance the all was great enough to even account for those two leaving the picture as well.
And the issue was that is Soo-Won died with all the void in her, it would unleash upon her death and destroy the world. As stated in the "Extraction Point" story chapter of EoD, the plan was to use the extractors to rip the Void out of Soo-Won, at which point it would go into Aurene and be purified. Aurene isn't really affected by the Void because "prismatic dragon" and all. They even mention during the final fight how the Commander(at this point power infused by Aurene) is absorbing the Void as they fight the Elder Dragon Void manifestations. After ripping enough of the Void out they hoped to be able to save Soo-Won, but she ended up having to die since she was too far gone.
It’s just too bad, that each dragon didn’t get the proper time and dedication, like Zhaitan did and even then they decided to toss in things, like the Shadow sphere of influence.
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On 3/21/2023 at 9:45 AM, Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:
And the "magic that would've ended the world" wasn't contained in jade. Some magic went into the jade after Zhaitan's death, but the vast majority of magic never went into the jade. It went into Soo-Won. I'm not actually sure why you think the jade saved anything. Joon was pumping magic from Soo-Won into the jade, which kept Soo-Won more stable for a little bit, but that didn't massively help save the planet of anything.
Well somehow we went from the forgotten advising that we require entities to fill in the vacancies to just needing Aurene, which was just kinda hand waved into the story.
Even Aurene and the Commander talk about how Tyria is still around even though the majority of the dragons are gone. Is this purely because of Soo-Won and Aurene. Then we have the talk about if Soo-Won dies the magic will kill Aurene and destroy the planet. I guess, since the extractors sucked the magic into bits, that can be filtered later? I’m just wondering if this vacancies thing is going to play a part in future story.
I feel like these topics were not discussed in a satisfactory way for me and were a bit too ambiguous.
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14 hours ago, Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
Not really. The most is basically the Void's existence, but The All itself isn't brought up. Even if you argue it is via "balance of magic", the way it is presented feels somewhat independent of previous lore on The All. At least it does to me.
I was hoping that EoD, would have explained the balance of magic better. We went from you can’t kill Kralkatorrik or the world ends to replacing Kralkatorrik, to killing both Jormag and Primordus and hoping everything is ok. Now granted I understand that the magic that should have ended the world was contained in Jade, I just wish they explained it better, because even now, when I talk about it, I’m still slightly confused on the situation.
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42 minutes ago, mandala.8507 said:
And I'm not against people having their own (even skewed) perspective on characters and plots that they share publicly, but when it comes from revered creators and active forum members who then take it a step too far and try to rationalize their skewed perspectives by claiming things are amiss with the writing and the narrative, then it starts to rub me the wrong way.
And, yeah. People get really mad when you try to defend the writing. Luckily, biting retorts sting a lot less when you know you're right.
I think some of the issue here is this lore isn’t a science. You can use evidence from the story to make points, but at the end of the day even that can’t be trusted, especially since there are so many writers as well as generations of writers. Kinda as if you have a set trilogy of books, but each book has a different author. Very similar to a long lasting tv shows that stumbles over the lore due to so many writers and it’s length. Sometimes you even get that on long running series with the same author, who may have forgotten a small plot point or whatever. At the end of the day it’s a form of entertainment and shouldn’t be taken so seriously.
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8 minutes ago, Bast.7253 said:
I don't know that that's the best example for the void but it was definitely a concept by the time Path of Fire launched. The Kesho? cinematic explained the intention behind Glint's prophecy with Aurene and Vlast fulfilling the empty roles.
Granted even that seemed like it wasn't really finalized as eventually Aurene became the sole solution to the magic imbalance. At least as far as we know but given how quickly they resolved the elder dragon plot toward the end I'm assuming they're not backing down or continuing with that plot.From my understanding PoF and S3 were being worked on at the same time. So it doesn’t surprise me that these themes were there. We’re the idea of the void itself completely flushed out by this time? No probably not, but I believe the concept was there. By the time S4 came they were already on the Soo-Won of being mother.
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I think the general rough concept of the void has been around since S3 when the elder dragons started to take each other’s abilities. Not necessarily the name, “the void”. The concept of one dragon having command over all the other dragon magics. You would think by the time you get to the last dragon that this would be the case. So in a very generalized, rough kinda of way, the void has been planned.
To quote Caithe from Dragon Vigil in S3:
- Caithe: So when we kill a dragon...?
- <Character name>: The others absorb the loose power.
- Caithe: Then I suppose we must kill them all before any one grows too powerful.
- <Character name>: Seems like an increasingly difficult task...
- Caithe: Indeed.
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Hmmm getting some The Exorcist vibes…
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1 hour ago, Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
To the bold: probably the same way Kralkatorrik took time to figure out how to use Mind domain, and ended up using it to create a shared spatial awareness between minions rather than doing micromanagement or mass telepathy like Mordremoth did. The Elder Dragons aren't all-knowing, and are extremely stuck in their ways. It takes time for them to figure how to use their magic in new forms, or how to use new magic.
That said, it is suggested to be power gained, as Aurene calls it corrupted magic, and making use of the Frozen drives Jormag to further madness (hence the story step "Jormag's Madness" and Jormag becoming increasingly frantic and irrational after the Frozen are made). It's not entirely clear if it's gained from Zhaitan and Mordremoth, or Kralkatorrik - or a combination thereof. I'd assume Kralkatorrik because unmelting crystal. But then we have the issue mentioned above - why didn't Soo-Won get any Kralk juice until Ankka hit her with the extractor full of Aurene's magic, if Jormag and Primordus did?
I get that to a degree, but you would think that with how obsessed Jormag was with Primordus, that it would have thought of creating Frozen thousands of years ago, after Primordus attacked Jormag last time. https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shards_of_Jormag
or perhaps introduce it in S3. They probably didn’t have the foresight if it was in fact a natural Jormag ability.
The Frozen feels extremely rushed, had very little screen time or real set up. I mean, it makes more sense if it was a new power from Kralkatorrik, problem is, they never explained that. My guess, another casualty in the breakneck speed that IBS had to be concluded to prepare for EoD.
In terms of Soo-Won, didn’t they show in the latter Future of Jade story mission that Jade had all the dragon magics in it, before we saw her in the reactor. I think even Soo-Won said something about it in the reactor too.
- Soo-Won: This place...it manages the flow of magic between me and Tyria's ley lines.
- <Character name>: Manages?
- Soo-Won: Joon used a different word. "Modulate."
- Soo-Won: She takes the magic I shed to make new dragonjade. It's been a most harmonious arrangement.
- <Character name>: Wait. The other Elder Dragons. They... We killed them. Some of that magic went to Aurene, but the rest...
- Soo-Won: Returned to the web of ley lines, and then to me. You did what you had to do, but I can't filter the magic alone.
Probably another error, I don’t know the whole thing is getting harder and harder to keep track of.
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2 hours ago, Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:
Uhhhh any last ditch effort with little chance for success. When playing PoF or S4, show me where the Fury is announced or described… it isn’t. It wasn’t until this magazine came out https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/september-04-2019/That we were even told what the domain was, after Kralk was dead. The narrative team didn’t have the confidence or just plain forgot and it wasn’t until afterward that they went oh kitten we forgot to put that in, uhhhh I guess he was the Fury dragon too…
What I’m saying is they did a terrible job of explaining what Fury, Destruction or even Shadow spheres actually do because I don’t even think they really know, however they had to put something in there as they already established that each dragon had two spheres, which I think in the long run was a mistake.
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18 minutes ago, Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:
HMMMM lets think about it shall we?
- The spheres represent the unique things the dragons do
- Kralks is Crystal and Fury
- Kralk makes crystal minions(hence Crystal domain)
- His crystal minions have the unique ability to harmonize with each other to make themselves more powerful(wonder what this domain could be!)
This doesn't require deep thought/investigation.
The phrase "coming out of left field" implies its something that just happened with no build up, when the game explicitly shows us how the revelation Jormag could do it was made. Thus, it doesn't meet the criteria for "coming out of left field"
And no, Jormag didn't always know how to do this.... hence why Ryland needed to hear Taimi's report on Primordus' minions, and do experimentation, to develop the tactic.... as I already pointed out.
This doesn't even require reading between lines. Just basic logical deduction and actually listening to what the NPCs say.
Sounds like the crystal domain to me… not Fury… in fact harmonization doesn’t remotely even come close to anything describing what Fury is, but again how would anyone know, since Fury was some sort of Hail Mary after Kralkatorrik died to give it a second sphere of influence, which is another failure in the story.
The Frozen do come out of left field. Why did Jormag need two Asura to figure out that it could create Frozen? The game doesn’t explain or even hint at it until we are about halfway through Champions, it would make more sense if this was a new ability that Jormag gained from Kralkatorrik, but again that wasn’t stated or hinted anywhere.
I listen to the npc dialogue, I comb through each of the dragon minions hoping to see some sort of combat ability or hint at to what these spheres of influence do. There aren’t any and unfortunately the story did not explain these spheres enough to be honest. The narrative team should have stuck with a more simple concept. Zhaitan is the Death dragon and death only. Mordremoth is the Jungle dragon, etc. I think they wrote themselves into a corner and did a bad job of explaining things.
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9 hours ago, Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:
We're explicitly shown this in Champions.
- Taimi collects data on Primordus' minions, and their elemental feedback loop, in the Metrica Province DRM
- Taimi presents this evidence before the Arcane Council, and Ryland, in the "Jormag's World" story instance at Rata Sum, with Ryland saying he has time to "experiment"
- In the immediate next DRM, the one at Lake Doric, we see Jormag/Ryland start freezing people, in order to mimic what Primordus was doing, as a means to boost Jormag's power.
Fury. Kralkatorrik/the Branded's ability to harmonize with each other to make themselves more powerful. Which was a major plot point in S4 that they could do this, and the basis behind Kralk's weakness as well.
Well she did literally create the first life on Tyria, that being the Elder Dragons.
Similar but fundamentally different. Mordremoth just hijacks your mind, and forcibly takes control of you. Jormag has the ability to use your own desires against you, making you come to it of your own accord.
There's not really much, if any, of a mess here.
I would disagree. I think it’s a big mess. Where did you acquire this interpretation of the Fury Sphere? Jormag’s Frozen came suddenly out of left field. Is it a new ability learned from Kralkatorrik? Did Jormag always know how to do this? I’m fine with reading between the lines, but a lot of the story is non existent when it comes to these points.
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10 minutes ago, Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
Not at all. In GW1, Edge of Destiny, and the skritt storyline it's explained destroyers are formed slowly in vats of lava - spawning pools if you will.
Those erutptions and meteors aren't creating destroyers - they're transporting destroyers.
This is really stretching it, and the talking branded we got don't have anger in them at all imo. You have several cases:
- Chief Kronon - though he doesn't talk in-game afaik, he does talk in the novel, and he's not very furious. In fact, his fury towards Destiny's Edge over his dead son is mitigated by servitude to Kralkatorrik.
- Josso Essher - I guess you can argue anger here, but this feels no more or less angry than any risen shouting at us.
- Victurus the Shattered - This guys is more masochistic than furious.
- Vemyen - This guy is 100% the opposite of furious, and is actively telling us to leave and, later, thanking us for killing him. A shockingly unnatural amount of free will shown for a dragon minion. But it reads more as desperation than fury and anger.
The only other example of a "branded" talking - ignoring Glint and her kids - that I can think of would be Kralkatorrik's Torment, which isn't a branded but rather Kralkatorrik's twisted, warped personality created by conflicted magic. I don't think that has anything to do with Kralkatorrik's domain, as it's basically as furious as Mordremoth or Jormag's tormented selves (arguably more given Kralky was suffering more from Torment than the others, sans maybe Primordus who was also largely animalistic and angry and killing all things).
You also are inconsistent with your own reasoning:
"Jormag corrupts through persuasion", "Primordus corrupts through destruction" (though this is false), "Zhaitan's minions are undead" (presumably that's what you mean by 'obvious'), "Kralkatorrik's minions are angry"
But as I said above, I mentioned above that the second domain has a lot of the Elder Dragon's methodology in it, while the first domain has the form the Elder Dragon's corruption takes. At least, going with the original set-up before Season 4:
- Zhaitan, nicknamed Elder Death Dragon; its corruption takes the form of death. His methods are utilizing shadows.
- Jormag, nicknamed Elder Ice Dragon, its corruption takes the form of ice. Their methods are to persuade and deceive.
- Primordus, nicknamed Elder Fire Dragon, its corruption takes the form of fire. Their methods are of destruction.
- Mordremoth, nicknamed Elder Plant Dragon, its corruption takes the form of plants and vegetation. Their methods and operations are through/to mess with the mind.
- S..., nicknamed Elder Water Dragon, corruption takes the form of water.
I think it's just safest to assume there is no real special meaning behind them swapping Death and Shadow around, or if there was, it was done out of forgetting the reasoning and patterns created by the original set-up when they decided the deep sea dragon should be a good dragon, the Mother, and originator of all life on Tyria. Because the swap happened in Season 4 finale first, which is when that got added, while in Season 3 we still got "Death and Shadow" and the parallels were created for Mordremoth to be "Life", albeit for plants.
And if that's the case, then we have to basically ignore the setups, relations, and lore from before S4's finale to figure out what that "special meaning" was. At which point I think it's just paralleling Death and Life in placement on the domain naming.I guess the real issue here, since arguably the very beginning of the game is the Elder dragon lore hasn’t been consistent.
Zhaitan begins as the death dragon until Season 2 when now he is now described as the dragon of death and shadow, since Anet decided each dragon needed a second sphere of influence for Mordremoth’s mind sphere to make sense, which if you think about it, wasn’t needed. That being said we don’t really have a description for what the Shadow sphere actually is, yes there’s speculation, which I also contributed to, but nothing concrete.
Then we learn post humerus that Kralkatorrik’s second domain is Fury, which again, no description of what that is or what it does. They had opportunities during PoF and S4 to showcase this, but didn’t…
Jormag with Persuasion is shown, but kitten is it ever close to Mordremoth’s mind power.
Primordus and the destruction sphere, again what is it, what does it do, we learn about it that Icebrood magazine as well as in a mail during IBS that Primordus is the dragon of destruction ( or was it conflagration…).
Then Soo-Won with Life… which kinda makes sense… I guess?
Don’t even get me started on the dragon’s using each other’s spheres of influences, because then it becomes even more convoluted. Weird inconsistency with Mordremoth using the death sphere. Kralkatorrik has access to Mordremoth’s mind sphere now, cool! however there is no evidence in the game that really supports or shows this in the game. Same with Primordus receiving this feedback loop from Kralkatorrik… uhhh what sphere is that? When did Jormag figure out after being alive for thousands upon thousands of years that it can make Frozen…
Unique dragon weaknesses, remember those? I had to beg for an answer from the narrative team during an AMA regarding Zhaitan’s weakness, which wasn’t very clear. Mordremoth had his, Jormag and Primordus too and Kralkatorrik’s. What was Soo-Won’s weakness again?When I kinda go over all this in my mind it just feels like it makes next to no sense…
Am I just being an idiot here trying to construct some sort of reasoning out of this mess of dragon lore?
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42 minutes ago, Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
Not sure how Destruction fits Destroyers beyond the name, given they're created out of fire and earth. Or how Persuasion fits for Icebrood, given they're made of Ice. Or Fury and Branded - they're crystal monsters, so they're... furious? And Kuunavang, our only example of Soo-Won's "minions", became watery.
I feel like that's just trying to create a pattern where none exists, like the attempts to relate the Six Gods to the Elder Dragons 1:1.
Besides, as I said before, the corruption fits the (original) primary domains.
The Fire Dragon makes fire minions.
The Death Dragon makes (un)death minions.
The Ice Dragon makes ice minions.
The Crystal Dragon makes crystal minions.
The Plant Dragon makes plant minions.
The Water Dragon makes water minions.Krait have no relation to the Mists or Forgotten though? And the Forgotten are just servants of the Six Gods - no more special than humans. They're not exactly "celestial serpents", just an extraterrestrial race.
I guess persuasions works for Icebrood since that is how Jormag corrupts. Destroyers created from fire and earth, but usually through destructive means, rumbling piles of molten lava, meteors, etc. Death is kinda obvious. Branded and Fury, guess they could be furious. I’m reminded of Fury of the Brand, which is an odd name to name an environmental effect. Oddly enough, I can think of two occasions that Branded talked, perhaps they are in a constant state of anger?
Would be nice if someone on the Narrative team could shed some light now that the dragon cycle is over.
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Thinking about it more, if Death was a secondary sphere, they all kinda line up with the dragon minions. Destruction for Destroyers, Death for Risen, Persuasion for Icebrood, Fury for the Branded. The only on that doesn’t really fit is mind for Mordrem. It kinda works for Sylvari, but not the run of the mill Mordrem. Also unknown if Soo-Won’s Life would fit either.
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On 3/8/2023 at 11:46 AM, Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
Eh.
The issue with this is that in Season 3, Mordremoth and Zhaitan are put as parallels - Mordremoth is even compared to life, incidentally enough:
Helper Qiana: I see now that Zhaitan delivered destruction and death. Mordremoth brought life.
Explorer: Makes sense. The life it brought was dark and dangerous, but it was life nonetheless.
Helper Qiana: And yet, we are not dark and dangerous.
Explorer: Are we not?https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Risen_Lowlands
And then you have the Icebrood Abomination and its grubs, which are injured by the other energy (Mordrem injured by Zhaitan energy, Risen injured by Mordremoth energy). Very similar to Jormag's and Primordus' weaknesses to each other:
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Bitter_Cold_(story)
And if you look at The All: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_All
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P - JAll this would suggest that Soo-Won and Kralkatorrik were paired up, rather than Zhaitan and Soo-Won. This would also work a bit - Death and plantlife, fire and ice, solids and liquids are all opposites.
But who knows if this was ever intended. Or if EoD devs (who were largely swapped out from S2-S3 devs) knew/followed through.
It’s seems that with the weapon collections, they seem to emphasize, the elemental connection first and then the secondary sphere as well… second. It seems to be very consistent through the weapon collection texts as well, especially the titles gained from the collection. I smell a retcon.
Gets me thinking as to whether Shadow is considered an elemental in this universe.
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4 hours ago, Sajuuk Khar.1509 said:
Most of these are just the same thing stated with different words.
Its Flora and Mind, not fauna.
You are correct, my mistake.
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On 3/8/2023 at 10:04 AM, SoftFootpaws.9134 said:
As for Primordus's domain, it wasn't retconned, just disambiguated. Conflagration means a destructive fire so its domains were recursive (fire and destructive fire), which seems like it wasn't well thought out many years ago.
Zhaitan's domains have been swapped ever since War Eternal, I think? Its been debated over the years what shadow magic means to him, but many players now agree he was mostly the shadow dragon. He resurrected the dead, yes, but he also hid in the shadows throughout the entire campaign (compared to Mordremoth and Kralkatorrik who were always like "let's go now, 1v1"), made extensive use of stealth and Mesmer magic, relied entirely on specialised minions (his main weakpoint), etc. The actual death part didn't actually play much of a role in the campaign, aside from the formation of the Pale Reavers. The more you compare him to other dragons the more it makes sense.
Modremoth's domains also keep changing in literally every appearance. Plant and mind, root and madness, vine and mind, and so on, I'm not sure what's even up with it at this point.
According to the new Aurene legendary title it’s the Facet of Fauna and Mind now. Go figure.
I really wished we had more insight into the less obvious secondary spheres , Fury and Destruction, come to mind.
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1 minute ago, Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
Eh.
The issue with this is that in Season 3, Mordremoth and Zhaitan are put as parallels - Mordremoth is even compared to life, incidentally enough:
Helper Qiana: I see now that Zhaitan delivered destruction and death. Mordremoth brought life.
Explorer: Makes sense. The life it brought was dark and dangerous, but it was life nonetheless.
Helper Qiana: And yet, we are not dark and dangerous.
Explorer: Are we not?https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Risen_Lowlands
And then you have the Icebrood Abomination and its grubs, which are injured by the other energy (Mordrem injured by Zhaitan energy, Risen injured by Mordremoth energy). Very similar to Jormag's and Primordus' weaknesses to each other:
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Bitter_Cold_(story)
And if you look at The All: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_All
S - K
Z - M
P - JAll this would suggest that Soo-Won and Kralkatorrik were paired up, rather than Zhaitan and Soo-Won. This would also work a bit - Death and plantlife, fire and ice, solids and liquids are all opposites.
But who knows if this was ever intended. Or if EoD devs (who were largely swapped out from S2-S3 devs) knew/followed through.
Oh I agree that original pairing of Zhaitan/Mordremoth, Jormag/Primordus and Soo-Won/ Kralkatorrik is the bigger theme to focus on, just thought it was a bit interesting on these secondary spheres a slight pattern too.
Just one more thing about the Wizard's Vault - the sound when claiming progress
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I enjoy the sound, it’s such a satisfying chime!