Runecrafter's Salvage-o-matic returns Lucent motes instead of the runes

[Dukotje.4382]

Instead of extracting the runes and sigils i tested 5 armor pieces of the trading post. Instead of receiving multiple runes, i got a Charm of Potence and 12 lucent motes.

the description says its 100% chance of salvaging upgrades.. i just bought the thing and would kind of be a waste imo otherswise.

[Inculpatus cedo.9234]

'Salvage' means to break down. 

When you salvage armor, you break it down.

 

'Recover' means to remove.

Black Lion Salvage Kits have 100% chance to recover (remove) upgrades.

 

A Runecrafter Salvage Kit has a 100% chance to salvage upgrades.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Runecrafter's_Salvage-o-Matic#Notes

 

You can contact the CS Team via the 'Support' link above/below and request a refund, if you are unhappy.  Worst they can say is "no". 

 

Edited July 21, 2021 by Inculpatus cedo.9234

[Dukotje.4382]

Yikes, i didn't realize it returns the salvaged version of the runes. ty for the explaination

 

[DeanBB.4268]

You need a ton of those lucents and symbols if you're ever going to make legendary runes or sigils. I use the rune salvager on greens and yellows, regular salvag-o-matic on whites and blues. I can make my next legendary sigil now, but it'll cost something like 92g mostly in symbols that I don't have, so I'm waiting until I really need it.

[Komodoro.7154]

I had this situation and contacted support. And I was told we should put this in the foruns so Devs could help us out.

@GM Cunorix

@GM Cunorix.3764 was a really great help about it

I believe the description has been there since the item came out. Perhaps this is "bad programming" or "not well implemented" or "the description was always wrong". I think Arenanet staff and peeps are already aware cause this is not the first time it has been on the Trading Post but now that it comes to our attention that is on promotion people like you, the author of the thread and me want to buy it. But we have to make the inteligent move here.

 

Or we get a new definition out of what is "an upgrade"? and Instanciate both and we get the most lovely people on planet earth to add that to the wiki and have a delicious proper descritption and help to explain this item to Tyria or... or nothing. We won't do nothing. =/

The thing is the moral and ethic part of the matter at hands. You have a marketing strategy and a strategy to make this game profitable and livable... who plays this wants to have fun and some quality of life inside the game. This item has no limit of use which adds up to the effectiveness at hand. Cause black lion salvage kit have a limit of usage.

This is all math and power in numbers. I think there are worse (in a good way) broken items that the game has and people use it daily. I'm just gonna reference Toy Axe (please dont nerf or touch this).

So, who can we ping at least to read this topic?
Make this a better thread with more participants?

[xianvar.6075]

 

1 hour ago, Komodoro.7154 said:

I believe the description has been there since the item came out. Perhaps this is "bad programming" or "not well implemented" or "the description was always wrong". I think Arenanet staff and peeps are already aware cause this is not the first time it has been on the Trading Post but now that it comes to our attention that is on promotion people like you, the author of the thread and me want to buy it. But we have to make the inteligent move here.

 

it's not an issue of the description being wrong, it's an issue of the difference between what the Black Lion Salvage Kit ("recover") does and what the normal kits ("salvage") do, as already mentioned by Inculpatus cedo.9234 previously. I agree that it's not ideal, but they are at least consistent in their use from what I see (salvaging always means breaking items down into their base components, not recovering applied sigils etc).

[Komodoro.7154]

1 hour ago, xianvar.6075 said:

 

it's not an issue of the description being wrong, it's an issue of the difference between what the Black Lion Salvage Kit ("recover") does and what the normal kits ("salvage") do, as already mentioned by Inculpatus cedo.9234 previously. I agree that it's not ideal, but they are at least consistent in their use from what I see (salvaging always means breaking items down into their base components, not recovering applied sigils etc).

Ok... lets define what "salvage" means:
I believe the below link of the cambridge dictionary is a safe place to start from:
"to save goods from damage or destruction, especially from a ship that has sunk or been damaged or a building that has been damaged by fire or a flood: "
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/pt/dicionario/ingles/salvaging

"to get something back that was lost or almost destroyed"

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/pt/dicionario/ingles/recover?q=recovering+

 

This is why they have "percentage" values in front of their descriptions.
I'm getting what you are saying. But if we put this down in plain English, then we have a situation over here.

Semantics

 

And some items are salvageable with the other kits (lower/inferior quality [and even gem store ones, silver and copper]) getting you the "rune" or "sigil" even with "lower" percentage.
The thing here is really the "percentage", semantics and effectiveness. Most precisely what Arenanet really wanted with their "digital" "ingame" product to achieve. They have to come out and be honest.

There has been already numerous posts about this which I did not read. And ... I'm a bit of a slacker to go search for an answer from them. If there is one.

[Komodoro.7154]

2 hours ago, xianvar.6075 said:

 

it's not an issue of the description being wrong, it's an issue of the difference between what the Black Lion Salvage Kit ("recover") does and what the normal kits ("salvage") do, as already mentioned by Inculpatus cedo.9234 previously. I agree that it's not ideal, but they are at least consistent in their use from what I see (salvaging always means breaking items down into their base components, not recovering applied sigils etc).

But ok, lets put it to "theory":

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Salvage_kit
 

Looking at this table and cheking the related "upgrade link":

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Upgrade_component

We get the upgrades.

 

So, to get the Upgrades, for a 95% of sure, we should be using Crude Salvage Kit because "Has a small chance of salvaging upgrades" [small (~5%)] .

 

Since, salvaging destroys the upgrades then we should be inverting the situation. Is that it?

[Linken.6345]

You dont get the sigils back anymore the 5% is the chance to get material it is always broken with a crude kit or any kit for that matter other then the black lion kit that recover.

[Komodoro.7154]

1 hour ago, Linken.6345 said:

You dont get the sigils back anymore the 5% is the chance to get material it is always broken with a crude kit or any kit for that matter other then the black lion kit that recover.

but the other has also 100%. Its a matter of semantics or eventual effectiveness.

[Linken.6345]

3 hours ago, Komodoro.7154 said:

but the other has also 100%. Its a matter of semantics or eventual effectiveness.

Yes to salvage instead of recover so its consistent

[Inculpatus cedo.9234]

It's named Runecrafter's because to craft Runes you need the components of Runes.

 

From the in-game description:

 

Some items you'll find will be salvageable. Use a salvage kit to break them down into crafting materials.

— Salvaging

 

To craft Runes (and Sigils), you need Lucent Motes and Charms (and Symbols).

Edited July 24, 2021 by Inculpatus cedo.9234

[Komodoro.7154]

2 hours ago, Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:

It's named Runecrafter's because to craft Runes you need the components of Runes.

 

From the in-game description:

 

Some items you'll find will be salvageable. Use a salvage kit to break them down into crafting materials.

— Salvaging

 

To craft Runes (and Sigils), you need Lucent Motes and Charms (and Symbols).

 
Completly misguiding when you have Silver-Fed Salvage-o-Matic, for example which says clearly the same (except percentage wide): "Double-click to salvage crafting materials from an item in your inventory. 25% chance of rarer materials. 80% chance of salvaging upgrades.  " And doesn't give you lucent motes.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Silver-Fed_Salvage-o-Matic

As I said.: Semantics.
Which leaves the question who would buy this salvage kit to get that out? That's what driving this whole thing. We are being friendly enough to make awareness for them to see that there is clearly something up. Decision making person/group in Arenanet took the will and did this some years ago? Yeah sure no problem. Community is here to help.
Beside, players would clearly go through the double process to get lucent motes if needed from sigils and runes instead of getting it directly. Speaking for myself also, I'm  from Portugal and I'm not native American-English speaking person, I'm taking stuff literal.

I take the "runecrafter" name a little far off and would be more to get the rune out instead of crafting. (now that would be just plain marketing).

[Linken.6345]

4 hours ago, Komodoro.7154 said:

 
Completly misguiding when you have Silver-Fed Salvage-o-Matic, for example which says clearly the same (except percentage wide): "Double-click to salvage crafting materials from an item in your inventory. 25% chance of rarer materials. 80% chance of salvaging upgrades.  " And doesn't give you lucent motes.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Silver-Fed_Salvage-o-Matic

As I said.: Semantics.
Which leaves the question who would buy this salvage kit to get that out? That's what driving this whole thing. We are being friendly enough to make awareness for them to see that there is clearly something up. Decision making person/group in Arenanet took the will and did this some years ago? Yeah sure no problem. Community is here to help.
Beside, players would clearly go through the double process to get lucent motes if needed from sigils and runes instead of getting it directly. Speaking for myself also, I'm  from Portugal and I'm not native American-English speaking person, I'm taking stuff literal.

I take the "runecrafter" name a little far off and would be more to get the rune out instead of crafting. (now that would be just plain marketing).

 

That would be if it was named runetaker it is not you dont craft a rune when you take it out of things.

 

Dont have silverfed but I get lucent motes and charms with my copperfed so pretty sure you get with silver aswell.

[Inculpatus cedo.9234]

Really?  I get Lucent Motes from Copper-Fed.  I think you are mistaken about Silver-Fed.  Or, rather, confused.

 

Regardless, it is not going to change per Game Update:

 

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Game_updates/2018-11-13#Items

[Komodoro.7154]

On 7/24/2021 at 10:06 AM, Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:

Really?  I get Lucent Motes from Copper-Fed.  I think you are mistaken about Silver-Fed.  Or, rather, confused.

 

Regardless, it is not going to change per Game Update:

 

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Game_updates/2018-11-13#Items

Thanks.
I'm still debating the semantics.
And the why figure in a game where you buy quality of life.

P.S. Yes. I was wrong and got confused and mixed with other stuff. Don't mind me. But still on to the why. >_>

https://media1.tenor.com/images/6ca57073aff5da89679ff32f92326648/tenor.gif?itemid=5694935

Edited July 27, 2021 by Komodoro.7154