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even the passive ones have been nerfed into nothing.. blood magic nerfed into 2 conditions when leaving shroud not to mention it transfer 5 to you from allies when you enter.. so you enter shroud burn all your life force from conditions and then get out clean only 2 ? nty death magic was ok.. when the protection was still good uptime now they literally halved the protection time on last trait no worth considering it other than harbringer

def traitline is busted and its all the def warrior ever gonna need.. adrenal health is insane passive resustain. . they get weakness on burst with basically permanent uptime. . passive condi clean 1 every time you use burst +1 for each bar of adrenaline thats 2 conditions every burst for spell breaker and he can easily cast them none stop with FC reset cd on burst and also gaining 7 adrenaline when you disable enemy on def traitline you do hammer burst + FC + hammer burst+GS/any weapon on other hand burst thats already 4 in a blink.. each clean 2 conditions also CC = def.. when you CC enemy he cant attack and you live longer. . the perma CC on hammer is toxic and disgusting to play normally when a spell breaker catch me i just dont waste anything and let him just kill me.. skills are not hard to land they have decent aoe now and with enemy being CCed its easy to hit anything.. . on top of that dmg is insane

spite can still be somewhat useful on power harbringer ... due to might generation but to be fair they also need to buff death magic and blood magic to make up for the nerfs they done to it.. these 2 traits suspposed to be our defense but they provide nothing.. after the nerf to death magic all it provide now on any none harbringer necro is 1 condi clean every 3 seconds on shroud and some thoughness and blood magic .. basically all traits gives nothing other than last one who only clean 2 conditions now vwhen leaving shroud

unacceptable because necro is already amount if not the weakest class in game for pvp right now. .. if you cant handle Necro you honestly dont know how to play against necro.. in the current meta necro is free food.. you want to nerf necro dmg ? sure but nerf elementalist first warrior , mesmer rev thief and many more classes who do much more dmg with much more ease axe 2 has duration its not 1 strike.. and even after you nerf the others its not enough. . give necro more stability and resistance which he have none.. give necro proper ways to clean condition and much lower cast time skills/utility. that he doesnt have... oh yes and give mobility which only mobility reaper have is shroud 2 .. ... . on top of that if you cc a necro during shroud he cant even get out of shroud and he cant use utility or stun break.. he just gonna lose all life force and die..

spell breaker is a very toxic class right now. . hammer kitten really

i dont entirely disagree.. necro was op.. and deserved a nerf.. for sure.. but the nerfs were way too much and many of them were nerfs just to nerf down harbringer instead of nerfing harbringer directly they nerfed traitlines.. . i main reaper.. harbringer is basically the only necro that still playable.. and ever harbringer over nerfed and got pushed out of the meta.. so yes.. i do think that Anet should buff necros to bring some of their power back or quality of life..

hey Karras <3 you know you are the person i respect probably the most in this game.. but i have to disagree with some stuff you say here and let me explain my self please ! "necromancer has the most abilities to cleanse conditions" this statement is far from being true and ill explain now why. 1: Consume Conditions yes.. this healing skill actually remove 5 conditions. . but it has fairly long CD and its also the healing skill sometimes you will use it to heal so when you need it for condition clean its on CD. on top of that it suffer from having very long cast time 1.25 which often is hard to cast especially during this CC meta with spell breaker and chrono spaming cc 2:Well of Power is not good anymore for pvp and why its not being used.. its very much unrealistic to stand in 1 spot for 5 seconds to clean conditions.. it pulses and you can not use it to clean conditions while you are escaping you have to stand inside a small era which is never gonna happen. not only that but necro is very strict on its utility skills.. playing without spectral walk and worm for teleport and stun break.. means being very much dead.. 3:Spectral Walk : Spectral walk have been nerfed alooot over the years.. and its now only clean 1 condition every 2 seconds. . its not correct approach to count the total conditions that it can clean over duration because if you have 4-5 conditions on you and you need to clean conditions removing 1 condition every 2 seconds wont help you.. because.. its RNG you are very much unlikely to remove the right condition that is dmging you.. you cant depend on it.. its RNG... for example if you have 10 stacks of burning on you 2 stacks of torment cripple and vunability stacks.. your chance to remove the burning is only 1/4 in most cases if specral walk is your condi clean you are gonna die. 4:Putrid Mark : staff 4 is great skill.. . but lets not forget that it has a downside. . unlike warrior when you swap into staff (100% utility and kiting weapon who does not dmg ) you are to stay in staff for the next 10 seconds. . you cant use it in the middle of fight to clean conditions becuase if you are power build you gonna need your axe/focus to deal dmg.. yes you can go into shroud but thats assuming you have life force and assuming also shroud is off CD.. no class other than necro has so many restrictions limitation and awful quality of life when comes to something so basic.. 5: dagger 4: dagger 4is great skill but again the only class who can use it.. is condi necro and not even condi necro... but power necro simply dont use dagger and cant use dagger.. alot of necro stuff are outdated blood magic and death magic are traitlines that currently not working properly with 99% of necro skills.. . necro is really struggling right now after all the nerfs and it feels hella clunky class .. alot of issues so little ways to deal wth the current meta.. its really in a bad spot right now.. you need to build life force to deal dmg but even when you build life force spell breaker will CC lock you in shroud and take all your life force while you cant even use cc break . because cant use utility on shroud. . i do agree with you about foot in the grave this will be great.. and they should also make it that leaving shroud is also a stun break.. so we can leave shroud while being cced and can use our utility .. but right now.. necro is helpless while in shroud. . we get cc and we cant even leave shroud or use utility.. theres no stability and really rough shape.. that being said.. i still think that regardless to that blood magic and death magic should be reworked to work better with necro weapons and skills.. . like trait that active on 5 stacks of bleeding when only 1 weapon apply bleeding. its way too specific

thats condi necro use it. . and its not so good right now either. . it have 10 seconds cd and last 2 seconds

hey Anet.. .please consider buffing necros .. since EoD they are not good harbringer was good but nerfs to harbringers also resulted in nerf to necros.. right now both Death Magic and Blood magic are entirely useless traitlines that offer 0 of 0.. death magic maybe still somewhat work on harbringer only.. but right now. .necros dont have resistance to handle cc.. and they dont have decent condi clean to deal with condi builds.. they are simply.. bad and weak right now. . .and they need some buffs to help them deal with the current CC/invun meta ty

nerf ele xD

if anything.. buff necros .. . who are now pure poop

yes i agree.. in last 2 days i been playing as core necro (power) simply because the nerf to blood magic and death magic left reaper without much choice but pass on them for other traitlines. as they dont offer enough for reaper.. i admit that dealing with conditions is alot easier as core necro especially as condi core or even scourge. . but i am a reaper main .. and i think Anet should give reaper a solid condition cleaning . especially when reaper isnt as tanky as condi core necro who use carrion more vit = more life force and have more defensive tools in their kit.. but also due to range.. and fear and more ways to regen life force compared to reaper.. as reaper when i enter shroud enough 1 hammer Spell breaker to lock me in CC untill my life force is gone

yup.. ofc we could go their way and accuse them of being bad not knowing how to counter necreos.. but its not point.. im ok being called a troll but i think Anet should be aware of the lack of relayable condi clean for necro.. they talk forever about second life bar which is becoming rather useless right now.. should remind them that harbringer doesnt have second life bar infact it basically have half life due to blight stack reducing life .. . yet it is currently stronger than reaper who has that additional life.. with 0 def limited ways to build life force and the 5% drain per second aswell as as lack of stability and using life force as offence. . in the current bursty meta when even condition builds are bursting conditions that second life bar gone in a blink. and if they want to talk pure life.. then maybe we should remind them that curerntly after BM nerf reaper got quite literally 0 resustain. that means other classes resustain their life bar

if only this was true.. but its not.. for many reasons.. first its unrealistic to use many shout skills because worm teleport and and spectal are a must have. . so at best case you have 1 shout skill and then changing rune means losing 25% movement speed which sucks but even if we make this sacrifice it remove 1 yes 1 and only 1 condition which is once again useless in most cases..

sure thats true.. but it doesnt change the fact that we lack condi clean and if im honest with the current meta and new classes we lack alot of things. . but this one is the main problem .. we have no way to deal with conditions .

i agree with you.. . we are very limited and you say cleaning options .. but if we are honest.. on the currently played Reaper build theres literally 1 condition clean skill and thats consume conditions and you use that heal instead of shout heal literally because its your only condition clean skill. . your traitlines in spite/soul reaping/reaper offer 0 condi clean. . literally. . and then utility you need your teleport worm no condi clean then you use spectral armor for protection stub break and life force.. and spectral walk who clean a lame useless 1 condition every 2 seconds.. and then even if you wanted to give up 1 of them for a good condi clean there simply isnt one .. .not even a single one . Edit: also its not about the bar.. its literally dying to conditions all the time without being even able to do anything about it.. its frustrating and it makes me just wanna quit necro for the time being

exactly that ! and right now with new classes and changes over the years there are plenty of classes who can spam conditions. . try fight harbringer as a reaper.. i wanna see how anyone here clean the coditions? try fight chrom condi or burn guardian/ele you simply cant clean the conditions you can sacrifice everything spec fully into condition clean and it wont be enough and now you also dont have dmg. . blood magic nerfed into nothing so now necro doesnt even have resustain.. maybe only class in game with no resustain .. and no condi clean

nope im saying Necro players dont need dig too deep to find the solution the class suffer enough as it is now with all the new classes and mobility and cc added to the game.. and i clearly showed to you that the class is neglated in term of decent condi clean skills and its about time Anet change that

you make it sound better than it is by ignoring alot of factors. 1: heal yes.. 1 of the heals consume conditions .. that heal is pretty meh tho.. its even worse healing skill than rev dwalf healing and rev got 2 healing abilities. the necro consume conditions has 1.25 seconds cast time which is super easily to cancel especially with the cc meta.. and Spell breaker. its also only resustain necro has now so its often being used for the heal and goes on 30 seconds CD . and it only heals 5k :) 2: the signet also constantly trasnfer conditions from allies to you with a 1200 range o.o and then yes it clean 5 and have 45 seconds CD.. how is it fair when or good when warrior shake it off is an AOE stun break and condition clean for allies aswell as your self on 30 seconds CD? and without the downside of constantly trasnfering conditions to you from allies which is bad . really bad especially cause you got no way to handle the conditions look at warrior he has clean condition and better heal on his healing skill 20 seconds clean 5 conditions .. then warrior also have clean condition every 5 seconds on weapon swap. and clean condition on every burst skill hit + 1 condition for each bar of adrenaline . thats a passive 4 condi clean basically spamable. 3: Well of power .. well of power is not good anymore its bad .. not only its a pulsing which take us back to the argument that it only remove 1 condition 1 at a time and not 5 conditions as you claim.. theres a massive different because if someone still apply conditions on you you are still praying to RNG to clean the right conditions. on top of that you are forced to stay and stand in same place for 5 seconds.. which is unrealistic . so its useless now and bad. 4: Spectral walk .. its great skill but mainly as a stun break and mobility.. and maybe some life force. . but its not a condition clean. . first of all it only clean up to 5 not 6. and second. . it only clean 1 condition every 2 seconds interval which once again take us to the argument of RNG and pray it remove the right condition which is unlikely .. if you have lots of conditions on you and you use spectral walk as condi clean sorry but you will die . . most likely 5: spiteful renewal not useful.. again 1 condi every 30 seconds and you are already forced to use consume condition which already clean condition as your healing skill 6: Putrid mark great skill.. but its not a condition clean on demand. . it require you to swap weapon into a pure utility weapon that cant dps.. and unlike warrior you are stuck in it for 10 seconds. .its not something you can use in the middle of combat. 7:deathly swarm from dagger.. great skill and i use it on every condition build.. even on harbringer. . however on a power necro/reper build you can not use dagger because you need to use axe + focus. for life force and dmg. so its not an option.. 8: plague sending ive yet to see a power build/reaper who use curse.. its once agian like dagger good on condi builds. and perhaps why necros play more condi now days. 9:Shrouded removal again 1 condition with 3 seconds interval .. anything that remove 1 condition on interval is RNG and often wont save you. . if you have 4 conditions on you you are still praying to RNG god with a chance of 1 to 4 to clean the condition that dmging you. other death magic is for minion master only 10 :Unholy martyr useless now no one use blood magic because this traitline is useless also 2 condition when you leave shroud you need to have life force to enter shroud and then also to leave shroud to clean them. .and lets not forget that you also take conditions from allies when you enter shroud . 11: Speed of shadow sorry but this only movement conditions and doesnt clean dmging conditions which are the main issue here. 12 : Suffer useless skill 1 condition if it was 2 then ya maybe 13 : Elixir: Elixir of bliss elixer is great amazing skill. . all i ask is 1 skill like this for reaper.. thats all to it. . amazing skill and all classes have skills like this.. pretty much so reaper should have aswell.. i wont go into the tips im aware of them all but they dont solve the problem.. you are giving here some pure data which we all know but when you actually play necro/reaper you realize the issue is real and you actually have 0 dedicated condi clean .. its awful its kitten and it should be changed.

exactly that .. i try to explain this to people but none necro player wont accept it.. this entire traitline is completely useless it offers nothing of nothing.. CD on like 30 life shipon the only trait that someone do anything is the last one that consume conditions but guess what? nerfed into nothing.. take 5 conditions from allies to you and only consume 2 and give you 3% life force each.. its actually not even good anymore.. any traitline will be better. . even death magic who also been nerfed to half still more useful. i used death magic on my reaper but Anet decided to delete death magic instead of nerf harbringer directly

sure.. if you give us the stability blocks/evades/mobility that other classes have i see no reason why not?

1: its used because we must use it because we dont actually have options :) its our only 5 condi clean skill on the entire class ! (other than harbringer elixir ) 2:sometimes yes sometimes not. 3: nope you cant because there are not good condi clean utility to use or even replace it with. well of power also only remove 1 condition per pulse which is simply not good enough now days due to how fast people apply conditions. and thats even only if you can afford to stand in 1 place to get the condi clean from it. if it didnt require you to stay in the aoe perhaps. . but skills that clean 1 condition are useless . 4: yup nerf way too heavy makes the whole traitline not so appealing anymore.. better take spite for dmg

thats not 100% true :) lets start with the heal. . well while this one is true.. its still a pretty bad heal with long CD of 30 pretty meh healing of 5k(assuming no condition been consumed) and awful cast time of 11/4 seconds. and then you are FORCED to use this one. 2: staff 4 . as said before while its great skill it require you to change into utility weapon to clean and then stuck in it for 10 seconds. not always its an option. and you can not count it as clean condition on demand. 3: spectral walk is not good for condition cleaning because it clean 1 condition every 2 seconds and very often it will clean not the condition that hurt you. . if you fight class that apply more than 1 condition even if its vun +torment like harbringer you cant use spectral walk to actually clean conditions. . 4 : unholy only clean 2 conditions now . not 3 and only give you 6% life force far far far away from the 21% you mentioned. its 3% per condition and you can only clean 2 conditions. and thats also not click and clean .. you have to leave shroud for it . . so if you are not in shroud /dont have lfie force cant use it. . or if you are in shroud you have to give up your burst and dmg to clean conditions and then pray that with 2 conditions cleaned you hit the conditions you want to remove in many cases you will have 4+ conditions like chill or some poison along side burning and torment pray that it will clean the right one.. Necro should get a good 5 condition clean like other classes

shroud leave/exist is the same thing isnt it? and that require you to take blood magic which after all nerfs doesnt really offer much of anything other than the 2 condi clean on leaving shroud over nerfed trailine.. staff 4 yes its decent.. but if you change into staff to clean condi you are pretty much stuck in staff for 10 seconds which is ok sometimes but often its not because you cant really dps in staff. all the nerfs to blood magic and death magic made them not really so good anymore and rather take spite. . but then you basically just have staff 4 which sometimes you cant use.. cause it require change weapon from axe to staff.. and consume which is also your healing skill which sometimes will be on CD or sometimes cant really use due to the unfair long cast time . but theres no good dedicated condi clean skill even well of power is pulses of 1 each second if you can even afford to stand for the whole duration .. and spectral is 1 condition every 2 seconds.. its just unfair and annoyin

hey Arena Net please provide Necro/reaper more ways to clean conditions. . we have close to none condi cleans yes we have spectral walk but its 1 condition at random every 2 seconds. . it doesnt actually help.. and we are being forced to use consume condition healing skill just for the condi clean . please add more condi clean or buff spectral walk condition cleaning ! thank you !