Vindicator Flip skill should be separated

[Dawanarth.4601]

Instead of having one skill changing your skill toward the other legend it should be separated into 2 different skills:

Enduring was Archemorus: Turn all the skill to Archemorus and gain Endurance

Gain stack of might for all already red ability

Generous was Saint Viktor: Turn all skills to Saint Viktor and gain Endurance

Gain regen Aura for all already blue ability (Stack with time)

While under another Legend, both would become weaker form of their full flip

Archemorus's Endurance: Gain Endurance and Might

Saint Viktor's Generosity: Gain Endurance and a regen Aura

[Fueki.4753]

They should just separate both Legends (and maybe make it so only one of them can be equipped at any given time).

Also, their themes should be about how they became the champions of their people in the first place. This would be far better than the current theme of they dealt the finishing blow after another major lore character, who weirdly is absent from Vindicator, crippled Shiro.

[Dawanarth.4601]

1 hour ago, Fueki.4753 said:

Also, their themes should be about how they became the champions of their people in the first place. This would be far better than the current theme of they dealt the finishing blow after another major lore character, who weirdly is absent from Vindicator, crippled Shiro.

But Shiro is already there, you can have both Shiro and the Alliance as a Vindicator

[Dadnir.5038]

5 minutes ago, Dawanarth.4601 said:

But Shiro is already there, you can have both Shiro and the Alliance as a Vindicator

He is talking about Nika (I'm no sure it the name). The shiro fight was a 3v1 not a 2v1.

Edited November 7, 2021 by Dadnir.5038

[Dawanarth.4601]

oh ok, Isn't Nika already present in the Battle of the Mist ? Like Turai Ossa

[Dadnir.5038]

4 minutes ago, Dawanarth.4601 said:

oh ok, Isn't Nika already present in the Battle of the Mist ? Like Turai Ossa

Just checked, the name is Vizu, don't know why I thought it was Nika.

Quote

Before he could slay the two champions, the Assassin Vizu crippled Shiro and allowed the two champions to deliver the killing blow, nearly slicing Shiro in half with his own blades.

Source GW wiki

Edit: change to english wiki quote

Edited November 7, 2021 by Dadnir.5038

[Fueki.4753]

23 minutes ago, Dawanarth.4601 said:

But Shiro is already there, you can have both Shiro and the Alliance as a Vindicator

That's part of the point. Shiro is already sufficiently covered, so the new legends should be about something different.

St. Viktor and Archemorus were the champions of their people before they slew Shiro, so their legends should have reflected that instead.

15 minutes ago, Dadnir.5038 said:

Just checked, the name is Vizu, don't know why I thought it was Nika.

 

Vizu's model looks similar to Nika's model (albeit with that ghostly touch), so that may be of why people mistake them for each other sometimes.

She is also the ancestor of Nika and Mai.

Edited November 7, 2021 by Fueki.4753

[Skyroar.2974]

Just split the legend into 2.

You already have F1 for legend-swapping, why have it co-exist with a worse version of itself?

[Dawanarth.4601]

I don't think this is the way to fix it, they should still be tied to each other, if they became 2 separate legends they wouldn't have any common mechanic like what I'm proposing and would be quite flat (compared to Renegade/Herald)

[Empirical.6504]

I can very much get behind this system of a focused swapping using F keys but while also maintaining the swap on usage mechanic. I think this is a far better middle ground and I really hate the new change where it's all or nothing. My friend and I really liked the uniqueness and the gameplay of abilities swapping on use but we also had the F2 flip to help coordinate things.

[Kidel.2057]

On 11/6/2021 at 4:38 PM, Dawanarth.4601 said:

Instead of having one skill changing your skill toward the other legend it should be separated into 2 different skills:

Enduring was Archemorus: Turn all the skill to Archemorus and gain Endurance

Gain stack of might for all already red ability

Generous was Saint Viktor: Turn all skills to Saint Viktor and gain Endurance

Gain regen Aura for all already blue ability (Stack with time)

While under another Legend, both would become weaker form of their full flip

Archemorus's Endurance: Gain Endurance and Might

Saint Viktor's Generosity: Gain Endurance and a regen Aura

No please, don't bind endurance generation to flipover management again. It was a good idea to separate the 2 concepts. 

The current system is fine, just needs less cast time on F3 and a more interesting F2. 

Edited December 2, 2021 by Kidel.2057