DaniTheHero.6318

- What objective reason is there to play Condi Berserker instead of Condi Virtouso, other than hating pink? if we only consider Instanced PVE, since in Open world "anything goes", The most popular healer in the game will be a quickness provider anyways. If anything it's a travesty Power Berserker has been gutted so much. Is not only the most fun warrior to play, but also the only thing close to Li warrior has. -On paper? Sure. Highest potentional DPS. In reality? One of the hardest and most punishing class to play in the game, if not THE. A kit that is pretty much built around a single big hit move which is Melee, highly telegraphed, has to be charged while being immobile, easily distrupted (and avoided). A lot of content isn't even viable for Bladesworn, which is already a problem when you have to swap to something else if you're doing certain encounters, when other classes don't need to do that. There's a reason why barely any people play it if you look at the overall playerbase, other than the ultra min/maxing of the veteran population. Even on Wingman and other sites that provide statistics, where usually people who at the very least aren't casual interact with, Bladesworn is less popular than even Daredevil. less than 2%. -There's plenty of "decently average" and "welcoming" things to play that would be far more useful and diverse down the line. Saying "well X isn't TERRIBLE, so there isn't an issue" isn't much of an argument. It's not just the lack of safety, numbers or ease. It's also the lack of diveristy of play. Core warrior is a warrior, Spellbreaker is a warrior, Beserker is a warrior, bladesworn is a warrior. There's no real diversity of play. Core warrior Spellbreaker and Berserker practically have the exact same gameplay, GS + Axe with certain variations and slight adjusments in rotations. Also No healer build, no alacrity build, no real tank build. Just DPS/qDPS, while others do higher numbers, more easily achieved, and have the options to do other things. That's across 4 version of the class.

Thank you.

Bladesworn not only requires great mastery of the class itself , not only is very easy to messup the rotation it has, but also requires incredible mastery of the encounter itself. Dragon Trigger 1 being the majority of your damage, that can be canceled very easily by any CC move from bosses, phase changes, and of course the boss just moving. There's a reason why every build site on there labels BS (and a certain Mirage) as the hardest things to play. It's also not as good for Open world PVE, it lacks proper sustain, can't really CC/break defiance bars as your utlity slots are needed for Bladesworn setup, and you don't have any of it built in your character if you're going DPS to begin with. Besides, even if potentionally Bladesworn is the highest DPS. The amount of effort it requires, the amount of restrictions it has to get there and the fact that it's only usable in certain modes and situations, makes the choice not worth it. Why not just stick to 2nd or 3rd best DPS, but pick something infinitily easier and more verstaile. Not to mention the ranged vs melee thing. And of course, Bladesworn having "highest benchmark in game" on paper, doesn't suddenly change the fact that all the Warrior elites do is deal damage, with no viable supporting build, and the other elites suck.

Whenever I do instanced content with my friends/guildies, I ask people specfically not to read out arc DPS. It gets quite frustrating when I try super hard, and still below every single mechanist that is just spamming 1.

Power Berserker is super fun, too bad it's so bugged/nerfed that it's by definition a troll pick everywhere.

Exactly. All the elites and core have only one role, and they don't even excel at it.

ANET has been constantly bullying warrior, there is no objective reason to play Warrior anymore when Guardian is superior in every way. Warrior serves no real meta role other than DPS, and even that it doesn't do as well as other classes. I feel like i'm troll picking whenever I do instanced content with my warrior. And don't let me get started on the butchery that has been happening to Power Berserker.

That's not entirely true. Sure in the end if you play casually, it doesn't matter what you play as long as you have fun, and even less casually as long as you're doing fine, it doesn't *really* matter*. However there is a difference here. This isn't a matter of similar classes and one of the two happened to have just smaller numberes. It's an objective reality where one class is by far, not as useful as the others, weaker than the others, and in some cases harder to play. I mean Mechanist isn't UNFUN to play. Why shouldn't I just swap my DPS warrior to Mechanist? I'll have to focus far less, i'll exert less effort, and i'll even do BETTER than I would've done with my warrior. Or what if my only role isn't needed in the group i'm currently in? Instead of either hindering it or leaving to find a different one, I could simply swap into a strong support or healer build instead using either the same elite or one of the others within the same class. I mean what would I do with my warrior? Throw (the terrible) banners and AOE shake it off? There's a bigger fundemental problem here than just "Caring with others think". There is practically no objective reason, from a long term gameplay point of view, to play Warrior when it barely does anything and the few things it does do it does poorly compared to other classes that are EASIER to play. This doesn't just end in PVE. Today I had my mind blown. I was playing Warrior for years, including in spvp. I was always aware of how poor it is. Today I had enough. I tried mechanist, for the FIRST time. And faired better, post nerf than I ever had in 8 years as a Warrior of any elite. I won 5 games in a row, died maybe like once throughout the entire couple of matches. The experience was just night and day. Tons of mobility, CC, stunbreaks, all while being uber safe from a distance and dealing massive damage. Like, why would I EVER play warrior again in spvp?

Although this techincally may be true, there truly really isn't a difference between saying "Warrior isn't bad, everything else is just overpowered" and "Warrior is bad, everything else is decent". Because the end result is all the same. One class objectively weaker than many others.

That is indeed the WvW experience for it. Playing Warrior in PVE, especially Raid/Strike content is no different. Warrior of any elite is only relevant as DPS on these, as any "possible" support builds are completley irrelevant when things like Firebrand and Mechanists exist, among other ones. Spellbreaker and Berserker are obviously far from being the "meta"/top DPS and, and while Bladesworn can be potentionally the highest DPS in that enviroment, it's far far FAR hardest to accomplish than the close second and thirds that due it with far less effort and risk. Not to mention warrior provides far less boons when playing as pure DPS than pretty much any other class. In sPVP before Bladesworn Warrior was a literal troll pick for years, and now with the Tactial reoad nerf it's not as viable as plenty of other options again. The warrior experience can be pretty much be summed with : "Why aren't you playing Guardian already?" I think the only content warrior does "Well" is the Open world, due to high amount of cleave it has, but that is by far the last reason you'd want to main a class obviously.

If so, is there something that can be done about it at this point? What objective reason is there to play Warrior across any of the game modes? Other than an attraction to the theme or asthethics, why really play Warrior now? Across core and 3 Elites, it seems like the least verstaile/serves the least "roles" among all the classes, and even in the few roles it does have, other classes do them better and usuallly achieve it with less effort (Due to being range or simply less forgiving rotations). This is less a discussion about "Warrior as a proffesional" and more of a general discussion about the place of a certain class that seems to have been outshined by all the other classes in the game.

Warrior is once again unplayable in sPVP and anyone who says otherwise is dishonest. The changes to Spellbreaker and Berserker aren't nearly enough to make them viable, and BladeSworn is literally worthless in sPVP now. You can't sustain yourself as much as you could before, and your signature move is one of the most telegraphed move in the game, so it doesn't matter if it's "Strong" if everyone avoids it unless there's A LOT of visual noise happening in that moment. Every other class has constant range and CC and with stuff like Mechanist that also deals an enourmous amount of damage, and a Bladesworn pretty much can't fight in any scenario that isn't a direct and continued 1vs1. This of course ignoring the fact that there's really no real objective reason to play warrior in PVE instead of pretty much any other class. Across core and 3 ELITE's, warrior has the least roles among all classes, and it doesn't even excell in the few roles that it does hold as someone does those better. You "can" reach TOP DPS on Certain bosses as a Bladesworn specifically, but it requires far, far far more proper execution that the close seconds and thirds that would just button mash with little effort or care for rotation. The ONLY reason I haven't already switched to a different class like Guardian or Engineer is because I have invested a lot of time and gems into the warrior who is my first character. 100% Map completion across all areas, full story completion, bag , build and template slots and so on.

Obviously I'm 'salty' when there's classes that are OBJECTIVELY better than other classes in every way. Bad game design.

I doubt either change will suddenly make them amazing picks in PVP. It's just going to go from bad pick/borderline trolling to playable, at the exchange of making a very strong build into near irrelevant. The Sustain is what made BladeSworn strong in PVP, not the potentional damage output. At that point why even play Warrior in PVP? There's far stronger and easier options to play, which is the entire issue. Regardless, Although this is a PVP patch, the general point i'm trying to make that Warrior seems to get benched in every gamemode, all the time.

As literally anyone playing PVE should be. There's is no place in a healthy game for such a class. It is the most Low intentisty class in the game, and yet able to Top DPS in every PVE enviroment with ZERO effort and ZERO danger. It does Power, it does Condi, it's a fantastic support and healer. If we exclude personal preference of a specific asthetic or "theme", why would anyone objectively pick other classes, especially something like Warrior Over just playing Mechanist? It's Melee, so it generally downs more easily and there will be moments where DPS will be interrupted due to distance. It effectively only has one use/build in the entire PVE Meta, and other classes (such as the mechanist) do my ONE role better. Mech as a single elite class, covers more roles and builds then the entire Warrior catelog, and does everything it does better, easier and safer. Have you been doing pug Strikes and Raids even in the current patch (after numerous Mechanist nerfs already)? Half of the people playing are Mechanists, and they are always top DPS by practically not mechanically doing anything. They also can swap to Support/Heal and cover another role, and still do incredible damage. If the optimal way to play the game is 8 Mechanists and 2 quickness providers, there's a problem.