Invocation or Devastation?

I am testing condi(viper) Renegade and it seems to me there are two mandatory trait lines: Renegade (duh :) ) and Corruption. However I am not sure about the third line - do you prefer Invocation or Devastation (PvE and mostly open world/zerg environment).

I prefer devastation. Devastion brings a very good group buff in Assassins Presence. Invocation has similar personal damage and I might pull it out places you can not use mount if not in a group. Kind of nice with almost perma swiftness. While soloing with Devastation you can use Assassins Annihilation for some extra life steal with a little dps loss over Swift Termination. I recommend trying both, both are decent ones but if your doing a dungeon/ fractal or similar; I would definatly use Devastation for the buff.

Invocation I think is better for solo and open world, Devastation is for party that can make use of assassin's precence and provide high crit+fury at party.

I play a hybrid renegade focusing on life leech and some group support, so I use devastation. It supplements my focus well. Traits are 1-3-3

yea, pretty much Dev for raids and such but I run Invo for open world goofing off dicking the dog kinda stuffs!

THX - anyone did some testing what is the difference between Invocation&Devastation DPS? (Personal & group)

@Ryouzanpaku.1273 said:THX - anyone did some testing what is the difference between Invocation&Devastation DPS? (Personal & group)

As everyone said, Devastation is much more DPS if you're in a group... AP gives everyone 15% critical damage, which is a substantial boost--even for condi specs. You can't really give exact number differences since it varies depending on your group, but it's definitely and always more.

When you're solo, the DPS difference is much less since you benefit from the 20% crit bonus and additional Fury application on Legend Swap that you wouldn't need in a raid setting (due to spotter/banners). Not to mention that you really need that second (and no energy cost) stun break in Open World. Pretty much the only time you're ever in danger of dying is when you lose control of your character, and avoiding going down is the biggest dps boost of all.

I think in Fractals I could see it going either way... Devastation is definitely still an overall group dps boost, but if your group is lacking a Fury source, Invo could definitely be justified, especially because the extra stun break and cleanse are so useful in fractals. But, I think if your group is lacking Fury, it might also be worth it to just spec Herald and help everyone out with that.

Personally, I do Invo Open World and Devastation in raids/fractals, but if I was ever in a truly terrible fractal group, I could definitely see swapping to Invo to just treat it like I was solo'ing in the open world.

DPS wise invocation is better, but only marginally ( less than 1k difference).

I mostly run devestation because it brings more group dps but on select encounters i run invocation for the extra stun break (has saved me multiple times on sloth)

Ty both! Vm appreciated.

Dev 1-3-1 over invo for PvE...the ferocity dev is good for PvE ...225 party buff from assassins presence is nice...invo is better for WvW/PvP cause legend swap stun break and rolling mists