Shadow.1345

The reason is for SPvP to have normalized stats instead of just being the guy with the best gear gets an advantage. It makes it easier for people to just jump right into PvP. The current selection came from taking out cancerous sigils and amulets. There used to be a lot more choices and where as you think it made for more choices it didn't because there was a few that just outperformed all the rest. Every power build ran sigil of air and sigil of blood or sigil of fire on their main weapon set. The reason was that sigil of air procs beat out sigil of force in overall DPS. Then you just picked if you wanted an AoE proc or a life steal proc. Those were just a matter of choice. Then the ranged weapon option usually had sigil of energy along with another sigil that did an aoe condi proc. Usually the one that did chill. Then that was it really. Everything else was inferior and anybody who ran something different eventually picked those choices when they kept losing. Runes were pretty much the same way. Pretty much every power build used runes of vampirism because in addition to the extra power and lifesteal procs you got mistform when you got hit below 20% health to run away and hopefully get healed. Some people took Pack runes for all the boons but that was usually higher end players that didn't need the panic passive.

Only when I am playing necromancer.

Yep.Though I do see some Thieves duel on node with Smokescreen, but again, wasted utility which can be used in a mid fight and totally shutdown the enemy who are trying to fight on node. I guess. Thanks for the answers but I'd just rather have that Firebrand or Tempest or even Necromancer or Holosmith in the midfight at start than at home on the chance somebody from the other team goes for our home node at start. Even when I play thief and I have to run to avoid something I can't 1v1 I just go spike down the lowest target at mid to help my team win that fight before going on to far to get that node because it's generally uncontested by that point. Usually then my team just wins the midfight and then goes and reclaims home.

Pretty much every unranked match I have played since the mini-season started and even before that too, the thief on my team goes to mid at the start. When I ask why the thief always tells me that is stupid and I don't know what I am talking about. Has using their superior mobility to get the home node first and then +1ing a fight or rotating far fallen out of style?

Like this: " most ppl in this game incl most Mesmer mains do not understand the spec well as also are not able to play the IH/ambush mechanic on Powermirage even near its maximum potential, it seems its beyond their horizon" By removing the phrase "it seems beyond their horizon" the statement now just says: "most ppl in this game incl most Mesmer mains do not understand the spec well as also are not able to play the IH/ambush mechanic on Powermirage even near its maximum potential." The statement still conveys the same message so the part about it being beyond their horizon is not only unnecessary to get the message across but it only serves to insult people by saying they aren't smart enough to understand the thing you are talking about. That's just a simple way for starters. It could also be rewritten so as to convey your point without speaking down to the reader: "A lot of players, including people who play Mirage a lot, miss out on how mirage cloak and ambush skills with power weapons can be used for more than just evading attacks or applying damage. For example the daze from sword ambush clone attacks can be used to interrupt skills when they are not close enough themselves or in order to interrupt follow up attacks after the Mirage has been CCed with a stun or knockdown. An example being dazing a warrior after Bull's Rush in order to interrupt the Hundred Blade attack that generally follows or if the target is going to heal but has broken line of sight to keep your own sword ambush from landing but one of your clones does have line of sight and is in range." This statement doesn't condescend to the reader and even goes on to provide details to add to the statement as well as educating the reader on how to better use the spec.

Actually you can be. It's really simple, just write what you want to write without all of the insults you add. They really don't support your argument at all in anyway.

They did that update several hours after I made this post so telling to to stop crying is irrelevant. Had they mentioned they were on top of things and to expect minor changes at any point in time would of stoped this posts creations. I apologise They did say all of that about a week before they released the patch. You just got impatient.

They just released an update patch like they said they would do if stuff was too powerful. You can stop crying about communication now. They're doing what they already said they would do.

They already said that they know stuff will be chaotic before they released the patch and they would make fixes to it. Try not to be so impatient. It's only been 6 days.

While you bend over like the coward you are. Ohhhh internet tough guy here. Says the goof who called me a nerd LOL Goi make your own (blank) nerd(s) is statement said often about all kinds of things. Again, if you don't like how they do things then move on. Nobody is keeping you here but yourself. That or go make your own game and show them how it is done. Chances are though, you work for a corporation and aren't even good at your job there. That is if you even have one. I’m sorry dude but if you think me asking for better communication is grounds for you to start attacking me then you have to take a step back. I think its widely accepted we’ve been starved for communication, and it’s unfortunate this turned into a flame war, I apologize for being rude to you. Apology accepted and I apologize for being rude to you too.

Yeah that’s why we have not a single meta build The patch is less than a week old, there are 0 meta builds right now. Even if there won't be a meta build the join the club with all the other classes that went years without a meta build while Mesmer had one pretty much every different meta. We all know how much you know about this game why do you even write in this forum. You are so ignorant that you even oversee the fact that we all played without IH spam but Anet made it like that so we HAD to play with it. People didn’t like shatter play so they moved everything to IH and playstyle that supports that. Now they even nerfed the dmg coefficients of F1 so when we shatter 3 clones and not all clones crit we are doing less dmg then with 1 clones that crits. How are we supposed to compensate that? You are right with even more passiv play. You talk about more skilled game play but it is definitely the other way around. Have you even tried playing Mirage since the patch to see how it handles or do you just QQ on the forums?

The patch has been out a week tomorrow. Chill the f out bro.

Besides all the stuff about how long it takes to actually do all of the work, they are human beings who are just working at their job and they deserve to go home at the end of the day too.

CC + focus kills core blood bunker necro because they have no ability to pressure outside of lich form. When they go into lich form just kite it or go to another point. It's strong in 2v2 but 2v2 is just a side gamemode and shouldn't be what balance is based on. If you're having trouble against it in 5v5 go to another point or kill everyone else and then focus the necro down. The two stunbreaks are used more for generating lifeforce than being just saved for breaking stuns. In a 1v1 it is hard to kill but it's too weak in the damage department to kill you either really.

Mirage is still playable. It just requires actual positioning, picking your battles and using your shatters instead of just getting carried by MC + IH spam. Just swap to Illusions instead of Chaos for better shatters and drop the scepter for an axe. You won't be nearly invincible but you can still kill stuff.

Yes, but mirage cloak breaks the design philosophy of the rest of the game. No one else can dodge while attacking or while disabled. So you give up one thing to get something else. "No one else can dodge while attacking" except thief, ele, war, necro. - you forgot Rev, Guard, Ranger, Engi, "No one else can avoid dmg while disabled without a stunbreak" (by dodge or other defense skills) except Warrior, Guard, Ele, Thief, Ranger, Rev. Some of the skills/ traits even completely passive and on specs with the ability to passively facetank way more. So yes Mirage is build around a dodge mechanic just gives what other classes have tons of in other forms already on specs in general able to facetank way more, while also (pre patch) still having more dodges. MC sounds very op in comparision xD I say it again, MC was not the problem anymore, that was balanced out by several pre patch nerfs and the 3 inherent costs implemented into the spec since PoF release. Mirage already had less dodges than most other classes. The only thing made ONLY Condimirage (not Powermirage) op and ez to play and noobcarry where the op and too passive designed clone ambushes (and normal condi clone autoattacks) allowing the Mirage to do insane passive dmg from only clones and that even when disabled. The dmg a Powermirage can do when disabled only by clones is a joke (and that is good), also a joke compared to what other classes can do for dmg with dodges or while dodging. But even the op and passive condi clone ambushes and normal clone autoattacks pre patch wouldn't have been enough for pre patch Condimirage to stay in pre patch meta, they needed to use broken and passsive noobcarry Chaosline in addition. That is how "OP and beyond broken" Miragetraitline by its own was/ is :joy: Right, and rather than ever just fixing Mirage (like chrono) they kept changing core skills and traits to nerf mirage and chrono .boggle They nerfed the Domination line and more people went condi from power mirage iirc, then Illusions (condi stacks reduced, torch damage slowed/nerfed, etc) then when people went over to Chaos line they nerfed that (super speed, CI, etc, etc, etc basically all of chaos has been nerfed at this point every trait I think at least once in the last 2 yr). Then finally they "fix" mirage like they "fixed" chrono. (Im sure Im missing stuff just trying to agree that rather than fix mirage and chrono traits they "fixed" everything in a way that didnt "fix" anything really) Nerfing Chaosline is not the issue (in my opinion), it needs to be nerfed even more or better just reworked. Core or not, this traitline is the most braindead Mesmer has (followed by Inspiration) and was (maybe even still is, no clue atm) insanely broken. I agree to condi shatter traits being overnerfed with the time instead just touching the root problems like condi ambushes and condi clone normal autoattacks. What does this even mean? Every single profession in the game has a line for defense and a line for healing. I don't see what distinguishes Chaos/Inspiration from Éarth/Water, Retribution/Salvation, Shadow Arts/Acrobatcs, etcBro you can't possibly understand that deep 6 dimensional tactical thinking behind it. That 5 seconds of regen and 2 seconds of protection every 15 seconds is triple OG hardnoobcarry passive. It's power beyond your comprehension. You can't possibly do 650 damage over 5 seconds to counter that hardnoobcarry boon that was totally unearned. You thought it was Mirage line that was making Mesmer facerolly. Nah bro, It was Metaphysical Rejuventation and Illsuionary Membrane that was haunting mesmer hater dreams and now they will rue the day that Anet didn't nerf Chaos instead.

So this statement is confusing. Are they going to regret that they made Mesmer more powerful or is mesmer dead because Mirage got nerfed.? I am not surprised, that you are still confused, and that on a lvl leaves me open-mouthed. I am rly not sure here if you just want to trigger me. But if not, then we are moving in circles and i do not start a wall of text again to explain to you why also this question just shows that you still deny to understand facts. Also you made quite clear after my last big wall of text effort to explain something to you, that you are not interested/willing to discuss it as deep as it needs to be discussed to not be just a superficial nonsense propaganda lvl discussion at the crackerbarrel of a bar based on zero facts and no logic. I am not interested to do that. Discussing with you both Viquing/ Shadow feels like: You say rain is dry. I say uhmm wait... no, rain is wet. You say: No that is your opinion and i do not agree to it. :joy: Sadly i cannot just go out of the door while its raining to prove me right here, i also cannot take a boat and sail around the world to prove that the earth is not flat... When logic itself doesn't convince then i have no tools anymore to go any further. I guess i should just stop at this point and say: Ok disagree, if you feel better than. You're right man. I'm stupid. I'm a dummy. I can't think in terms any more simple than 1+1 =2. My parents dropped me on my head a bunch when I was a kid and it made too dumb to understand things on a deeper scientific level. I'm sorry I'm mentally retarded and nowhere near your level of supreme genius. You are the greatest genius on these forums and a not just that but a man of supreme virtue that should have a shrine built to you. ANet should make you the boss and make all decisions through you. From now what ever you say I will treat as gospel. So explain to me like I am five how Mirage getting nerfed is going to make Mesmer haters regret what ANet did to Mirage? Because if Mirage is nerfed too hard and nobody plays it then they should be happy. I mean at least I think so but as stated I can't think on that deeper multi-dimensional, scientific, tactical level like you. How are they going to regret it. What will be their comeuppance?

So this statement is confusing. Are they going to regret that they made Mesmer more powerful or is mesmer dead because Mirage got nerfed.?

Yes, but mirage cloak breaks the design philosophy of the rest of the game. No one else can dodge while attacking or while disabled. So you give up one thing to get something else. "No one else can dodge while attacking" except thief, ele, war, necro. That's completely false. Those classes can just do damage with a dodge roll. Mesmer can cast Confusing Images (or any other attack/skill) while dodging. That's the difference. And again you are showing us that you basically have no clue what you are talking about BTW how is it a comparison to watch one of the best Mesmers in this game right now to play agains part time braindead bots who don’t even know what the skills they use are doin. Did you watch the video or just cherry pick... I feel like you get farmed by Mesmers anyways So Mirages can cast Confusing Images while using Mirage Cloak?Or is that warriors can use Hundred Blades during a dodge roll?I'm confused on where I am wrong on these. I mean, you're right I have no clue what I am talking about so I will stop arguing and ask you to teach me which of those things I am wrong about. @Leonidrex.5649 I'm sorry for arguing with you. You're right this nerf is the wrong way to go about it and I have seen the light. What they should do is what other suggest is get rid of the conditions from scepter/staff clones and condiambush. I mean if we just make condimirage hit like a wet noodle it will make the extra 50 endurance worth it. Oh wait, nevermind that's not it. I mean move the damage from the clones on those things to the mesmer himself. I mean the autoattacks from the clones don't matter to core mesmer or chrono because there are no metabattle builds for them with condi so it doesn't matter how it effects those two. Also if we move the damage from the clones from condiambush to the mesmer I can drop IH and run EM instead for that sweet condicleanse without the expense of losing damage. ANet get this done.

@Leonidrex.5649 @Odik.458700:43 wins vs necro01:57 wins vs spellbreaker)2:50 wins teamfight mid vs. necro & engi03:09 wins vs spellbreaker03:38 wins vs. necro04:21 wins vs. spellbreaker & rezzes reaper05:02 wins w/+1 vs. scrapper05:23 +1's necro to win05:56 wins match, 501-210, tops stats: kills, revives, damageRanked07:37 First match Mirage/Daredevil vs. Necro/Firebrand08:05 talks about winning every match vs. Necro/FB comps when queuing with a Necro09:17 loses first round11:44 loses 2nd round13:25 loses 3rd round and First Match15:03 Second match Mirage/Daredevil vs. Spellbreaker/Tempest17:55 wins first round19:55 wins 2nd round22:25 loses 3rd round27:03 loses 4th round29:29 wins 5th round and Second Match (161 ping)31:43 Third Match Mirage/Daredevil vs. Necro/Soulbeast (high ping)35:05 wins first round38:14 wins 2nd round40:28 loses 3rd round41:42 loses 4th round after game freezing (avg ping 496)44:21 wins 5th round and Third Match That's 2 out of 3 Ranked matches won, the last one with lag that froze the game multiple times and the one loss against what is currently considered the most OP comp in 2v2 and 5 rounds won out of 12. The one match in 5v5 was won with top stats in damage and kills. Did you watch the video or just cherry pick parts that supported your confirmation bias?

Yes, but mirage cloak breaks the design philosophy of the rest of the game. No one else can dodge while attacking or while disabled. So you give up one thing to get something else. "No one else can dodge while attacking" except thief, ele, war, necro.That's completely false. Those classes can just do damage with a dodge roll. Mesmer can cast Confusing Images (or any other attack/skill) while dodging. That's the difference.

That's what gutting means. Does it? Mind linking me a definition of "gut" that means taking something from one place and moving it elsewhere? You know, as opposed to simply removing it? To use your own response to Bravan above: ‾_(ツ)_/‾Touche. Sure, I don't even need to record it because I am terrible with that stuff anyways. Misha has been running an S/T - A/P build on their stream. I've tried running it a bit myself and it's not that bad. With damage nerfed you're not near as in danger as the doomsayers like to make it out to be. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/558282270

Even with all of that how does that absolve you of the stupidity of attacking things with retaliation on it?

That's what gutting means. @Aza.2105 don't bother. These guys will say anything and beg for any nerf to anything else just to not lose their precious SpamCloak.

Even if it is more than just a subjective definition it is still a subjective definition. I didn't devalue your categorization, I pointed out how communication works between people but you took it as a personal attack. I even thanked you for the reply and then gave you some advice on how to better communicate your ideas because you have expressed frustration about people not understanding you.