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6 hours ago, Gibson.4036 said:

Now that we’ve seen more of the skiffs, swimsuits are a must! Anchored swimming platform! Maybe we could have a cannonball emote off the side with a huge splash.

I was thinking the exact same thing. There's just so many adding factors to the fact that Swimsuits, and Anet not implementing them, is just more and more mind boggling and illogical.

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1 hour ago, Mil.3562 said:

And as for the dying of undies, it could be something that is too complicated or impossible to do?  Another thing about outfits is I believe their biggest concern is seeing 50 players in swimwear fighting meta bosses lol. Maybe they will come up with a way to prevent that.

Again, this is a weird stipulation. Like Gibson said, this is not likely to ever happen to begin with. Some people may rock the outfit in world bosses, most won't, since they like their other outfits. Why does anything need to be done to prevent it - There's no way to prevent 50 people fighting the Shatterer in Magical girl dresses or some absolutely terrible transmute outfit with hideous colors,but that's not an issue apparently.

Not even trying to be confrontational, I literally don't get why this divide exists.

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1 hour ago, Mil.3562 said:

 

You think you win every time. Think only.

Many do not wish to post or rebut you unless they want to turn this into a 50 page topic only to see who wins, that is whoever gets the last say in this, Yes or No, sorry i mean only Yes poll. You reminded me of someone in one of my guilds, she has to have the last say on even the smallest and most trivial of all things or jokes. So many of us just... Let Her Win. Same here. You 'win'.

Default is the best kind of win. I think I'm a winner, my mom says I'm a winner, you said I'm a winner, so, winner is me. All I do is win. Except not, because the actual win would be Anet releasing the Swimsuit Outfit using the designs they've already made, with the assets they have, for the money they could make.

Also what is everyone's deal with my poll. It's straight forward, and you have like 5 answers to pick from, it could not be more simple or allow for a wider range of Logical* views.

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1 hour ago, Gibson.4036 said:

I think you're confusing obtuse with tongue-in-cheek.

It should be pretty clear by now that Altonese likes to make humorously bold statements.

I don't see a burden of proof on anyone here. It's a forum, we say what we think. No one's going to "win" with the ultimate argument. You don't find "the skins are already in the game so it shouldn't be a ton of work" convincing. Other's do. That's pretty much as far as we can go without direct ANet input.

Pretty much this. I've yet to see an argument against that's not some form of 'I'd just like people to be unhappy because I have social issues or issues I never thought to deal with'.

Amount of time? Effort? not wanting the 'aesthetic', is all disproven with Anet's -recent- work, nevermind legacy. Yes, I want swimsuits, but my reasons are rooted in common sense and not spite or some weird idea that somehow introducing to players what is already in the game is coocoo crazy.

Though the only thing Gibson got wrong is thus; I've won this thread, every time.

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5 minutes ago, kharmin.7683 said:

Now you're just being obtuse.

Good luck with your request. 

 

You've said that to me before, and then come back with some odd request like 'show me your marketing data'. Like I just have that laying around - I made a poll, thats what I got, that and yes, common sense. They would sell well and if you could prove to me swimsuits, for the beach, on all character models, would not be worth the hours of work put in to the swimsuits already in game, on other models - Then I will jump off a bridge.

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5 minutes ago, kharmin.7683 said:

No I mean marketing data to support your claim that "There's no doubt swimsuits would sell well on the Gemstore."  If you can show this, then Anet might listen.  Otherwise, it is just an opinion statement. 

Alright, I sent my sophisticated marketing data to Anet. I can't show you here, NDA and all that.It wasn't hard to put together though, I will say that. A little bit of google, my poll, and common sense.

Also 'opinion statement' I mean sure? I guess it is my opinion. It's my opinion that the earth is round too, so I've got a good track record so far.

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1 minute ago, kharmin.7683 said:

Where is your marketing data to support such claims? 

The magazine aisle in every store. The concept of going to the beach, also very popular - No 'marketing data' on that, just my own outside experience. Anet's willingness to continue putting up like the Pharaoh's Garb which already border on swimsuits except with jangly bits. The fact that people constantly ask on the forums - Oh, and, of course, my poll? Need more?

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ArenaNet is supposed to be a fairly open-minded company, which it should be. It's amazing seeing LGBT representation in-game, and heart-warming. Likewise as has been posted, ArenaNet is no prude when it comes to armours and outfits. The fact remains that not a single argument that has been presented against a Swimsuit Outfit release has been undercut, 99% of the time by ArenaNet themselves. Aside from vague notions of aesthetic philosophy which also don't hold up under scrutiny.

I approached this thread with a different mindset, in my view; I'm a role-player and this would be great for that, but 'please give us this outfit because it's fun for role-players' is a fairly easy statement to ignore. Shouldn't be ignored, but it usually is. -Revenue- though, can't be ignored. There's no doubt swimsuits would sell entirely well on the Gemstore. People enjoy the look, the idea of going to a beach and having a fun time with their friends, RP or not.

You'll gain in revenue multiple times over the cost of labour for a designer/dev to settle up to touch up models already in-game for the five races.

How do I know? Simple math. I don't need to be a Business Wizard, it's not that complicated.

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Just now, Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:

It's not always a good reason.  This game is international, and you have to appeal to the age-ratings standards of multiple nations.  I.E. Tiami isn't allowed to be shown in danger by U.S. standards, but that is something France wouldn't have a problem with.  Once the rules and ratings are in place, doing something like introducing bikinis into the game could change that, and could require legal action even if the game remains T rated.  I.E. "This game was advertised to not have sexual content, but now it does" kind of issues.  

 

Aesthetic philosophy is simple.  There's been threads of people complaining about unrealistic armor for fighting.  I also have vague memories of a dev saying they didn't like how it would look to have beach warriors fighting in a medieval fantasy game.  

I totally get what you're saying, so what I'm about to say isn't at you but at the devs, in terms of Aesthetic Philosophy - Anet has no leg to friggin stand on. Not a one. 'Beach Warriors' oh right cuz Magical Girl Dresses, Deep Cleavage Winter Dresses, Halloween Costumes, and ridiculously over-bright, glowy, or jangly bit outfits are fine in their 'medieval fantasy game'? That's taking the kitten.

As for the age-ratings of countries, I've never seen swimsuits cause issue in FF14 for example, which is Asia, NA, and EU. The fact is, it isn't sexual content. It just isn't. Not even asking for that, just bathing suits. Also on the age-factor, they are -in- the game. So obviously it can't be that. They're already swimsuits, on npc models. Putting them on characters makes no difference except making people happy and getting gemstore revenue.

(Again, none of this rant is at you Arachnid, it's at Anet. I appreciate the feedback.)

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20 minutes ago, Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said:

You're glowing in the dark here, kharmin.  The skins are already designed, in the game, and it is pretty clear that demand is high for those skins.  With how much work is already done, as well as how little work it would take for minimalist outfits to be made player ready, the reasons why they aren't in the game is clearly either legal or aesthetic philosophy.  This so many words to say to never trust anyone who tells you not to think.  

If it was legal, my mind would be boggled. If it was Aesthetic philosophy, I'd be even -more- boggled. There's absolutely no good reason. No one has yet to give me a good reason that isn't A) Personal preference B) Vague shots in the dark C) Some weird inclination for people to not get something they would like - In which case, seek help.

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13 hours ago, GRRRR.3521 said:

Whats prolly several years ago now there was a similar thread where the op had a really well done collage of multiple swimsuits. It was really well done, looked like an actual gemstore thing. Also not just pure *beep* off material (nothing wrong with that but hey) but some pretty good designs and both genders. One of em was like a competition swimsuit with a fur stola thing, totally impractical but cool, woulda bought that instantly. Cant find that thread anymore, too bad 😞

 

EDIT: well dang look at these norns

 

IO just wish I could know Anet's thinking. Imagine yourself as an individual, at your job, and someone told you 'hey, we need you to do something that you often do at your job, and that's already half done for you' and you say 'oh i can do that' and they say 'and we'll pay you 10x as much as you normally get.' Who in their right mind says no?

A bit of a ramble. Basically, swimsuits are the equivalent of Anet finding a thousand dollars just sitting there with a note that says 'you may have me' and Anet is, what, having trouble deciding whether to take it?

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On 9/3/2021 at 1:12 PM, AgentMoore.9453 said:

This is true, but after expending the effort to sculpt a pile of gold coins for a small fraction of the playerbase to lay on, I think a beach rectangle would be pretty easy by comparison for something a large portion of the playerbase could purchase in the shop. I can also think of several pre-existing props for beach-related weapons (coconut bevvies in the LA cave bar, for example - instant focus or warhorn).

Tasty icing, good icing, sure. But easy just-add-water icing too.

No you're absolutely right. The fact is, again, aside from flimsy claims about 'vision' which don't add up, and people having a weird thing about seeing swimsuits in the open world (despite the already present myriad of ridiculous 'combat' outfits, which implies it's more just a contrarian thing) Swimsuits and items alongside it, like everything you just suggested.

Anet is basically missing out on revenue to help EoD development for work that's arguably not as much effort as a full magical girl outfit and weapon set.

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58 minutes ago, kharmin.7683 said:

I agree.  Some, though, might find shorts/tshirts to be significantly different than swimsuits with regards to their vision.  /shrug

That's someone's right to think that way. Just like it's mine to say thats entirely weird/untenable in my mind. Like no, I cannot fathom how a swimsuit will 'take someone out of the immersion' compared to - Nevermind outfits, people's normal armor skins and the glowing particle atrocities and the cosplays and the already skimpy armors available. Like to me, it seems contrarian at best to not want swimsuits for aesthetic reasons. Like 'I'd rather people be unhappy then something they like comes in to play that has no effect on me'.

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46 minutes ago, Lyssia.4637 said:

That's what my mother always told me would happen, if I went swimming too soon.

 

Heck, yeah!  If I can be a magical girl on my magical pink flying unicorn-griffin, shooting people with my magical Rainbow Brite shortbow, I see no reason I couldn't be a Charr James Bond, surrounded by swimsuit-clad beauties of every other race.  😎

 

Hey, come to think of it, why don't we already have cocktails in this game?  We have beer, ale, wine, and hard eggnog, at the very least.  I think Anet has something against summer.  I mean, we even have a spring outfit, and lots for winter and autumn... but all we have for hot weather is really aimed at life in the desert.  🤔

This is the thing that gets me. 'I want them to focus on something else'. The fact is, they have people making outfits/weapon sets. They had someone put in the work for their magical school girl stuff. So clearly it's someone's job to work on that stuff. So. Swimwear.

Mind you, stuff like beach chairs and fire-pits and beach-themed weapon sets are all just icing on the cake. They may take more work. What won't is just the simple premise, Faren and Kasmeer swimwear for all races, genders, etc. Everything else? Beachc chair? Icing on the cake. Don't get me wrong, it'd be -great- icing.

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29 minutes ago, Gibson.4036 said:

Aw, man. We don't need a lock. There's plenty of discussion to be had.

Just realize, this is a forum, where there's back and forth. You could do a letter writing campaign by email or snail mail, and we could keep on talking about swimsuit possibilities here.

You never needed to make this a one person show. You have allies in this quest for outfits aquatical, and they will help keep this thread alive with thoughts and desires and conversation. You could even be strategic about your posts, contributing when the thread is in danger of dropping onto page two, rather than just dropping a "it's this day" once a day.

Maybe a peace offering to Greyhawk will soothe their need for vengeance, and we can all go back to dreaming about swim parties in the sun throughout Cantha and beyond.

 

12 minutes ago, Lyssia.4637 said:

Well said, Gibson.

 

Indeed you do have allies in your support for swimwear.  And with that in mind, here's my letter to Anet.

 

Dear Anet,

 

I appreciate you are very busy with everything else, but...  This is what I'm reduced to. 

 

We really need swimwear.

 

Thank you!

I appreciate you guys. It's a bit f hope in a dreary day, and it makes me wonder why things just 'are the way they are'. This is a good thing to have. Is it life making? No, it's a nice quality of life feature in a game that we love, and it's worth trying to bring to Anet's attention, and if people disagree, thats fine. You do you.

We want swimsuits, a none ridiculous outfit choice.

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1 hour ago, The Greyhawk.9107 said:

Just a select handful, with Altonese currently being on that list.  All joking aside I couldn't care less if Anet put out swimsuit outfits or not.  I just get tired of some of these topics that constantly get repeat threads, not unlike the current Open world Dueling thread.  Altonese gained my ire in this thread specifically when they told "dissenters" to make their own thread instead of posting in this one.  No argument, no disagreement, no discussion.  Its become a joke now, but it wasn't in that initial post.

Just wanted something nice for people, something easy and something Anet could get revenue off of. It was supposed to be a petition-style letter-a-day. That's all. I had the stupid idea that maybe it'd work.

If a mod could lock this thread, or not, whatever works, I don't care anymore.

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14 hours ago, The Greyhawk.9107 said:

Like I mentioned before, I've never been very good at doing what people try to tell me to do.

Some reverse psychology on your butt, -don't- support swimsuits.

(Support swimsuits and its September 1st, but there's no time like the present, Anet!)

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5 hours ago, Lyssia.4637 said:

I don't imagine it could possibly be that hard.  I'm just going off of modding experience with other games, but at least from that, once you've done the work to make an outfit work for a body model, it's not much extra work to make it accessible for player characters.  Biggest thing, I would think, is the entries for the Outfit section of the wardrobe.  Though someone knows more about GW2 skinning specifically is welcome to correct me if I'm wrong.

 

Maybe they are just having trouble deciding which models to release?  With that many awesome styles of bathing suits in that screenshot above, I cannot imagine why you would put all that work into it an NOT do that little extra to release them for players! When we do get bathing suits, they're going to look really, really good.

Preach. Absolute -preach-.

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5 hours ago, The Greyhawk.9107 said:

You're dreams will be shattered.  And eventually the mods will lock this thread if its just you posting in it.

Calm down Joker.

It's August 31st, happy Festival everyone! Would it be great if swimsuits came out with this release? Certainly. Does the fight end here if they don't? Not a chance. Shout out to everyone showing their support as well!

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August 30th, and tomorrow is Festival of the Four Winds! I wanna make sure something's clear off the top; tomorrow isn't make or break. They don't release swimsuits tomorrow? Oh well. Then I keep writing. Would it be great, make sense financially, morally, logically, and fit in with the Festival? Of course. I just don't want people coming in here like 'hehehe sucka you thought'. This thread don't die.

NO DISseNT aLLOwED.

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5 hours ago, Mil.3562 said:

+10 for the effort, enthusiasm, perseverance and relentless self assurance that this will happen.

0, nada, zip for reality.

 

Eventually, the big bad wolf i mean ANet will come and says, " I'll huff and i'll puff and i'll blow your dreams away... "

 

The End. Sorry no happy ending for this one.

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I choose victory.

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47 minutes ago, NotTooFoolish.7412 said:

Toughness would be awful for raids, go with Vitality instead.

When the man's right, the man's right. 10 Vitality it is, throw in +10% Exp Bonus.

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Today is August 29th, and I forgot about sunscreen. Sunscreen, +10% Magic Find, and +10 Toughness. 

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6 minutes ago, The Greyhawk.9107 said:

Yeah, I was never good at listening to what people tell me to do.

Also, you keep bringing up the days date in your posts.  If that was relevant to Arenanet and any plan to release swimsuits, wouldn't they do that at the beginning of Summer and not the very end of it?

It's relevant to me. Reminds me of what the date is if I ever forget. Also, I look forward to swimsuits any time, honestly. Give them to me in December, I'll wear 'em in snowy DR.

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12 minutes ago, The Greyhawk.9107 said:

Wouldn't hold my breath if I were you, oh wait I forgot dissent isn't allowed on "your" thread.

You're catching on comrade.