[January 30 Balance Update Preview Thief Changes]

I haven't touched this game in two years because I grew sick and tired at the complete and utter ineptitude of the Balance Team. It's disheartening to return two years later and see that ArenaNet's balance team is still hilariously inept. Truly the worst balance team I've ever seen in any game, ever. I guess I'll extend my absence for another two years. Who knows, maybe by then, ArenaNet will hire someone who actually knows what they're doing...HA, like that'll ever happen. 

[Stop complaning and enjoy the game, here's how]

7 hours ago, Sevens.9452 said:

 

oh and people seem to love complaining about rng:

one group did it with 6mins to spare (the post is gone so i cant link it)

and based on this analysis, rng only accounts for 3-5mins, so stop blaming rng, the meta's fine. and teapot is clearning the meta regularly at the moment

2nd oh before people go there, teapot already said: "We are on the case! But you didn't pay for the mount, you paid for the ability to unlock the mount!" (see comments section https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOm-BGR1ka0)

 

 

[DO NOT nerf Dragon's End meta.]

At this point, it's safe to assume the people defending this poorly designed meta are little more than Elitest Gate Keepers who have already gotten their turtles. People who got lucky and have an inflated sense of superiority, purely through extreme luck, and not skill, and want to keep us peasants away from the turtle so they can feel important for once in their lives.

[The community asks for nerfs to shadowarts, thief mains agree, and you just boost reliance on shadowarts even more, hello?]

42 minutes ago, Zacchary.6183 said:

Maybe the thief community could, perhaps, ask anet to buff the performance of other non-stealth builds instead of using stealth until anet deletes it from the game. Just an idea.

That's precisely what we've been doing for nigh on a decade. It's not our fault the Balance team at Anet is staffed entirely by chimpanzees.

[2/28 PvP Balance]

4 hours ago, Magenall.5374 said:

also is funny thief players angry about their ability that '' gives invis, cures condis+ heals'' is getting increased cooldown .

Because now there's literally no reason to pick the skill over other heals, unless you use Shadow Arts. They may as well have deleted the skill from the game. A 40s cooldown heal, untraited? If you're not running Shadow Arts, it's now trash. All they've accomplished with these Thief changes, is forcing thief even further into SA.

Anet once again proving that they either don't play their own game, or suffer from levels of ineptitude that cannot be measured by normal means. Maybe even both.

[So let me get this straight [Merged]]

On 2/6/2022 at 2:24 PM, Blue D Phoenix.7260 said:

God kitten these entitled people. You bought a game and now every new things should be free? Lol. Gw2 is kind enough to offer us,

1. Free core game, with infinite trail time and max level 80. (No other good mmos does it)
2. Bundle two expansions for the price of one! ( and soemtimes its on discount)
3. Give new LWS episodes for free just cause you logged in (new story,map,mounts,MPS,etc - there's a lot of work put into it, you think your entitled to have it for free cause you paid 15$?lol)
4. Gold to gems convert!! (I bought all the skins and account upgrade using this, i cant afford much irl)

As a person from a 3rd world country who cant afford 10+usd every month for entertainment, gw2 gave me the opportunity to play with less cost. Hell, it made me paperchase eod.

And if you want montly sub or something similar in gw2, i suggest play on china server, they have that system.

This, all of this. I have been saying this for a long time now. Today's gamers are so entitled, they feel like they should be given everything for free, with little to no regard for how hard the Devs have worked to deliver said content.

Anet has been more than generous with their content since launch. You are not owed anything, nor do you have the right to demand anything for free. They're people, not slaves. (unrelated note; its a bout time the Gaming Industry got Unions.)

Thank you for this post.

[Every Going to Address warrior's complaints?]

Warrior isn't Guardian or Necromancer, therefore, Anet doesn't care. That's the sad reality we find ourselves in.

Edit: Oh hey, there's an idea; maybe if we paint our Warriors blue or green, Anet will finally notice us!

[Perma Stealth Thiefs - What to do?]

Just now, Sahne.6950 said:

but why even participate in the debate? when all you have to say is: people in theef forums are crybabys that dont want to hear any reasonable arguments! they are just here to cry and get teef deleted!

dont waste your breath if you think it is wasted.

That's because once upon a time, I used to care about the debate and the balance. Meh, maybe I still care on some level; Thief is one of my three favorite classes. Or maybe it's only because I worry one of these days, Anet may actually take these people seriously. Looking at the state of Warrior (3rd favorite class), I'd say that's cause for concern.

Anyways, all I did was summarize the thread for late comers. 😁

[Perma Stealth Thiefs - What to do?]

3 minutes ago, Sahne.6950 said:

hmm from my feeling the people read and understood what i was saying... no one was like: BUBUBUB YOUR WRONG!!!! NERF THIEF.

I sense alot of anger in you my friend.

Nah, not so much anger as resignation. I've been reading threads like this since Headstart, 2012. And I've come across at least a dozen people who openly admit they just want the whole class deleted from the game. Just some friendly advice; quit while you're ahead. It'll save you a lot of headaches.

[Perma Stealth Thiefs - What to do?]

1 minute ago, Sahne.6950 said:

ahh okey if you would have read the whole thread you would have noticed that i was infact giving suggestions for compensations and how to do certain things. I was the one that was saying that thiefs doesnt need any nerfs...

Well then, good for you. You're one of the very few reasonable people where thief is concerned. Unfortunately, and I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you're just banging your head against the wall. The people you're trying to convince, don't care. 

[Perma Stealth Thiefs - What to do?]

11 minutes ago, Sahne.6950 said:

why do you quote me? i am the one saying no to most of the suggestions here because they would be nerfs to thiefs... have you even read the whole post?

i am demanding a fix for the "permastealth in keeps and port your mates in here" problem.. not a nerf for thiefs.

 

Uh, because you quoted me...? And I read the whole post. If you meant the whole thread, then lol no. That'd be a waste of time. 11 Pages obstinate screaming about how teef is OP (and yet one of the least played classes in the game 🤔)  None of these people want to hear about buffs or compensation; it's all about deleting things they don't like. 

I suppose I'll waste my breath and repeat what the reasonable people in this thread have already said; if you nerf shadow arts, then you should buff something else in compensation. Like 300cd traits, or rework acrobatics. Something. 

Edit: I'd also add that I wouldn't mind Shadow Arts being toned down. As long as Acrobatics gets the love it needs and deserves. Ah, but I guess that just makes me a filthy thief defender. 🤷‍♂️

[Perma Stealth Thiefs - What to do?]

Just now, Sahne.6950 said:

well infact in the beginning there is something that makes sense and should be looked at imo. Thiefs being able to survive 15+ people in a keep while also being able to port their own allys into the said keep. Its a big thing in WvW....

I stopped taking "nerf teef" threads seriously a long time ago, bud. Ya'll want nerfs to thief, but when anyone dares ask for compensation, even something as meager as a rework to 300s cd traits, you fly off the hinges. There have been plenty of reasonable suggestions made by Thieves, in the Thief forum for years, but you don't want to hear about buffs or compnesation.

You all just want to delete everything you don't like. 

[Perma Stealth Thiefs - What to do?]

For all newcomers, allow me to summarize this thread for ya'll.

Ahem

"Nerf/Delete everything I don't like. How dare you make me put in effort, or, god forbid use my brain! *gasps in l2p*"

You're welcome.

[I dont understand the fascination with Cantha]

2 minutes ago, witcher.3197 said:

The very creators of Cantha are long gone or don't care.

Oh they know Cantha no question, they need to have an indepth knowledge of what they want to remove to make sure none of its essence makes it into EoD, not even by accident.

Right, they don't care, because it's not what you wanted. We've already established that, mate. 

[I dont understand the fascination with Cantha]

Just now, Sobx.1758 said:

Every game has an end, what point are you even trying to make here? Gw2 won't be forever? Uh... you don't say?! It still has no relevance to anything said here, especially in a situation where another expansion is released in less than a month 🤷‍♂️

Apparently, throwing a fit because "I didn't get what I wanted" is the adult thing to do these days.

[I dont understand the fascination with Cantha]

13 minutes ago, witcher.3197 said:

Enjoy moving forward into maintenance mode while getting ripped off   🤷‍♂️

If I had a dime for every "the end is nigh" post ever made on these forums, I could afford to buy a summer home in Hawaii. 🙄

[I dont understand the fascination with Cantha]

3 hours ago, witcher.3197 said:

Because the fascination comes from GW1 Cantha, which has nothing to do with GW2 Cantha. Anet made no effort to recapture the magic of the original.

Think of them as 2 separate things that share a name.

I don't get his mentality at all. It's been 260 years since GW1 happened. You do know that things change, that technology advances, like, a lot in just a 100 years right? All you have to do is look at how much technology advanced in the last 100 years in real life.

Edit: And I'd like to add, to be very clear, in the last 100 years, we went from launching washing machines into space, to preparing to colonize Mars. Just for perspective. 

"Anet didn't copy-paste Cantha from GW1, so it's bad."

[For the love of lore please...an update!]

1 hour ago, Gorgaan Peaudesang.8324 said:

It's safe with Malyck and Zojja.

All of which are locked inside that mysterious Wizard's Tower that was somehow moved to Garenhoff some time between GW1 and GW2

[delete thief]

Just now, Math.5123 said:

You have to think of the intra-class dynamics of the game. If you nerf, say core guard. This would be an enormous nerf to necro as they would get ping ponged to death and would probably end the double necro meta.

 

Buffing thief would nerf mesmer and generally other sidenoders and revs.

Nerfing necro would buff both renegade and herald to a spot where we probably don't want them. 

 

So I guess this answers your question. 

But this isn't about Necromancer, or Mesmer, or any other class. This thread is specifically about Thief. And I haven't called for buffing thief, but against arbitrarily Smiter's Booning the entire Shadow Arts traitline. Though Acrobatics could use a little love.

[delete thief]

3 minutes ago, Math.5123 said:

I would, broadly speaking; saying that people that are at least semi high rated with an understanding of how the game works are qualified. 

And it merits asking because your two previous posts show a clear lack of either engagement or understanding of the current meta and outliers.

So  to summarize;

In a thread about thief, because I don't know as much about necromancer as I apparently should, I shouldn't have or voice an opinion about thief? 

😕

[delete thief]

6 minutes ago, Math.5123 said:

Actual question. If you don't take pvp seriously and you've "heard a bit" about necros being oppressive while not having any first hand experience. Do you really feel you're qualified to partake in balance discussions? 

This is a serious question and I'm not trying to undermine you.

And why does this question merit asking in a thread about Thief? I'd also like to know who gets to decide who is and isn't qualified to partake in balance discussions. Because if we arbitrarily start deciding who can or can't have opinions on balance, this entire board would be like, a single page long.

Edit: I also "don't take pvp seriously" because I run my own builds and play for fun, rather than copy-paste meta builds from snowcrows or metabattle, just to win.

[delete thief]

9 minutes ago, Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:

Core necro is stronger than scourge. The MAT meta has been 2 core necros for months now.

Hmm. I don't take PvP that seriously (or seriously at all really). Though I think I've heard a quite a bit about that. People have been debating Condi builds and class stacking for a long time. Though Necro stacking does seem to have become popular recently. I don't generally play condi builds though, so I can't speak to that. 

 

 

[delete thief]

15 minutes ago, Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:

nerf necro too with no compensation pls

Scourge could definitely use some nerfs, you won't hear me disagree on that. Idk about core Necro. If we're talking about Minionmancer, there's not a lot they can do w/ Minions outside of making them useless like turrets. Although maybe re-introducing the natural health degeneration minions had in GW1. Minions shouldn't be on the field permanently.

[delete thief]

59 minutes ago, TrollingDemigod.3041 said:

If it's broken beyond fixes, then yes, I want that class/elite spec/whatever to be removed from the game entirely and remade from scratch.
The balance of the game should be something that everyone should strive for, yet what we mostly see is people defending the most broken things in the game for their own merits, in this case busted stealth on a class with highest possible mobility in the entire game.

So broken in fact, that it's one of the least played classes in the game. People like you make the Thief class sound like some omnipotent invisible deity that can indiscriminately smite people from anywhere, at any moment. By the way, I don't think you understand how "balance" works.

Shadow Arts is overperforming.

Acrobatics is underperforming.

You want to nerf Shadow Arts without any compensation.

Stop pretending to care about balance. The only thing you're interested in, is yourself. 

Edit: Oh and btw, I don't main Thief in PvP. I mostly play either Mesmer or Necro. 🙂

[Time to remove Steal boon priority]

4 hours ago, TheBigPlay.7504 said:

the cry babies will never stop. No means NO

But, but...it's so much easier to come cry on the forums, than to spend time in-game actually learning to play!!1!!one! 😲