SPESHAL.9106 Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 The MAIN reason PVP is NOT good for new players is that Anet allows these high burst, virtually one-shot from stealth builds. Over the years, I think fighting Mesmers (with tons of AI too) and trap DH has run off more new players than anything. While these builds are hardly viable in high level PVP, they serve as griefing builds to new players. When you put new players with experienced players in PVP, you inevitably have those who will run those meme builds even in unranked just to grief newbies. This makes new players quit fast. Those that have patience will sometimes stick it out, but that not only requires them to understand these other builds...it requires them to learn certain specs and professions that can counter it best. In some cases, they keep trying to fit a square peg into a round hole even if they have patience. If a build isn't a legitimate high end PvP build and mainly serves as a griefing build for new players, ANET should see the forest through the trees and not focus ALL their effort on "balance" for high level PVP only. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lotus.5672 Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 (edited) 54 minutes ago, SPESHAL.9106 said: The MAIN reason PVP is NOT good for new players is that Anet allows these high burst, virtually one-shot from stealth builds. Over the years, I think fighting Mesmers (with tons of AI too) and trap DH has run off more new players than anything. While these builds are hardly viable in high level PVP, they serve as griefing builds to new players. When you put new players with experienced players in PVP, you inevitably have those who will run those meme builds even in unranked just to grief newbies. This makes new players quit fast. Those that have patience will sometimes stick it out, but that not only requires them to understand these other builds...it requires them to learn certain specs and professions that can counter it best. In some cases, they keep trying to fit a square peg into a round hole even if they have patience. If a build isn't a legitimate high end PvP build and mainly serves as a griefing build for new players, ANET should see the forest through the trees and not focus ALL their effort on "balance" for high level PVP only. You can 1shot new/unexperienced players with pretty much any berserker ammy wearing power build, even with the low dmg numbers we have today. Maybe thats the games fault for doing a bad job at teaching basics mechanics like dodging and stuff Edited May 5, 2022 by lotus.5672 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlayerXX.7138 Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 7 hours ago, lotus.5672 said: You can 1shot new/unexperienced players with pretty much any berserker ammy wearing power build, even with the low dmg numbers we have today. Maybe thats the games fault for doing a bad job at teaching basics mechanics like dodging and stuff No no no. That is not about berserker gear player one shoting other berserker gear player. That guys has a point. I remember how frustrating these builds were. Mesmer is more or less an auto win against every new player with not enough cleaving. Dodging isn't as easy a veteran player make it out to be. Dodging the new warrior spec sure. Rev burst no problem just die couple of times to it you figure it out. But between 27 elite specs and Visual clutter dodging is quite hard. Look at league of Legends Yorick(noob killer) died so the game could life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPESHAL.9106 Posted May 5, 2022 Share Posted May 5, 2022 8 hours ago, lotus.5672 said: You can 1shot new/unexperienced players with pretty much any berserker ammy wearing power build, even with the low dmg numbers we have today. Maybe thats the games fault for doing a bad job at teaching basics mechanics like dodging and stuff You can...but it's not NEARLY as frustrating as being one shot out of the blue via stealth or traps...then, even if you can survive, you have to sift through AI, immunity, more stealth, etc. It creates a toxic experience for a new player and the people that run these builds do it mainly against new players for this exact reason. Yes...experienced players after many hours can deal with the burst and know the weakness and get better intuition, but that's a ridiculous "ask" of new players. I guarantee you that mesmers and trap DH have run off more new players than any other professions. I know it did many people I referred. Nobody should create builds that aren't viable in high end PvP but grief newbies. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbut.7480 Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 On 5/4/2022 at 2:13 PM, Sahne.6950 said: you have to lose and die play it like everybody else rinse and repeat.... And that's what I meant by being a respawner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owlsfly Jemmini.7802 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 i looked at playing pvp I tried it out, and unranked there are only some people who decide insulting players is a good way to motivate them, then i tried ranked hoping that these people would be helpful and inciteful and help me learn the game better. boy I was wrong I played 10 matched one torment and only 2 of the matches where full of help full people and those helpful people happened to be the enemy, otherwise you get comments like noob (we all start off as noobs lol) go bk to unranked (well that doesn't help me learn) other comment like idiot and the r word now having learning difficulty i would of took a fence for that but it illegal 😄 but no if ur looking to learn pvp find a help full guilds and go into one of the many servers. if you bring it up with people in the pvp area that this is going on you get called a wet wipe, so no pvp isnt new player friendly and yes its completive but it doesn't give people the right to harass and literally be mean i had to block a person from the games i played as they wouldn't stop. So do i think pvp is good yes int the lay out and the structure no in chat control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotride.2187 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) On 5/5/2022 at 4:59 PM, SPESHAL.9106 said: The MAIN reason PVP is NOT good for new players is that Anet allows these high burst, virtually one-shot from stealth builds. Over the years, I think fighting Mesmers (with tons of AI too) and trap DH has run off more new players than anything. Thief and mesmer were hardest for me to learn to fight, definitely felt like major bs when I started. But if you don't have patience to learn, pvp is probably not the best for you in any game. Edited May 10, 2022 by Hotride.2187 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fivedawgs.4267 Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) This is why we need at least a month of the off-season. Turn off the ranked button @Anet. As of now, new players have no room for growth. They can't learn in ranked, and yet they don't have the chance to play with experienced players in unranked (where most of the learning happens). Anet is sabotaging its own game, pvp'ers, and new players to reward pve'er and legendary farmers. Edited May 10, 2022 by Fivedawgs.4267 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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