Xero the Dark.8230

Just did two attempts in a row: Both fails. BUT...I am getting closer. Before I was always hitting 20%...these past two times my groups were both RIGHT on the verge of winning...it's the last 5 mins of the battle that are causing trouble for me now. Won't get another chance to try again until tomorrow night. I just didn't expect this meta to be like that when I first got to it. Now that there's hope...I'm willing to try. Still think it could use some work - but getting closer at least. I'm not going to torture myself and stay up all night trying to do this - and burn myself out again. It would have been nice to have everything done within the four days I took off from work (the first week of the expansion) - but I guess things don't always go as planned. TO BE FAIR though...I am feeling a lot better about this now that we are seeing solid changes and receiving actual responses (hopefully that won't stop!!! I think communication is the key here!!!). I get that they are struggling to make everyone happy. I'm also a bit worried about these 'Writs of the Jade Sea' - my theory is that we'll have to buy them from the vendor using some kind(s) of other currency? Could be wrong - and he *could* have meant Writs of Dragon's End (in which case...I'm prepared).

Thank you so much for the response!! Thank you for letting us know the plan. Thank you. ❤

Thanks for trying everyone. I was going to attempt it again when I get home...but this is affecting me way more than it should be. I'll go another night without playing my favorite game. I'll just watch the X-Files instead. Maybe they'll fix it eventually. The devs don't seem like cruel people individually, but this design is cruel.

Exactly! This is exactly my point. I'm so sorry this is happening. I struggle with depression (unmedicated for the moment - things are getting expensive and I'm not suicidal thankfully...so I don't refill like I should. Spending $80 + on this didn't help tbh...but I've been a loyal part of the fan base until all this...). I'm not top tier at all, myself...I join fictional worlds to escape reality and maybe get a bit obsessive. I don't usually care about "hardcore" things like stats or numbers too much - I'm in it for the world / immersion. Until this battle I have felt powerful and accomplished...but now? Idk what they were thinking. 😞

If you're going to make content "difficult" at least make it SOLOABLE so my stats / personal skill level frikking matter!!

It's literally a PvE open world event...ANYONE should be able to participate and feel they gave contributed. Not just get yelled at for "not being good enough". The real world is a terrible place right now, and when WE need their world to escape THIS is what they do? THIS is how they thank us for our money + time? I wouldn't call myself a casual...but I'm not "Hardcore" either. I've DONE different varieties of content, have my character built up for max DPS, have full ascended etc etc. I have the Skyscale and even legendaries. I'm not just a "push 1" player...but WHY shouldn't this be accessible for those who are? My point is that ther are LEGITIMATE REASONS some people can't do this. We're not all Dark Souls players...personally I dislike that game series. So...because I like RPGs that I can actually win / feel accomplishment that makes me "useless" in GW2 just because I can't win at this RNG fest of a turtle lottery? It's not even about my personal build/ stats. The barely factor in at all.

Not when they include a level 80 boost with the purchase of the expansion so that new players can come in, join this meta, have no idea what is going on, get yelled at for not knowing what is going on...and let's just completely forget about our disabled/elderly/young/people with mental health issues/etc players. They don't get turtles, right Anet? Way to be "accepting". 😞 Thanks for the awesome LGBTQ representation in the story...legitimately...but...

Well...this is their answer I guess. They fixed some bugs with the battle. Let me know if it actually helps / makes a difference...

Waiting for the response from Anet...I didn't play at all yesterday. Haven't been able to enjoy the game since this...and I've been feeling terrible IRL as well...but that's a me problem. This was just another contribution to my already stressful life. It shouldn't be like that. And maybe I shouldn't care so much about "just a game"...but right now it feels like my real world AND my escapism world are both falling apart. Call me dramatic idc. I feel what I feel. Every hour of silence and ignorance (I see what they're doing: "Let's focus on the positive!"...) just makes this all feel worse. I'm worried they won't do anything at all to fix this mess. I'm worried this game will destroy itself if things continue this way. I tried ESO...wasn't my thing. Tried a few others...not my thing. Skyrim is broken due to 300+ mods (which all worked fine the last time I played...) and I don't have time to fix it. Guild Wars 2 is/was my thing. Now...idk. It doesn't feel good at the moment...and it hurts that the devs (or maybe the CEO?)...or whoever is responsible for this mess...and the silence afterwards...it hurts that they don't seem to care at all about this.

@Seraphis Zurvan.6839 I do believe you...and I know I've been pretty vocal myself in these forums because of this...I'm upset...but I would never want to be abusive / mocking towards anyone...some of these comments from some of the raiders mock other players...just because someone is new / learning / has mental health issues / has a disability/ is young / is elderly...etc...or for ANY other reason this just might not be their content. But we were all promised untrue things. It's more about the betrayal / concept of this (at least for me) than it is about the turtle. But I keep seeing people saying "All this over a turtle?" "GET GUD!" "GET BETTER" etc...I do not get where it's coming from. ANet is choosing to lock out the people I mentioned above just to "make people get better"...and what if some of us DO just want to relax (even just press 1 to autoattack [not me, but still!]). What's wrong with that? Do people not get that choice anymore? I get that some of you want harder content but it has to have its place and be ANNOUNCED that way to begin with. Especially if they're going to put it into PvE...instead this was not mentioned at all and hidden from us. Now Anet is just being silent and not even apologizing at the very least for all this terrible mess. It's not entitlement...this just hurts coming from people we trusted.

Yeah...if they want us to "improve our skill" and "try out different content"...this IS NOT the way to go about it. I (and probably many others) HAVE BEEN IMPROVING already. Just by playing the game. I even HAD a passing interest in raids and was slowly working up to it...but the way they decided to PUSH this before I was ready? It should be OUR CHOICE as players when WE want to move into harder content. Sure, we 'have the choice to ignore this meta' but its OPEN. WORLD. CONTENT. THAT is MY content as a mainly PVE player. I do regularly PvP, have WvWd enough to get the warclaw AND Gift to make a legendary. I've done dungeons. I haven't done many strike missions, but I've done a few. I WAS working towards this. After THIS implementation I don't think I ever want to try raids...seeing the attitudes of raiders (not all, many have understood and even been helpful to other players!)...I want my (mostly) non-toxic PVE content back!!!

"Refuse to invest time" What exactly do you think people have been doing? Investing HOURS (DAYS IN SOME CASES) on this ONE event. YOUR argument is the one that is invalid. And I'm tired of seeing the comments from people saying this is "easy", as it's obviously not and you all DID just get lucky (either lucky enough to know the right guilds/raiders/people OR lucky with the RNG). Nothing about this is resolved by skill alone (especially not the skill of just ONE player). You're all not as special as you think. Stop pretending to be better than everyone else - you have a superiority complex, ok...we get it...but just stop. We are complaining because we were lied to. We were tricked and many of us have INVESTED years into this game / world. Now, the devs are seemingly twisting everything we love(d) about this game for the sake of "making things difficult" and implementing it in a very absurd way. This was a betrayal for those of us who actually care. How are some of you truly ok with this? I'm already downloading alternative options in case they decide to hide behind silence/ignorance again or worse: claim to be fixing this but not actually make any solid changes AGAIN. This is still very broken. Some of you are acting like we just want free stuff - ...people...I can only speak for myself: but I spent $80 on this TWICE (once for myself, once for my sister.)..that doesn't include all the gems / items I have bought...or all the time I have spent on this game. I pre-ordered and PAID like that because I love the game and didn't expect THIS level of betrayal from the people who were seemingly so excited/ happy to get this to us. With this meta design, it seems evil in retrospect since they knew they were going to be forcing this content on us. It's not "a free handout"...and I HAVE played and done my part repeately as an individual but I still have nothing to show for it. The turtle is NOT the problem. It's the entire concept of all this. It IS their game, yes...but they didn't have to punch us all in the face to show us that. They shouldn't force this direction on the entire community. If the problem is "too many different opinions from players" then make MULTIPLE VERSIONS to make everyone happy...but don't force us into content we don't want to take part in. This is not ok.

This hurts. Idk why ANet's strategy is to just go quiet...they know we're suffering - I'm not being 'dramatic'...as a community we are tearing each other apart over this. The 'hardcore raiders' say "It's just a game! Get over it! Come back later!"...but for some of us this is a WORLD, not JUST a game. I wanted to get through the tedious stuff first so that I can experience the game in a relaxing way...and now...I'm not even sure I want to. It sucks. I was so excited. 😞 I'll always come back...(unfortunately?)...because I have invested so much time (and money) in this WORLD. I've been obsessing over these forums...hoping they will fix this mess...but I can't keep doing this. I can't keep trying over and over again and failing over and over again - it is NOT good for mental health...especially with our community being so toxic right now (and I'm including myself in that. I haven't been abusive to anyone that I know of - at least NOT intentionally...but I do tend to rant.) ...I really don't get why some people are so happy about this "challenge"...there is no challenge to it. You just have to know the right people / get lucky. And I don't know the right people...and I'm not lucky in general. I don't think they understand how much this world means to some of us...I come to your digital world for escapism from harsh reality. I don't need YOUR world becoming a harsh reality of it's own....but it IS YOUR world. Not mine. 😞 I'm sorry. I HOPE this gets better...but...I can't obsess over it anymore. I keep saying "I'm done" but coming back....but this time it's for real. I'll check in on Monday (whenever I actually get a chance...I'll be back at work then. Hopefully there will be a legitimate fix for this mess...if not...I hate to give up on this game....but if THIS is the direction they are wanting to go...I don't belong in their world anymore. I love my character...I love the lore...I love everything....except this whole mess. It didn't need to be this way to begin with. It feels like they don't care about us (players) at all...and if that's the case...I'm gone. At least I'll save more money.

Again, it is not just like every other meta. This one was designed to fail. It's not something that can be "figured out" in it's current state. We've already figured out the strategies / basics to the fight. The problem is the random luck aspect - 50 random people of varying skill levels and equipment...with a fight that wasn't designed with that in mind. That's not "a hard meta"...that's blocking players who do their best...that's not "difficulty". It's rigged. Even ANet themselves specifically said they designed this differently than any other meta events...it's literally RIGHT here: "The Jade Sea meta was designed to be the ultimate open world finale, an epic conclusion to the 10-year Elder Dragon story arc. To accomplish this, we challenged our own conventions for creating open world content to provide an encounter unlike anything ever seen before in Guild Wars 2." I said *apparently* they are standing behind the elitist raiders POV...that's how it seems. They "fixed" the green circle mechanic in a way that benefits the raiders (who were HAPPY with this rigged battle to begin with) instead of fixing it for those of us who are failing. You say the content doesn't have an "end date" - but if the toxicity remains and continues to grow in the community this meta will DIE OUT. Then no one will have the turtle. That's what the LUCKY elitist raiders who already HAVE their turtles want - that's why there were people INTENTIONALLY ruining the event for those of us who don't have ours yet. They want to feel special. They don't want us to ALL get our turtles. Then they won't feel special anymore. So they ruin it for us. It's also the reason for the "This battle is just hard, get better at it" arguments. 😕

We shouldn't even have to argue...I'm not usually like this at all...but the way this was executed is making this community toxic. That's a problem. I love Guild Wars 2...but decisions were made for this battle that I do not understand. Instead of apologizing and fixing the mistake, ANet is leaving it to stew for the entire weekend. That's a problem. As I said...it would be fine if it was just "hard" / a learning experience...but it's not something you can learn from. You literally just play the turtle lottery over and over again until you get lucky. That's supposed to give us a feeling of accomplishment??? This is not like every other meta event...this one is rigged specifically for failure. Ok, the thing is...yes it's new content...but it's not upsetting because of the bugs / mechanics we aren't used to yet...it's upsetting because of the design decisions...which the devs are apparently standing by firmly. This COULD have been a truly great battle...it still could be...but apparently the devs are standing behind the elitist raiders viewpoint? I don't get it. This isn't "challenging" content...some of us are just really not lucky. I don't have time to spend my entire weekend playing turtle lottery.

Because it's NOT "hard". It's an illusion of difficulty. If it was just "hard" / difficult it would be fine. We could evolve and learn and move past it. It's an RNG nightmare. It's a false sense of difficulty. If it was just a "hard battle" - it would be acceptable. I don't get why people think this is challenging / fun...the mechanics aren't all bad...I actually like some of the designs for the battle. It SHOULD be hard - it's supposed to be an "epic battle" to end the dragon saga...but it ISNT HARD...it's nearly impossible due to how it's been executed. THAT is the problem. Most of us are good players, we just don't have 50 RAID friends. It's ALL about luck. Which I very clearly do not have. So the people who DO have 50+ RAID friends and can plan their groups out are luckier than people like me...and they GET their stupid turtles and brag about it and then say things like "I don't get why you can't handle the difficulty"....because it's NOT difficult...it's rigged.

I hate that people are leaving the game over this. I DEFINITELY get the frustration and feeling of betrayal. I can't believe they did this to us intentionally either. They outright lied to us and instead of apologizing and fixing the situation...they seem to be encouraging the elitist trolls. Maybe I'm an idiot for being excited. Maybe it WAS naive of me to pay $80 for this...trusting them not to do...THIS. I don't want a refund...I genuinely love the world of Tyria. That's why this all stings so bad. They are encouraging the toxic players...while leaving the rest of us with a feeling of betrayal. Maybe ANet doesn't care...but it hurts ME even more seeing people leave over this mess...but I don't blame them for leaving. It just sucks that GW2 was getting SO MANY new players and even seemed to be taking the #1 MMO spot...WoW players started coming to GW2 and that is cool - new people! But ANet doing this to us all ruined the experience for so many of us...they KNEW what they were doing. It was an intentional design. I just don't get WHY they would do this when everything was going so well...

I've legit given up. They don't respect our time, they don't care about our spent money. I'm going back to modded Skyrim. I'll be back eventually. When I cool down...but the fact that they KNEW they were doing it this way. They PLANNED it this way and STILL hyped up the expansion. I was there for every livestream. This is a serious betrayal.

Yup. Still broken. Like my trust. I'll never spend $80 due to excitement again. They hyped this up and THEY KNEW this was coming. I don't want your turle mount anymore. My time and money means nothing to you.

Trying it again now that I have a chance. This will quite possibly be my last attempt unless there is ever a legit fix for this broken meta. "We fixed the green circles so you can't find a way around this toxic mechanic anymore" doesn't count. I have better things to do for 1 or 2 hours at a time than repeatedly lose. Especially when it's something I can't personally improve on.

Thank you, ANet...for an amazing story...beautiful places...interesting characters...even cool new gameplay elements. The game is awesome...but this meta event. I get it. You can't make everyone happy. I genuinely don't understand the people who want it to stay the way it is/ was. It's all been so toxic after everything else was near perfection. I just don't get it. My excitement for the mount has unfortunately been squashed. IF I ever get it (going to try this meta again after the updates when I get home - against my better judgement)...it won't even feel special. I probably won't even use it that much. You wanted it to feel earned. I get it. But thats not how it feels after all this. Thank you for the changes...but this community is becoming more and more toxic. The superiority and gatekeeping isn't helping. I'm sorry, but I loved everything up to the meta...then to be punished like that? For what? It doesn't feel like an 'epic battle'...I apologize again...but it feels like a punishment. I play games to escape reality (including people)...but we are now forced to rely on jerks, trolls, and the poor new people who have THIS as a 'memorable' GW2 experience...its not THEIR fault at least...but of all the GOOD content in the game...THIS could have been a good experience for all of us...I don't get the design choices for this fight...but thank you for everything else.

"Slightly challenging" I don't get all the people who are trying so hard to appear superior by downplaying this. You literally just got lucky / know many skilled players. That doesn't make you "better"...it just makes you luckier. Try it with complete strangers. With no one you know. Then come tell us your "win rate".

I've been using this one: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Revolver_of_the_Sunless But be warned: It is a rare ascended drop from Tequatl...:(

I don't even want the turtle anymore at this point. This is a mess. Forget the turtle mount. If they fix it, they fix it. MAYBE I'll do it then. Until then, forget it.

Ok...to the people who keep using the SAME argument over and over again: "People will get better! That's a good thing!" - you are completely IGNORING the fact that NEW players who bought this game and expansion get Level 80 boosts. Which is fine. I'm GLAD we're getting new players who get to experience the awesomeness of this game. THIS META though, invites NEW PLAYERS and EXPERIENCED PLAYERS. You are IGNORING the fact that some of these people literally JUST STARTED PLAYING. Sure, they will "get better"...but it will take a while. What is wrong with those of us who ARE experienced wanting a mount that was advertised to us (some of us paid $80 for this btw...)? I took off 4 days of work hoping to have the rewards completed...so that I can enjoy the world more afterwards. I don't always HAVE time like I do right now to do all this. THAT is why some of us seem to be "in a rush" and wanting "right now" rewards. Its fine that it will be "figured out" / fixed eventually...but it is very upsetting for some of us. Why was it planned this way to begin with?