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After the most recent updates I have been getting high ping it starts in the 100's somewhere then ends up as high as 3k or more when it's normally 50-75 steady. I had the same problem once before when updates were frequent so I am guessing that's what is going on again because it stopped about a week later. Just wondering if anyone else is having the same problem?

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Same. My connection was fine when i logged in. I had to restart the game to reconnect my mouse and when i logged in I started lagging. There is nothing wrong with my internet. This random lag has happened multiple times. Has Anet even commented on this problem or are they still being Anet.

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Not even in just PoF maps; I'm getting massive ping spikes up to 3k as well while sitting in Heart of the Mists. I won't disconnect but all my abilities will queue up and I can't weapon swap or anything, and while this is happening I can alt+tab and run a speedtest and browse the internet with no issue; the lag is isolated to Guild Wars 2.

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I've been encountering very bad ping spikes (going from 100 ping to 800-1k) constantly for the past few days, especially in story instances. It only occurs with GW2 however, and my ping for other games is just fine with no issues. It's very unusual for me with GW2, but seriously hope this gets fixed soon.

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I just gave up trying to play. Ping wobbles between ~20 and 5000, disconnects, skills not working, etc. Pings to my current Anet server IP show frequent 'request timed out' errors (whereas pings to google.com and other sites don't show problems).Appears to be all maps too, not just PoF, as I got it in Verdant Brink and Queensdale too. This is not something I've had before this morning.

Connecting from EU to EU servers. All other internet things seem fine.

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Yeah, it's definitely unplayable for me as of today aswell. Last i checked i had a ping of 5k and upwards. Also the exact same issues with skills taking tens of seconds to be registered at all by the server and whatnot.

Tried to run DS as usual but had no dice in that regard either, after half a dozen random disconnects back to the character screen i figured it's pointless to try any further for now and closed down the client. This definitely only started happening very recently too - Hope it gets fixed asap since it seems to affect both EU and NA Players alike.

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@QueenOfTheLab.1654 said:After the most recent updates I have been getting high ping it starts in the 100's somewhere then ends up as high as 3k or more when it's normally 50-75 steady. I had the same problem once before when updates were frequent so I am guessing that's what is going on again because it stopped about a week later. Just wondering if anyone else is having the same problem?

Hey everyone,

If you have issues please post the results of -diag and -log flags, what you were doing at the time of the issue/error, what the error code was, and the results of a tracert as described in this thread.If you need help with how to do that please see this link from the GW2Wiki.We are trying accumulate as much information as we can for ArenaNet to pinpoint and solve these problems and the more feedback we give them, the better chance we have of getting this all solved sooner.

Thanks <3

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@Mithos.5182 said:don't have a log generated. I have multiple diag files saved - is there a way to attach them here?

I have gotten no error codes, but my high ping (peaking at ~3k) is abnormal for this game and does not carry to other games.

You can just copy and paste them in the appropriate thread with markdown for formatting. The servers are currently under heavy load and there are many issues as you can see in my previous post's linked merged thread. They will figure it all out in time.

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The relevant portion of two separate -diag attempts:

First One

--> pathping -w 500 -q 50 -4 64.25.39.1 <--

Tracing route to 64.25.33-1.ncsoft.com [64.25.39.1]over a maximum of 30 hops:0 DESKTOP-AFBMMNK.hsd1.va.comcast.net. [192.168.0.10]1 192.168.0.12 96.120.11.2013 xe-1-0-2-32767-sur02.arlington.va.bad.comcast.net [162.151.75.121]4 ae-1-0-sur03.arlington.va.bad.comcast.net [68.86.204.221]5 ae-53-ar01.capitolhghts.md.bad.comcast.net [68.86.204.217]6 lag-5.bear2.Baltimore1.Level3.net [4.68.71.117]7
Computing statistics for 75 seconds...Source to Here This Node/LinkHop RTT Lost/Sent = Pct Lost/Sent = Pct Address0 DESKTOP-AFBMMNK.hsd1.va.comcast.net. [192.168.0.10]0/ 50 = 0% |1 0ms 0/ 50 = 0% 0/ 50 = 0% 192.168.0.119/ 50 = 38% |2 182ms 19/ 50 = 38% 0/ 50 = 0% 96.120.11.2014/ 50 = 8% |3 128ms 31/ 50 = 62% 8/ 50 = 16% xe-1-0-2-32767-sur02.arlington.va.bad.comcast.net [162.151.75.121]0/ 50 = 0% |4 192ms 24/ 50 = 48% 1/ 50 = 2% ae-1-0-sur03.arlington.va.bad.comcast.net [68.86.204.221]0/ 50 = 0% |5 153ms 29/ 50 = 58% 6/ 50 = 12% ae-53-ar01.capitolhghts.md.bad.comcast.net [68.86.204.217]0/ 50 = 0% |6 177ms 23/ 50 = 46% 0/ 50 = 0% lag-5.bear2.Baltimore1.Level3.net [4.68.71.117]

Trace complete.--> pathping -w 500 -q 50 -4 206.127.158.1 <--

Tracing route to 206-127-158-1.ncsoft.com [206.127.158.1]over a maximum of 30 hops:0 DESKTOP-AFBMMNK.hsd1.va.comcast.net. [192.168.0.10]1 192.168.0.12 96.120.11.2013 xe-1-0-2-32767-sur02.arlington.va.bad.comcast.net [162.151.75.121]4 ae-1-0-sur03.arlington.va.bad.comcast.net [68.86.204.221]5 ae-53-ar01.capitolhghts.md.bad.comcast.net [68.86.204.217]6 lag-5.bear2.Baltimore1.Level3.net [4.68.71.117]7 ae-1-3104.edge7.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.159.34]8 195.16.162.1869 206-127-157-94.ncsoft.com [206.127.157.94]10 206-127-158-1.ncsoft.com [206.127.158.1]

Computing statistics for 125 seconds...Source to Here This Node/LinkHop RTT Lost/Sent = Pct Lost/Sent = Pct Address0 DESKTOP-AFBMMNK.hsd1.va.comcast.net. [192.168.0.10]0/ 50 = 0% |1 0ms 0/ 50 = 0% 0/ 50 = 0% 192.168.0.118/ 50 = 36% |2 219ms 19/ 50 = 38% 1/ 50 = 2% 96.120.11.2010/ 50 = 0% |3 195ms 25/ 50 = 50% 7/ 50 = 14% xe-1-0-2-32767-sur02.arlington.va.bad.comcast.net [162.151.75.121]0/ 50 = 0% |4 228ms 21/ 50 = 42% 3/ 50 = 6% ae-1-0-sur03.arlington.va.bad.comcast.net [68.86.204.221]0/ 50 = 0% |5 175ms 27/ 50 = 54% 9/ 50 = 18% ae-53-ar01.capitolhghts.md.bad.comcast.net [68.86.204.217]0/ 50 = 0% |6 226ms 18/ 50 = 36% 0/ 50 = 0% lag-5.bear2.Baltimore1.Level3.net [4.68.71.117]9/ 50 = 18% |7 --- 50/ 50 =100% 23/ 50 = 46% ae-1-3104.edge7.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.159.34]0/ 50 = 0% |8 288ms 32/ 50 = 64% 5/ 50 = 10% 195.16.162.1860/ 50 = 0% |9 --- 50/ 50 =100% 23/ 50 = 46% 206-127-157-94.ncsoft.com [206.127.157.94]0/ 50 = 0% |10 291ms 27/ 50 = 54% 0/ 50 = 0% 206-127-158-1.ncsoft.com [206.127.158.1]

Trace complete.--> pathping -w 500 -q 50 -4 52.85.146.210 <--

Tracing route to server-52-85-146-210.iad12.r.cloudfront.net [52.85.146.210]over a maximum of 30 hops:0 DESKTOP-AFBMMNK.hsd1.va.comcast.net. [192.168.0.10]1 192.168.0.12 96.120.11.2013 xe-1-0-2-32767-sur02.arlington.va.bad.comcast.net [162.151.75.121]4 ae-1-0-sur03.arlington.va.bad.comcast.net [68.86.204.221]5 ae-53-ar01.capitolhghts.md.bad.comcast.net [68.86.204.217]6 be-33657-cr02.ashburn.va.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.90.57]7 hu-0-11-0-2-pe07.ashburn.va.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.83.2]8 as16509-6-c.ashburn.va.ibone.comcast.net [50.242.148.70]9 54.239.108.24210 54.239.108.25111 205.251.245.6112 *
Computing statistics for 137 seconds...Source to Here This Node/LinkHop RTT Lost/Sent = Pct Lost/Sent = Pct Address0 DESKTOP-AFBMMNK.hsd1.va.comcast.net. [192.168.0.10]0/ 50 = 0% |1 0ms 0/ 50 = 0% 0/ 50 = 0% 192.168.0.10/ 50 = 0% |2 15ms 1/ 50 = 2% 1/ 50 = 2% 96.120.11.2010/ 50 = 0% |3 16ms 0/ 50 = 0% 0/ 50 = 0% xe-1-0-2-32767-sur02.arlington.va.bad.comcast.net [162.151.75.121]0/ 50 = 0% |4 17ms 0/ 50 = 0% 0/ 50 = 0% ae-1-0-sur03.arlington.va.bad.comcast.net [68.86.204.221]0/ 50 = 0% |5 17ms 0/ 50 = 0% 0/ 50 = 0% ae-53-ar01.capitolhghts.md.bad.comcast.net [68.86.204.217]0/ 50 = 0% |6 22ms 0/ 50 = 0% 0/ 50 = 0% be-33657-cr02.ashburn.va.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.90.57]0/ 50 = 0% |7 19ms 0/ 50 = 0% 0/ 50 = 0% hu-0-11-0-2-pe07.ashburn.va.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.83.2]1/ 50 = 2% |8 18ms 1/ 50 = 2% 0/ 50 = 0% as16509-6-c.ashburn.va.ibone.comcast.net [50.242.148.70]49/ 50 = 98% |9 --- 50/ 50 =100% 0/ 50 = 0% 54.239.108.2420/ 50 = 0% |10 --- 50/ 50 =100% 0/ 50 = 0% 54.239.108.2510/ 50 = 0% |11 --- 50/ 50 =100% 0/ 50 = 0% 205.251.245.61

Trace complete.Section completed in 294.52 seconds

Second One

--> pathping -w 500 -q 50 -4 206.127.158.1 <--

Tracing route to 206-127-158-1.ncsoft.com [206.127.158.1]over a maximum of 30 hops:0 DESKTOP-AFBMMNK.hsd1.va.comcast.net. [192.168.0.10]1 192.168.0.12 96.120.11.2013 xe-1-0-2-32767-sur02.arlington.va.bad.comcast.net [162.151.75.121]4 ae-1-0-sur03.arlington.va.bad.comcast.net [68.86.204.221]5 ae-53-ar01.capitolhghts.md.bad.comcast.net [68.86.204.217]6 lag-5.bear2.Baltimore1.Level3.net [4.68.71.117]7 ae-1-3104.edge7.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.159.34]8 195.16.162.1869 206-127-157-94.ncsoft.com [206.127.157.94]10 206-127-158-1.ncsoft.com [206.127.158.1]

Computing statistics for 125 seconds...Source to Here This Node/LinkHop RTT Lost/Sent = Pct Lost/Sent = Pct Address0 DESKTOP-AFBMMNK.hsd1.va.comcast.net. [192.168.0.10]0/ 50 = 0% |1 0ms 0/ 50 = 0% 0/ 50 = 0% 192.168.0.14/ 50 = 8% |2 12ms 10/ 50 = 20% 6/ 50 = 12% 96.120.11.2010/ 50 = 0% |3 30ms 6/ 50 = 12% 2/ 50 = 4% xe-1-0-2-32767-sur02.arlington.va.bad.comcast.net [162.151.75.121]0/ 50 = 0% |4 10ms 11/ 50 = 22% 7/ 50 = 14% ae-1-0-sur03.arlington.va.bad.comcast.net [68.86.204.221]0/ 50 = 0% |5 53ms 4/ 50 = 8% 0/ 50 = 0% ae-53-ar01.capitolhghts.md.bad.comcast.net [68.86.204.217]7/ 50 = 14% |6 14ms 11/ 50 = 22% 0/ 50 = 0% lag-5.bear2.Baltimore1.Level3.net [4.68.71.117]18/ 50 = 36% |7 --- 50/ 50 =100% 21/ 50 = 42% ae-1-3104.edge7.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.159.34]0/ 50 = 0% |8 101ms 31/ 50 = 62% 2/ 50 = 4% 195.16.162.1860/ 50 = 0% |9 --- 50/ 50 =100% 21/ 50 = 42% 206-127-157-94.ncsoft.com [206.127.157.94]0/ 50 = 0% |10 99ms 29/ 50 = 58% 0/ 50 = 0% 206-127-158-1.ncsoft.com [206.127.158.1]

Trace complete.--> pathping -w 500 -q 50 -4 64.25.39.1 <--

Tracing route to 64.25.33-1.ncsoft.com [64.25.39.1]over a maximum of 30 hops:0 DESKTOP-AFBMMNK.hsd1.va.comcast.net. [192.168.0.10]1 192.168.0.12 96.120.11.2013 xe-1-0-2-32767-sur02.arlington.va.bad.comcast.net [162.151.75.121]4 ae-1-0-sur03.arlington.va.bad.comcast.net [68.86.204.221]5 ae-53-ar01.capitolhghts.md.bad.comcast.net [68.86.204.217]6 lag-5.bear2.Baltimore1.Level3.net [4.68.71.117]7 *
Computing statistics for 75 seconds...Source to Here This Node/LinkHop RTT Lost/Sent = Pct Lost/Sent = Pct Address0 DESKTOP-AFBMMNK.hsd1.va.comcast.net. [192.168.0.10]0/ 50 = 0% |1 0ms 0/ 50 = 0% 0/ 50 = 0% 192.168.0.15/ 50 = 10% |2 20ms 16/ 50 = 32% 11/ 50 = 22% 96.120.11.2010/ 50 = 0% |3 75ms 6/ 50 = 12% 1/ 50 = 2% xe-1-0-2-32767-sur02.arlington.va.bad.comcast.net [162.151.75.121]0/ 50 = 0% |4 10ms 17/ 50 = 34% 12/ 50 = 24% ae-1-0-sur03.arlington.va.bad.comcast.net [68.86.204.221]0/ 50 = 0% |5 78ms 5/ 50 = 10% 0/ 50 = 0% ae-53-ar01.capitolhghts.md.bad.comcast.net [68.86.204.217]12/ 50 = 24% |6 24ms 17/ 50 = 34% 0/ 50 = 0% lag-5.bear2.Baltimore1.Level3.net [4.68.71.117]

Trace complete.--> pathping -w 500 -q 50 -4 52.85.146.204 <--

Tracing route to server-52-85-146-204.iad12.r.cloudfront.net [52.85.146.204]over a maximum of 30 hops:0 DESKTOP-AFBMMNK.hsd1.va.comcast.net. [192.168.0.10]1 192.168.0.12 96.120.11.2013 xe-1-0-2-32767-sur02.arlington.va.bad.comcast.net [162.151.75.121]4 ae-1-0-sur03.arlington.va.bad.comcast.net [68.86.204.221]5 ae-53-ar01.capitolhghts.md.bad.comcast.net [68.86.204.217]6 be-33657-cr02.ashburn.va.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.90.57]7 be-10142-pe01.ashburn.va.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.86.34]8 50.242.148.749 54.239.108.7410 54.239.108.8311 205.251.245.12512 *
Computing statistics for 137 seconds...Source to Here This Node/LinkHop RTT Lost/Sent = Pct Lost/Sent = Pct Address0 DESKTOP-AFBMMNK.hsd1.va.comcast.net. [192.168.0.10]0/ 50 = 0% |1 0ms 0/ 50 = 0% 0/ 50 = 0% 192.168.0.10/ 50 = 0% |2 8ms 0/ 50 = 0% 0/ 50 = 0% 96.120.11.2010/ 50 = 0% |3 9ms 0/ 50 = 0% 0/ 50 = 0% xe-1-0-2-32767-sur02.arlington.va.bad.comcast.net [162.151.75.121]0/ 50 = 0% |4 8ms 0/ 50 = 0% 0/ 50 = 0% ae-1-0-sur03.arlington.va.bad.comcast.net [68.86.204.221]0/ 50 = 0% |5 10ms 0/ 50 = 0% 0/ 50 = 0% ae-53-ar01.capitolhghts.md.bad.comcast.net [68.86.204.217]0/ 50 = 0% |6 11ms 0/ 50 = 0% 0/ 50 = 0% be-33657-cr02.ashburn.va.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.90.57]0/ 50 = 0% |7 10ms 0/ 50 = 0% 0/ 50 = 0% be-10142-pe01.ashburn.va.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.86.34]0/ 50 = 0% |8 11ms 0/ 50 = 0% 0/ 50 = 0% 50.242.148.7450/ 50 =100% |9 --- 50/ 50 =100% 0/ 50 = 0% 54.239.108.740/ 50 = 0% |10 --- 50/ 50 =100% 0/ 50 = 0% 54.239.108.830/ 50 = 0% |11 --- 50/ 50 =100% 0/ 50 = 0% 205.251.245.125

Trace complete.Section completed in 284.05 seconds

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I had extremely high ping in Kessex Hills about an hour ago. Made the game wholly unplayable. I seem to have no other latency issues with other programs/applications.

I'm on Build 82911, NA Ehmry Bay server, and I'm in the US. My ping was up over 4000 and the highest ping I've ever had before tonight was maybe 100 to 120. The issue didn't affect my FPS, however. Just movement/skill speed.

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South American player here. Before PoF I had 180 ms ping average. Now I have 350+.-diag results below (1st hop omitted)

--> pathping -w 500 -q 50 -4 64.25.39.1 <--

Rastreando a rota para 64.25.33-1.ncsoft.com [64.25.39.1]com no m ximo 30 saltos:2 179.184.120.135.static.adsl.gvt.net.br [179.184.120.135]3 201.22.69.113.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br [201.22.69.113]4 gvt-te-0-4-0-0.rt02.rjo.gvt.net.br [189.59.245.254]5 201.22.76.200.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br [201.22.76.200]6 grafortw2-9-3-0.net.telefonicaglobalsolutions.com [216.184.112.216]7 84.16.12.2528 94.142.98.1839 94.142.98.14210 213.140.43.15811 *
Calculando estat¡sticas para 125 segundos...Origem aqui Este n¢/V¡nculoPerdido/Enviado Perdido/EnviadoSalto RTT = Pct = Pct Endere‡o2 20ms 0/ 50 = 0% 0/ 50 = 0% 179.184.120.135.static.adsl.gvt.net.br [179.184.120.135]2/ 50 = 4% |3 20ms 3/ 50 = 6% 1/ 50 = 2% 201.22.69.113.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br [201.22.69.113]0/ 50 = 0% |4 29ms 3/ 50 = 6% 1/ 50 = 2% gvt-te-0-4-0-0.rt02.rjo.gvt.net.br [189.59.245.254]0/ 50 = 0% |5 70ms 2/ 50 = 4% 0/ 50 = 0% 201.22.76.200.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br [201.22.76.200]2/ 50 = 4% |6 65ms 10/ 50 = 20% 6/ 50 = 12% grafortw2-9-3-0.net.telefonicaglobalsolutions.com [216.184.112.216]0/ 50 = 0% |7 66ms 8/ 50 = 16% 4/ 50 = 8% 84.16.12.2520/ 50 = 0% |8 76ms 4/ 50 = 8% 0/ 50 = 0% 94.142.98.18316/ 50 = 32% |9 155ms 20/ 50 = 40% 0/ 50 = 0% 94.142.98.1420/ 50 = 0% |10 193ms 20/ 50 = 40% 0/ 50 = 0% 213.140.43.158

Rastreamento conclu¡do.--> pathping -w 500 -q 50 -4 206.127.158.1 <--

Rastreando a rota para 206-127-158-1.ncsoft.com [206.127.158.1]com no m ximo 30 saltos:2 179.184.120.135.static.adsl.gvt.net.br [179.184.120.135]3 201.22.69.115.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br [201.22.69.115]4 gvt-te-0-1-0-0.rt02.rjo.gvt.net.br [189.59.244.238]5 201.22.76.200.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br [201.22.76.200]6 grafortw2-7-3-0.net.telefonicaglobalsolutions.com [216.184.112.214]7 84.16.12.2528 94.142.98.1839 94.142.98.14210 94.142.127.111
Calculando estat¡sticas para 125 segundos...Origem aqui Este n¢/V¡nculoPerdido/Enviado Perdido/EnviadoSalto RTT = Pct = Pct Endere‡o2 20ms 0/ 50 = 0% 0/ 50 = 0% 179.184.120.135.static.adsl.gvt.net.br [179.184.120.135]0/ 50 = 0% |3 21ms 8/ 50 = 16% 8/ 50 = 16% 201.22.69.115.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br [201.22.69.115]0/ 50 = 0% |4 31ms 0/ 50 = 0% 0/ 50 = 0% gvt-te-0-1-0-0.rt02.rjo.gvt.net.br [189.59.244.238]0/ 50 = 0% |5 70ms 0/ 50 = 0% 0/ 50 = 0% 201.22.76.200.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br [201.22.76.200]4/ 50 = 8% |6 64ms 10/ 50 = 20% 6/ 50 = 12% grafortw2-7-3-0.net.telefonicaglobalsolutions.com [216.184.112.214]0/ 50 = 0% |7 65ms 4/ 50 = 8% 0/ 50 = 0% 84.16.12.2524/ 50 = 8% |8 75ms 8/ 50 = 16% 0/ 50 = 0% 94.142.98.18311/ 50 = 22% |9 156ms 19/ 50 = 38% 0/ 50 = 0% 94.142.98.1421/ 50 = 2% |10 192ms 20/ 50 = 40% 0/ 50 = 0% 94.142.127.1

Rastreamento conclu¡do.--> pathping -w 500 -q 50 -4 54.192.59.50 <--

Rastreando a rota para server-54-192-59-50.gru1.r.cloudfront.net [54.192.59.50]com no m ximo 30 saltos:2 179.184.120.135.static.adsl.gvt.net.br [179.184.120.135]3 201.22.69.115.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br [201.22.69.115]4 201.22.64.97.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br [201.22.64.97]5 as16509.saopaulo.sp.ix.br [187.16.217.20]6 52.93.44.167 52.93.44.238 54.240.244.429 54.240.244.15010 54.240.244.15711 177.72.240.21112
Calculando estat¡sticas para 137 segundos...Origem aqui Este n¢/V¡nculoPerdido/Enviado Perdido/EnviadoSalto RTT = Pct = Pct Endere‡o2 20ms 3/ 50 = 6% 2/ 50 = 4% 179.184.120.135.static.adsl.gvt.net.br [179.184.120.135]0/ 50 = 0% |3 21ms 1/ 50 = 2% 0/ 50 = 0% 201.22.69.115.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br [201.22.69.115]2/ 50 = 4% |4 31ms 3/ 50 = 6% 0/ 50 = 0% 201.22.64.97.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br [201.22.64.97]0/ 50 = 0% |5 30ms 3/ 50 = 6% 0/ 50 = 0% as16509.saopaulo.sp.ix.br [187.16.217.20]47/ 50 = 94% |6 --- 50/ 50 =100% 0/ 50 = 0% 52.93.44.160/ 50 = 0% |7 --- 50/ 50 =100% 0/ 50 = 0% 52.93.44.230/ 50 = 0% |8 --- 50/ 50 =100% 0/ 50 = 0% 54.240.244.420/ 50 = 0% |9 --- 50/ 50 =100% 0/ 50 = 0% 54.240.244.1500/ 50 = 0% |10 --- 50/ 50 =100% 0/ 50 = 0% 54.240.244.1570/ 50 = 0% |11 --- 50/ 50 =100% 0/ 50 = 0% 177.72.240.211

Rastreamento conclu¡do.Section completed in 379.78 seconds

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I'm also getting intense lag spikes as of today. Ping is normally stable at 30-60 but today its spiking from 80-3000. I am even getting d/c'd from PvP matches in which there are only 2-3 players around me, character will be able to move with everyone else running in place shortly before. I don't even want to know how it would function in WvW.

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