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[Thornwolf.9721]

@"Regon Phoenix.8215" said:Strange. Lots of you want villain legend to channel, but you don't want villain legend channeled if it is Balthazar.... Strange.

Because he is not a good villain we just fought him and he has nothing to offer, Id rather a quagen legend over Balth. Hated him in PoF and I would hate to be stuck listening to him bitch and whine about how "I am conflict!" And "I am the only god blaaaaaaaaaargh" It was lame, If we get an evil god Id rather have abbadon as he was WAAAAAAAY more interesting and legitimately felt evil where as balth felt like a whiny, petulant child throwing a temper tantrum.

[Dace.8173]

@"Gihn.1043" said:nooope no no no, too much fire, we have berserker spec for that, and all that burn is another condi spec, we have kalla. ICE, OUTER SPACE, or a so-far-unused race legend like norn/asura/sylvari would be SO much better in fact, i only want two, okay three, points for the next spec1: big power damage dealer. herald, support, rene, support/condi.

2. the legend be a VILLAIN, we're 2 for 2 with hero elites, and rev was initially pitched as channeling villains
3. arenanet, i know you'll eventually read these suggestions (or maybe you already have) but pleaseplsPLSPLEEEASE the love of the five do NOT, DO NOT give us greatsword. DO NOT!!! 6/9* professions have it already, while weapons like scepter, focus, and pistols go unloved(thats a hint, dual pistols for next spec, like spb. god knows we need the build diversity)   **oh its five professions, but point stands. dont need more twilights running around

I feel you on the lack of love towards pistols, rifles, scepter, and focus. I had to add in rifle because it has little love too. I would love to dual wield pistol.

@Regon Phoenix.8215 said:Strange. Lots of you want villain legend to channel, but you don't want villain legend channeled if it is Balthazar.... Strange.

Not strange at all. People don't want just any kind of villain. They want a good villain that had a compelling story that actually adds more to the game. We've gotten pretty much all we need out of Balthazar. Just because we want a villain doesn't mean we need to like Balthazar. Just look at the villains people have suggested. The suggested ones are quality characters that had an actual compelling story to them. It also makes more sense to channel an normal mortal villain as opposed to a god. It is also worth noting that no one is asking for Legends that revolve around recent story material.

[Euthymias.7984]

The next legend should be a Norn. The lack of one is uncanny for a race that's all about building a legend for themselves (and keeping them alive through their tales to inspire others).

[Regon Phoenix.8215]

@Euthymias.7984 said:The next legend should be a Norn. The lack of one is uncanny for a race that's all about building a legend for themselves (and keeping them alive through their tales to inspire others).

Maybe that's the exact reason why we don't have one. At first sight that should be literally the first legend we get, but we didn't. So, that only implies that Norn culture is somehow anti-legend channeling.

[Euthymias.7984]

@Regon Phoenix.8215 said:Maybe that's the exact reason why we don't have one. At first sight that should be literally the first legend we get, but we didn't. So, that only implies that Norn culture is somehow anti-legend channeling.

They're not much different from the Charr, who still celebrate their heroes like Pyre and Kalla - the latter we wound up with (they do however, make a bigger deal of them). I cant imagine what would make Norn less likely to have a legendary stance beyond not having a legendary figure to embody it, and there's certainly a candidate or two for that.

[Regon Phoenix.8215]

@Euthymias.7984 said:

@Regon Phoenix.8215 said:Maybe that's the exact reason why we don't have one. At first sight that should be literally the first legend we get, but we didn't. So, that only implies that Norn culture is somehow anti-legend channeling.

They're not much different from the Charr, who still celebrate their heroes like Pyre and Kalla - the latter we wound up with (they do however, make a bigger deal of them). I cant imagine what would make Norn less likely to have a legendary stance beyond not having a legendary figure to embody it, and there's certainly a candidate or two for that.

Maybe they respect their ancestors too much or actively try to avoid channeling them. Who knows.

[Dace.8173]

@Regon Phoenix.8215 said:

@Euthymias.7984 said:The next legend should be a Norn. The lack of one is uncanny for a race that's all about building a legend for themselves (and keeping them alive through their tales to inspire others).

Maybe that's the exact reason why we don't have one. At first sight that should be literally the first legend we get, but we didn't. So, that only implies that Norn culture is somehow anti-legend channeling.

You do realize that your logic pretty much defeats your support for Balthazar, right? But Occam's razor applies here, the likeliest answer is probably the real answer. It is likely that they just had other ideas they wanted to try first and will get to Norn later. There is no reason to think that because Norn was not the first to have a Legend that it means they don't have one. If that is true then there is pretty much no grounds for why a god might be a Legend.

[Regon Phoenix.8215]

@Dace.8173 said:

@Regon Phoenix.8215 said:

@Euthymias.7984 said:The next legend should be a Norn. The lack of one is uncanny for a race that's all about building a legend for themselves (and keeping them alive through their tales to inspire others).

Maybe that's the exact reason why we don't have one. At first sight that should be literally the first legend we get, but we didn't. So, that only implies that Norn culture is somehow anti-legend channeling.

You do realize that your logic pretty much defeats your support for Balthazar, right? But Occam's razor applies here, the likeliest answer is probably the real answer. It is likely that they just had other ideas they wanted to try first and will get to Norn later. There is no reason to think that because Norn was not the first to have a Legend that it means they don't have one. If that is true then there is pretty much no grounds for why a god might be a Legend.

If we remove all impossibilities, then the only solutions left, however improbable, have to be true. It is true that MAYBE Anet simply didn't HAVE good idea for Norn legend, however it is as much likely that they didn't WANT a Norn legend.

[Dace.8173]

@Regon Phoenix.8215 said:

@Dace.8173 said:

@Regon Phoenix.8215 said:

@Euthymias.7984 said:The next legend should be a Norn. The lack of one is uncanny for a race that's all about building a legend for themselves (and keeping them alive through their tales to inspire others).

Maybe that's the exact reason why we don't have one. At first sight that should be literally the first legend we get, but we didn't. So, that only implies that Norn culture is somehow anti-legend channeling.

You do realize that your logic pretty much defeats your support for Balthazar, right? But Occam's razor applies here, the likeliest answer is probably the real answer. It is likely that they just had other ideas they wanted to try first and will get to Norn later. There is no reason to think that because Norn was not the first to have a Legend that it means they don't have one. If that is true then there is pretty much no grounds for why a god might be a Legend.

If we remove all impossibilities, then the only solutions left, however improbable, have to be true. It is true that MAYBE Anet simply didn't HAVE good idea for Norn legend, however it is as much likely that they didn't WANT a Norn legend.

There is absolutely no logic that supports that conclusion. Zero. The lack of a Norn legend at launch does not in any way mean that ANet doesn't want a Norn legend. It also lacked a Charr one too and now we have that. Hell, we haven't even removed all the impossibilities. There are far far far simpler reasons that are likely true than them not wanting a Norn legend. By your logic, the only legends we should ever see are Centaurs, humans, dwarves, demons, dragons, and now charr. The logic you just used pretty much means that your pet idea for a legend is not suitable since ANet didn't start off with a god so clearly ANet does not want a good legend. The more you try to undermine the idea of a Norn legend the more you pretty much undermine the idea of Balthazar as a legend too.

Are you intentionally trying to undermine your own support for Balthazar?

[Thornwolf.9721]

@Dace.8173 said:

@Regon Phoenix.8215 said:

@Dace.8173 said:

@Regon Phoenix.8215 said:

@Euthymias.7984 said:The next legend should be a Norn. The lack of one is uncanny for a race that's all about building a legend for themselves (and keeping them alive through their tales to inspire others).

Maybe that's the exact reason why we don't have one. At first sight that should be literally the first legend we get, but we didn't. So, that only implies that Norn culture is somehow anti-legend channeling.

You do realize that your logic pretty much defeats your support for Balthazar, right? But Occam's razor applies here, the likeliest answer is probably the real answer. It is likely that they just had other ideas they wanted to try first and will get to Norn later. There is no reason to think that because Norn was not the first to have a Legend that it means they don't have one. If that is true then there is pretty much no grounds for why a god might be a Legend.

If we remove all impossibilities, then the only solutions left, however improbable, have to be true. It is true that MAYBE Anet simply didn't HAVE good idea for Norn legend, however it is as much likely that they didn't WANT a Norn legend.

There is absolutely no logic that supports that conclusion. Zero. The lack of a Norn legend at launch does not in any way mean that ANet doesn't want a Norn legend. It also lacked a Charr one too and now we have that. Hell, we haven't even removed all the impossibilities. There are far far far simpler reasons that are likely true than them not wanting a Norn legend. By your logic, the only legends we should ever see are Centaurs, humans, dwarves, demons, dragons, and now charr. The logic you just used pretty much means that your pet idea for a legend is not suitable since ANet didn't start off with a god so clearly ANet does not want a good legend. The more you try to undermine the idea of a Norn legend the more you pretty much undermine the idea of Balthazar as a legend too.

Are you intentionally trying to undermine your own support for Balthazar?

@Dace.8173 said:

@Regon Phoenix.8215 said:

@Dace.8173 said:

@Regon Phoenix.8215 said:

@Euthymias.7984 said:The next legend should be a Norn. The lack of one is uncanny for a race that's all about building a legend for themselves (and keeping them alive through their tales to inspire others).

Maybe that's the exact reason why we don't have one. At first sight that should be literally the first legend we get, but we didn't. So, that only implies that Norn culture is somehow anti-legend channeling.

You do realize that your logic pretty much defeats your support for Balthazar, right? But Occam's razor applies here, the likeliest answer is probably the real answer. It is likely that they just had other ideas they wanted to try first and will get to Norn later. There is no reason to think that because Norn was not the first to have a Legend that it means they don't have one. If that is true then there is pretty much no grounds for why a god might be a Legend.

If we remove all impossibilities, then the only solutions left, however improbable, have to be true. It is true that MAYBE Anet simply didn't HAVE good idea for Norn legend, however it is as much likely that they didn't WANT a Norn legend.

There is absolutely no logic that supports that conclusion. Zero. The lack of a Norn legend at launch does not in any way mean that ANet doesn't want a Norn legend. It also lacked a Charr one too and now we have that. Hell, we haven't even removed all the impossibilities. There are far far far simpler reasons that are likely true than them not wanting a Norn legend. By your logic, the only legends we should ever see are Centaurs, humans, dwarves, demons, dragons, and now charr. The logic you just used pretty much means that your pet idea for a legend is not suitable since ANet didn't start off with a god so clearly ANet does not want a good legend. The more you try to undermine the idea of a Norn legend the more you pretty much undermine the idea of Balthazar as a legend too.

Are you intentionally trying to undermine your own support for Balthazar?

Asgeir, svanir, jora are all more worthy than balth to be a stance. Besides that God's don't leave ripples in the mists therefor by lore standpoint we CAN'T channel balth at all as he no longer exists in any way shape or form outside of a memory and the scars he left on tyria.

[Regon Phoenix.8215]

@Dace.8173 said:

@Regon Phoenix.8215 said:

@Dace.8173 said:

@Regon Phoenix.8215 said:

@Euthymias.7984 said:The next legend should be a Norn. The lack of one is uncanny for a race that's all about building a legend for themselves (and keeping them alive through their tales to inspire others).

Maybe that's the exact reason why we don't have one. At first sight that should be literally the first legend we get, but we didn't. So, that only implies that Norn culture is somehow anti-legend channeling.

You do realize that your logic pretty much defeats your support for Balthazar, right? But Occam's razor applies here, the likeliest answer is probably the real answer. It is likely that they just had other ideas they wanted to try first and will get to Norn later. There is no reason to think that because Norn was not the first to have a Legend that it means they don't have one. If that is true then there is pretty much no grounds for why a god might be a Legend.

If we remove all impossibilities, then the only solutions left, however improbable, have to be true. It is true that MAYBE Anet simply didn't HAVE good idea for Norn legend, however it is as much likely that they didn't WANT a Norn legend.

There is absolutely no logic that supports that conclusion. Zero. The lack of a Norn legend at launch does not in any way mean that ANet doesn't want a Norn legend. It also lacked a Charr one too and now we have that. Hell, we haven't even removed all the impossibilities. There are far far far simpler reasons that are likely true than them not wanting a Norn legend. By your logic, the only legends we should ever see are Centaurs, humans, dwarves, demons, dragons, and now charr. The logic you just used pretty much means that your pet idea for a legend is not suitable since ANet didn't start off with a god so clearly ANet does not want a good legend. The more you try to undermine the idea of a Norn legend the more you pretty much undermine the idea of Balthazar as a legend too.

Are you intentionally trying to undermine your own support for Balthazar?

And there is no logic that supports opposite conclusion. The lack of a Norn legend at launch does not in any way mean that Anet WANT a Norn legend.

[Dace.8173]

@Regon Phoenix.8215 said:

@Dace.8173 said:

@Regon Phoenix.8215 said:

@Dace.8173 said:

@Regon Phoenix.8215 said:

@Euthymias.7984 said:The next legend should be a Norn. The lack of one is uncanny for a race that's all about building a legend for themselves (and keeping them alive through their tales to inspire others).

Maybe that's the exact reason why we don't have one. At first sight that should be literally the first legend we get, but we didn't. So, that only implies that Norn culture is somehow anti-legend channeling.

You do realize that your logic pretty much defeats your support for Balthazar, right? But Occam's razor applies here, the likeliest answer is probably the real answer. It is likely that they just had other ideas they wanted to try first and will get to Norn later. There is no reason to think that because Norn was not the first to have a Legend that it means they don't have one. If that is true then there is pretty much no grounds for why a god might be a Legend.

If we remove all impossibilities, then the only solutions left, however improbable, have to be true. It is true that MAYBE Anet simply didn't HAVE good idea for Norn legend, however it is as much likely that they didn't WANT a Norn legend.

There is absolutely no logic that supports that conclusion. Zero. The lack of a Norn legend at launch does not in any way mean that ANet doesn't want a Norn legend. It also lacked a Charr one too and now we have that. Hell, we haven't even removed all the impossibilities. There are far far far simpler reasons that are likely true than them not wanting a Norn legend. By your logic, the only legends we should ever see are Centaurs, humans, dwarves, demons, dragons, and now charr. The logic you just used pretty much means that your pet idea for a legend is not suitable since ANet didn't start off with a god so clearly ANet does not want a good legend. The more you try to undermine the idea of a Norn legend the more you pretty much undermine the idea of Balthazar as a legend too.

Are you intentionally trying to undermine your own support for Balthazar?

And there is no logic that supports opposite conclusion. The lack of a Norn legend at launch does not in any way mean that Anet

WANT

a Norn legend.

You're using circular logic that still undermines your initial position that Balthazar should be a Legend. In your quest scuttle the idea of a Norn Legend you have effectively justified not having Balthazar.

[Regon Phoenix.8215]

@Dace.8173 said:

@Regon Phoenix.8215 said:

@Dace.8173 said:

@Regon Phoenix.8215 said:

@Dace.8173 said:

@Regon Phoenix.8215 said:

@Euthymias.7984 said:The next legend should be a Norn. The lack of one is uncanny for a race that's all about building a legend for themselves (and keeping them alive through their tales to inspire others).

Maybe that's the exact reason why we don't have one. At first sight that should be literally the first legend we get, but we didn't. So, that only implies that Norn culture is somehow anti-legend channeling.

You do realize that your logic pretty much defeats your support for Balthazar, right? But Occam's razor applies here, the likeliest answer is probably the real answer. It is likely that they just had other ideas they wanted to try first and will get to Norn later. There is no reason to think that because Norn was not the first to have a Legend that it means they don't have one. If that is true then there is pretty much no grounds for why a god might be a Legend.

If we remove all impossibilities, then the only solutions left, however improbable, have to be true. It is true that MAYBE Anet simply didn't HAVE good idea for Norn legend, however it is as much likely that they didn't WANT a Norn legend.

There is absolutely no logic that supports that conclusion. Zero. The lack of a Norn legend at launch does not in any way mean that ANet doesn't want a Norn legend. It also lacked a Charr one too and now we have that. Hell, we haven't even removed all the impossibilities. There are far far far simpler reasons that are likely true than them not wanting a Norn legend. By your logic, the only legends we should ever see are Centaurs, humans, dwarves, demons, dragons, and now charr. The logic you just used pretty much means that your pet idea for a legend is not suitable since ANet didn't start off with a god so clearly ANet does not want a good legend. The more you try to undermine the idea of a Norn legend the more you pretty much undermine the idea of Balthazar as a legend too.

Are you intentionally trying to undermine your own support for Balthazar?

And there is no logic that supports opposite conclusion. The lack of a Norn legend at launch does not in any way mean that Anet

WANT

a Norn legend.

You're using circular logic that still undermines your initial position that Balthazar should be a Legend. In your quest scuttle the idea of a Norn Legend you have effectively justified not having Balthazar.

Where did i say he SHOULD be a legend? You are just making starwmen out of nowhere. All i said, all i did - he could be a legend.

[Dace.8173]

@Regon Phoenix.8215 said:

@Dace.8173 said:

@Regon Phoenix.8215 said:

@Dace.8173 said:

@Regon Phoenix.8215 said:

@Dace.8173 said:

@Regon Phoenix.8215 said:

@Euthymias.7984 said:The next legend should be a Norn. The lack of one is uncanny for a race that's all about building a legend for themselves (and keeping them alive through their tales to inspire others).

Maybe that's the exact reason why we don't have one. At first sight that should be literally the first legend we get, but we didn't. So, that only implies that Norn culture is somehow anti-legend channeling.

You do realize that your logic pretty much defeats your support for Balthazar, right? But Occam's razor applies here, the likeliest answer is probably the real answer. It is likely that they just had other ideas they wanted to try first and will get to Norn later. There is no reason to think that because Norn was not the first to have a Legend that it means they don't have one. If that is true then there is pretty much no grounds for why a god might be a Legend.

If we remove all impossibilities, then the only solutions left, however improbable, have to be true. It is true that MAYBE Anet simply didn't HAVE good idea for Norn legend, however it is as much likely that they didn't WANT a Norn legend.

There is absolutely no logic that supports that conclusion. Zero. The lack of a Norn legend at launch does not in any way mean that ANet doesn't want a Norn legend. It also lacked a Charr one too and now we have that. Hell, we haven't even removed all the impossibilities. There are far far far simpler reasons that are likely true than them not wanting a Norn legend. By your logic, the only legends we should ever see are Centaurs, humans, dwarves, demons, dragons, and now charr. The logic you just used pretty much means that your pet idea for a legend is not suitable since ANet didn't start off with a god so clearly ANet does not want a good legend. The more you try to undermine the idea of a Norn legend the more you pretty much undermine the idea of Balthazar as a legend too.

Are you intentionally trying to undermine your own support for Balthazar?

And there is no logic that supports opposite conclusion. The lack of a Norn legend at launch does not in any way mean that Anet

WANT

a Norn legend.

You're using circular logic that still undermines your initial position that Balthazar should be a Legend. In your quest scuttle the idea of a Norn Legend you have effectively justified not having Balthazar.

Where did i say he SHOULD be a legend? You are just making starwmen out of nowhere. All i said, all i did - he could be a legend.

You made an Elite centered around Balthazar and then told everyone it was strange that people wanted a villain but did not support Balthazar. Those two statements are indications that you think Balthazar should be a Legend. You have also used strawman wrong.

[Dadnir.5038]

@"Regon Phoenix.8215" said:Strange. Lots of you want villain legend to channel, but you don't want villain legend channeled if it is Balthazar.... Strange.

He is not a fitting villain for a "legend". Having an existence like balthazar becoming a legend would be the same as putting balthazar one the same level as shiro who was a pupet in abbadon's hands. What would we expect after that? Zaithan as a legend?

And this is without taking into account that balthazar is part of the game story as a legend. A story that you can come back onto. Would you expect a legend to grant you power when you already killed it? Would you expect a legend to grant you power so that you can kill it?

Furthermore, the moment balthazar ended up being a character that you have to deal with in the story, he lost it's qualification as legend material. The same goes for those companions that died alongside us like Eir and Trahern or those villains like the nightmare duchess Faolain. Only those that you can't enter into contact again in the game are material for legend.

Interestingly, the most hated villain in gw2 history (scarlet briar) is part of this group and can be legend material since you can't fight her or contact her anymore. It might even be why anet still didn't put back the content that involve her directly.

[Regon Phoenix.8215]

@Dadnir.5038 said:

@"Regon Phoenix.8215" said:Strange. Lots of you want villain legend to channel, but you don't want villain legend channeled if it is Balthazar.... Strange.

He is not a fitting villain for a "legend". Having an existence like balthazar becoming a legend would be the same as putting balthazar one the same level as shiro who was a pupet in abbadon's hands. What would we expect after that? Zaithan as a legend?

And this is without taking into account that balthazar is part of the game story as a legend. A story that you can come back onto. Would you expect a legend to grant you power when you already killed it? Would you expect a legend to grant you power so that you can kill it?

Furthermore, the moment balthazar ended up being a character that you have to deal with in the story, he lost it's qualification as legend material. The same goes for those companions that died alongside us like Eir and Trahern or those villains like the nightmare duchess Faolain. Only those that you can't enter into contact again in the game are material for legend.

Interestingly, the most hated villain in gw2 history (scarlet briar) is part of this group and can be legend material since you can't fight her or contact her anymore. It might even be why anet still didn't put back the content that involve her directly.

Well, yeah, that might cause some problems for immersion....

[Imperadordf.2687]

The problems with this idea are;

• Balthazar is a bad villain.
• Balthazar can't be channeled due to reasons mentioned earlier.
• Fire Shield is shit.

We've got a Dwarf, a Centaur, a Human, a Demon, a Dragon and a Charr. I would say it is unlikely to see a Sylvari due to them being a young race and Ventari is already tied to them. If you really want a god, Dhuum or Abbadon are much better choices than Balthazar. So there's Asura and Norn left, if we'll have a sentient race as the next legend. Asura, as you most likely know, aren't quite spiritual beings so I guess Norn would be the better choice here. There are a lot of choices too, but Jora is a great character and I think she would make a great legend in the future.

[Cuddy.6247]

3 stacks of burn for 4 seconds? lol no. 1 stack for 1 second.

[Cuddy.6247]

@Thornwolf.9721 said:

@Lonewolf Kai.3682 said:

@Thornwolf.9721 said:

@Yannir.4132 said:

@Thornwolf.9721 said:I honestly Do not want to channel one more human themed being, we have so many others who could totally fit the bill. Balthazar was a little kitten, and I just cant sit by imagining my rev channeling him. Id prefer Asgeir dragonrender and have an Ice/Spirit of the wild theme perhaps a shape shifter of some sort over just some Rev variant of what the guardian already has, fire, greatsword? Go make a guardian.

Pretty much sums up my thoughts as well. The "Puny Mortals"-trait did make me think about Hulk and chuckle.

It made me smile hardcore, but I still can't stand behind Balthazar as legend mainly because I dont see the gods as legendary. I mean like kitten they have barely done anything in the storyline at least on-screen; And anything they have done all drizzles down to what humans tell us. Frankly I feel that balthazar is a good boss and a good fight, but he is in way a good choice for a rev spec.

Plus the majority of the legends are human, we have mallyx(human, demon who was in elona). Shiro who was a human, we have jalis who while not a human really had nothing to do with anyone else... the dwarves were kinda neutral. And then we have The salad peoples god horse guy; Who I still dont really give two craps about .

Then we get glint who is a human character, who because of the flameseeker prophecies had the most to do with humans. And now we have kalla who is the charr legend, who I Was happy about until I got to tinker with how she worked and get a good feel for the spec itself (Theme was fine, execution was not so much.)

Amazing. Every word you just said is wrong.

How All I Was getting at was that all the legends we have, had more to do with humans than everything and anyone else. Mallyx happened to be a demon who was in the realm of torment but he was still tied to abbadon; And shiro is a human. Glint basically led the humans down their path of the flameseeker prophecies, and down the road to kill the mursaat and fight the lich. Ventari is STRICTLY a sylvari themed legend as he is basically their messiah and shaped the entirty of their races perspective through his teachings; Jalis primarly aided the humans in eye of the north and while having small ties to the norn (Allies/trade partners?) They were not close and he had more to do with gwen and the ebon vanguard.

Kalla was and is our one charr legend and the idea or concept was great but the application of the spec was not done to the fullest effect it could of been; Its cool but its not as cool or effective as it could be. We have no asuran/ Norn legend and I Feel like ontop of that we have enough good guy characters as legends, Balthazar has no place as a legend as he is a gw2 villian. That and I doubt we could channel his power because when he died his power was dispersed and his being ceased to be entirely he did not go to the mists like other beings; I would like more evil characters who we have faced from gw1 or who happened in the time between the games..... not more beings who share like minds.

Id like to see a darker themed revenant spec; I also feel like we have enough fire based crap in this game. Both warrior and guardian have a fire theme about them, the revenant is a mystic warrior who is in essence becoming a "Mist walker" in some sense harnessing powers long since forgotten. Not a fire spewing crusader, zealous faith and "Divine fire" are the guardian shtick not ours.

Norn are tied to humans because of Jora. So no norn pls. And Vekk partied with humans too. Zinn and Blimm also aided in War in Kryta. So asura are a no go. Humans interfered with tengu, so let's avoid them as well. Just to play it safe, we should probably go for a largos elite spec. I was going to recommend choya, but realized they came with the human-centric expansion of PoF so no thanks from me there, either!

[Cuddy.6247]

@Dadnir.5038 said:

@"Regon Phoenix.8215" said:Strange. Lots of you want villain legend to channel, but you don't want villain legend channeled if it is Balthazar.... Strange.

He is not a fitting villain for a "legend". Having an existence like balthazar becoming a legend would be the same as putting balthazar one the same level as shiro who was a pupet in abbadon's hands. What would we expect after that? Zaithan as a legend?

And this is without taking into account that balthazar is part of the game story as a legend. A story that you can come back onto. Would you expect a legend to grant you power when you already killed it? Would you expect a legend to grant you power so that you can kill it?

Furthermore, the moment balthazar ended up being a character that you have to deal with in the story, he lost it's qualification as legend material. The same goes for those companions that died alongside us like Eir and Trahern or those villains like the nightmare duchess Faolain. Only those that you can't enter into contact again in the game are material for legend.

Interestingly, the most hated villain in gw2 history (scarlet briar) is part of this group and can be legend material since you can't fight her or contact her anymore. It might even be why anet still didn't put back the content that involve her directly.

I could use his outfit, use his greatsword, dress up like Mad King thorn...

Additionally I can also use the Caladbolg skin during the personal story and during HoT, despite that I'm not supposed to receive it until the end of HoT.

Won't be the first time they broke immersion a little bit for the sake of the game.

[Thornwolf.9721]

@Cuddy.6247 said:

@Thornwolf.9721 said:

@Lonewolf Kai.3682 said:

@Thornwolf.9721 said:

@Yannir.4132 said:

@Thornwolf.9721 said:I honestly Do not want to channel one more human themed being, we have so many others who could totally fit the bill. Balthazar was a little kitten, and I just cant sit by imagining my rev channeling him. Id prefer Asgeir dragonrender and have an Ice/Spirit of the wild theme perhaps a shape shifter of some sort over just some Rev variant of what the guardian already has, fire, greatsword? Go make a guardian.

Pretty much sums up my thoughts as well. The "Puny Mortals"-trait did make me think about Hulk and chuckle.

It made me smile hardcore, but I still can't stand behind Balthazar as legend mainly because I dont see the gods as legendary. I mean like kitten they have barely done anything in the storyline at least on-screen; And anything they have done all drizzles down to what humans tell us. Frankly I feel that balthazar is a good boss and a good fight, but he is in way a good choice for a rev spec.

Plus the majority of the legends are human, we have mallyx(human, demon who was in elona). Shiro who was a human, we have jalis who while not a human really had nothing to do with anyone else... the dwarves were kinda neutral. And then we have The salad peoples god horse guy; Who I still dont really give two craps about .

Then we get glint who is a human character, who because of the flameseeker prophecies had the most to do with humans. And now we have kalla who is the charr legend, who I Was happy about until I got to tinker with how she worked and get a good feel for the spec itself (Theme was fine, execution was not so much.)

Amazing. Every word you just said is wrong.

How All I Was getting at was that all the legends we have, had more to do with humans than everything and anyone else. Mallyx happened to be a demon who was in the realm of torment but he was still tied to abbadon; And shiro is a human. Glint basically led the humans down their path of the flameseeker prophecies, and down the road to kill the mursaat and fight the lich. Ventari is STRICTLY a sylvari themed legend as he is basically their messiah and shaped the entirty of their races perspective through his teachings; Jalis primarly aided the humans in eye of the north and while having small ties to the norn (Allies/trade partners?) They were not close and he had more to do with gwen and the ebon vanguard.

Kalla was and is our one charr legend and the idea or concept was great but the application of the spec was not done to the fullest effect it could of been; Its cool but its not as cool or effective as it could be. We have no asuran/ Norn legend and I Feel like ontop of that we have enough good guy characters as legends, Balthazar has no place as a legend as he is a gw2 villian. That and I doubt we could channel his power because when he died his power was dispersed and his being ceased to be entirely he did not go to the mists like other beings; I would like more evil characters who we have faced from gw1 or who happened in the time between the games..... not more beings who share like minds.

Id like to see a darker themed revenant spec; I also feel like we have enough fire based crap in this game. Both warrior and guardian have a fire theme about them, the revenant is a mystic warrior who is in essence becoming a "Mist walker" in some sense harnessing powers long since forgotten. Not a fire spewing crusader, zealous faith and "Divine fire" are the guardian shtick not ours.

Norn are tied to humans because of Jora. So no norn pls. And Vekk partied with humans too. Zinn and Blimm also aided in War in Kryta. So asura are a no go. Humans interfered with tengu, so let's avoid them as well. Just to play it safe, we should probably go for a largos elite spec. I was going to recommend choya, but realized they came with the human-centric expansion of PoF so no thanks from me there, either!

I would take a Choya over balthazar, at least they provide a worth while fight in their champion variants. (Lol) That being said Balth is just unworthy of being a legend for use to channel, he is a lame villian and more so I Feel like he would bring NOTHING exciting to the class. Like really he would be a fusion of the guard and the berserker( warrior elite spec) . Mechanics and theme wise he is weak the only thing he would have and this is assuming they ALLOWED us to have it is those sick, sick sword moves with his greatsword. Plus lets be real here and go into another portion of the Idea, He is a god and in their lore once they die thats it they dont go to the mists as that is where they were born. So in the fullest terms once he died all his power was devoured by the dragons and his memory was all that was left, his actions and existence however did NOT shape or interfere with the mists once so ever so in reality he just ceases to be when it comes to that realm.

We however could channel the power of the god of war, they already said balths place and font had been filled and taken so I guess whomever is the new one would be the being we could tap into. I do feel though that the being and the font as a whole is already pretty well covered in playstyle and theme within the guardian AND the warrior and anything that could make this spec work would only put us closer in line with those two classes. ( Something I don't want once so ever.)

[Dace.8173]

@Imperadordf.2687 said:The problems with this idea are;

• Balthazar is a bad villain.
• Balthazar can't be channeled due to reasons mentioned earlier.
• Fire Shield is kitten.

We've got a Dwarf, a Centaur, a Human, a Demon, a Dragon and a Charr. I would say it is unlikely to see a Sylvari due to them being a young race and Ventari is already tied to them. If you really want a god, Dhuum or Abbadon are much better choices than Balthazar. So there's Asura and Norn left, if we'll have a sentient race as the next legend. Asura, as you most likely know, aren't quite spiritual beings so I guess Norn would be the better choice here. There are a lot of choices too, but Jora is a great character and I think she would make a great legend in the future.

I don't think age would really be a limiting factor. Thus Riannoc could be a Sylvari Legend down the road. I also don't see anything about the spirituality of the race in question being a key component to being able to become Legends. Even if Ausra aren't a spiritual people their legendary figures would pass on into the Mists like anyone else and could become a Legend for those who are willing to take advice from a dead Asura. After all, while the Ausra people are not a spiritual race Asura can still become Revenants.