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Yes, let's trait for it and miss out on something which is way more beneficial for the group. Yes, let's do that. Yes.

Or they could have just made the swiftness baseline on the overloads themselves. The entire complaint about the trait is that it didn't feel like a minor trait, because the swiftness could have easily been one of the many baseline overload features. It basically felt like they removed the swiftness from baseline overloads to give it to a minor trait and avoid making a real minor trait. Instead of having swiftness, harmonious conduit should be way more stability oriented, because tempest only has the most common boons in the game and FB has a monopoly on stability. But Anet never want to make the obvious changes that would easily improve the game in the most straightforward way possible. Baseline swiftness on overload? You expect too much of them, my friend. But yes, that should've been the idea from the start.

Yes, I agree.

They really butchered roaming tempest for me, now. Thanks, ArenaNet. It would've been nice if the stability trait was a minor and if they had introduced the new trait in the master column instead, but alas, brain cells among the Elementalist developers are a rarity and these people would rather see our favourite class get nerfed to oblivion than to give it the changes it needs.

Seeing that gw2 has such a low amount of skill choices compared to gw1 is hard to see someone with a different build than you.Do you mean that anyone not using the meta is a Donkey, is that what you mean?Just because someone actually tries the things and not follows a crappy online build guide for sheep to follow like most do, should automatically award an award and a title to that person. Yes

Nice quick maths some people have got going on in here. If you choose anything else other than Elemental Bastion, then what donkey support build are you playing?

Let's hope for a nice balance patch guys(!)

They don't care, so don't waste time writing anything. Take a look at the balance notes. Our class isn't even mentioned. It's shameful and it's pathetic.

Still waiting for information about Elementalist, again.

Still waiting for information on Elementalist.

Big lol I provided heaps of evidence why full heal is better in every way. On top of it antitoxin is getting nerfed in 2 days. Stop spreading miss information based on your feelings. Did you know that the builds and videos on meta battle were from HoT days? And are GVG builds not WvW builds? You posted some pics with mediocre numbers and call it evidence, big lol. What I say is based on facts, not emotions. Perhaps it is you that is caught in your own feelings and won't see the truth for what it is. You so far provided 0 facts and 0 evidence. And Mediocre? I even provided a video of my 12 man out sustaining and running over a 30 man. Anyway enjoy antitoxin then I’m sure it’ll be useful for years to co-... oh wait A video from another (enemy) point of view of you killing pugs that are spread? That doesn't really prove much, to be honest. The denial is REAL. They weren’t JUST pugs. It was TMW and Zerg buster group that couldn’t bust our Zerg....at all not even a dent. Provide evidence and then we can talk until then you have provided nothing. No math, no objective proofs, no images, no videos. Show me that you can cleanse 2x more conditions than your scrappers while being able to sustain more than 10khps and then we can talk about facts. The fight against the other blob didn't even last 20 seconds and I did more than what you have shown. Let’s ignore the fact you blew every cool down in the first 10 seconds of the fight (big lol), and that you do the same amount of cleansing as I did Now provide the HPS. You forget about that part? 18 secs vs your 1 minute pics lol And your 80 man blob vs my 12 man squad. Big joke. Your probably one of those people that use one heal skill and think that you did 60,000 healing in 1 second and be like “oh I do 60k HPS” My friend, I don't care about the amount of healing I do. As long as I have a firebrand and my party is okay, that's all that matters. But you keep doing you and stay salty. It's quite pathetic really. Yep see. 0 evidence. 0 facts. 0 proof. Funny how you blew all your cooldowns btw. If the fight lasted for 15 more seconds you'd be doing about 0 cleansing. See how useful you'll be after patch hits. It's not like I can't swap to Fire Attunement, or make use of Stop, Drop & Roll, or wait a bit till water comes back. Stick to your staff build, mate. You do you, because you don't have a clue what is right and what isn't. Ya reading this is so funny. You do realize that Overload Water cleanses 100 conditions on your build right...and one of your options is to go fire attunement, prolonging the use of Overload Water thinking you're gonna do more cleansing by using Overload Fire and stop drop and roll? Joke:)

Big lol I provided heaps of evidence why full heal is better in every way. On top of it antitoxin is getting nerfed in 2 days. Stop spreading miss information based on your feelings. Did you know that the builds and videos on meta battle were from HoT days? And are GVG builds not WvW builds? You posted some pics with mediocre numbers and call it evidence, big lol. What I say is based on facts, not emotions. Perhaps it is you that is caught in your own feelings and won't see the truth for what it is. You so far provided 0 facts and 0 evidence. And Mediocre? I even provided a video of my 12 man out sustaining and running over a 30 man. Anyway enjoy antitoxin then I’m sure it’ll be useful for years to co-... oh wait A video from another (enemy) point of view of you killing pugs that are spread? That doesn't really prove much, to be honest. The denial is REAL. They weren’t JUST pugs. It was TMW and Zerg buster group that couldn’t bust our Zerg....at all not even a dent. Provide evidence and then we can talk until then you have provided nothing. No math, no objective proofs, no images, no videos. Show me that you can cleanse 2x more conditions than your scrappers while being able to sustain more than 10khps and then we can talk about facts. The fight against the other blob didn't even last 20 seconds and I did more than what you have shown. Let’s ignore the fact you blew every cool down in the first 10 seconds of the fight (big lol), and that you do the same amount of cleansing as I did Now provide the HPS. You forget about that part? 18 secs vs your 1 minute pics lol And your 80 man blob vs my 12 man squad. Big joke. Your probably one of those people that use one heal skill and think that you did 60,000 healing in 1 second and be like “oh I do 60k HPS” My friend, I don't care about the amount of healing I do. As long as I have a firebrand and my party is okay, that's all that matters. But you keep doing you and stay salty. It's quite pathetic really. Yep see. 0 evidence. 0 facts. 0 proof. Funny how you blew all your cooldowns btw. If the fight lasted for 15 more seconds you'd be doing about 0 cleansing. See how useful you'll be after patch hits. It's not like I can't swap to Fire Attunement, or make use of Stop, Drop & Roll, or wait a bit till water comes back. Stick to your staff build, mate. You do you, because you don't have a clue what is right and what isn't.

Big lol I provided heaps of evidence why full heal is better in every way. On top of it antitoxin is getting nerfed in 2 days. Stop spreading miss information based on your feelings. Did you know that the builds and videos on meta battle were from HoT days? And are GVG builds not WvW builds? You posted some pics with mediocre numbers and call it evidence, big lol. What I say is based on facts, not emotions. Perhaps it is you that is caught in your own feelings and won't see the truth for what it is. You so far provided 0 facts and 0 evidence. And Mediocre? I even provided a video of my 12 man out sustaining and running over a 30 man. Anyway enjoy antitoxin then I’m sure it’ll be useful for years to co-... oh wait A video from another (enemy) point of view of you killing pugs that are spread? That doesn't really prove much, to be honest. The denial is REAL. They weren’t JUST pugs. It was TMW and Zerg buster group that couldn’t bust our Zerg....at all not even a dent. Provide evidence and then we can talk until then you have provided nothing. No math, no objective proofs, no images, no videos. Show me that you can cleanse 2x more conditions than your scrappers while being able to sustain more than 10khps and then we can talk about facts. The fight against the other blob didn't even last 20 seconds and I did more than what you have shown. Let’s ignore the fact you blew every cool down in the first 10 seconds of the fight (big lol), and that you do the same amount of cleansing as I did Now provide the HPS. You forget about that part? 18 secs vs your 1 minute pics lol And your 80 man blob vs my 12 man squad. Big joke. Your probably one of those people that use one heal skill and think that you did 60,000 healing in 1 second and be like “oh I do 60k HPS”My friend, I don't care about the amount of healing I do. As long as I have a firebrand and my party is okay, that's all that matters. But you keep doing you and stay salty. It's quite pathetic really.

Big lol I provided heaps of evidence why full heal is better in every way. On top of it antitoxin is getting nerfed in 2 days. Stop spreading miss information based on your feelings. Did you know that the builds and videos on meta battle were from HoT days? And are GVG builds not WvW builds? You posted some pics with mediocre numbers and call it evidence, big lol. What I say is based on facts, not emotions. Perhaps it is you that is caught in your own feelings and won't see the truth for what it is. You so far provided 0 facts and 0 evidence. And Mediocre? I even provided a video of my 12 man out sustaining and running over a 30 man. Anyway enjoy antitoxin then I’m sure it’ll be useful for years to co-... oh wait A video from another (enemy) point of view of you killing pugs that are spread? That doesn't really prove much, to be honest. The denial is REAL. They weren’t JUST pugs. It was TMW and Zerg buster group that couldn’t bust our Zerg....at all not even a dent. Provide evidence and then we can talk until then you have provided nothing. No math, no objective proofs, no images, no videos. Show me that you can cleanse 2x more conditions than your scrappers while being able to sustain more than 10khps and then we can talk about facts. The fight against the other blob didn't even last 20 seconds and I did more than what you have shown. Let’s ignore the fact you blew every cool down in the first 10 seconds of the fight (big lol), and that you do the same amount of cleansing as I did Now provide the HPS. You forget about that part?18 secs vs your 1 minute pics lol

Big lol I provided heaps of evidence why full heal is better in every way. On top of it antitoxin is getting nerfed in 2 days. Stop spreading miss information based on your feelings. Did you know that the builds and videos on meta battle were from HoT days? And are GVG builds not WvW builds? You posted some pics with mediocre numbers and call it evidence, big lol. What I say is based on facts, not emotions. Perhaps it is you that is caught in your own feelings and won't see the truth for what it is. You so far provided 0 facts and 0 evidence. And Mediocre? I even provided a video of my 12 man out sustaining and running over a 30 man. Anyway enjoy antitoxin then I’m sure it’ll be useful for years to co-... oh wait A video from another (enemy) point of view of you killing pugs that are spread? That doesn't really prove much, to be honest. The denial is REAL. They weren’t JUST pugs. It was TMW and Zerg buster group that couldn’t bust our Zerg....at all not even a dent. Provide evidence and then we can talk until then you have provided nothing. No math, no objective proofs, no images, no videos. Show me that you can cleanse 2x more conditions than your scrappers while being able to sustain more than 10khps and then we can talk about facts.The fight against the other blob didn't even last 20 seconds and I did more than what you have shown.

Big lol I provided heaps of evidence why full heal is better in every way. On top of it antitoxin is getting nerfed in 2 days. Stop spreading miss information based on your feelings. Did you know that the builds and videos on meta battle were from HoT days? And are GVG builds not WvW builds? You posted some pics with mediocre numbers and call it evidence, big lol. What I say is based on facts, not emotions. Perhaps it is you that is caught in your own feelings and won't see the truth for what it is. You so far provided 0 facts and 0 evidence. And Mediocre? I even provided a video of my 12 man out sustaining and running over a 30 man. Anyway enjoy antitoxin then I’m sure it’ll be useful for years to co-... oh waitA video from another (enemy) point of view of you killing pugs that are spread? That doesn't really prove much, to be honest.

Big lol I provided heaps of evidence why full heal is better in every way. On top of it antitoxin is getting nerfed in 2 days. Stop spreading miss information based on your feelings. Did you know that the builds and videos on meta battle were from HoT days? And are GVG builds not WvW builds? You posted some pics with mediocre numbers and call it evidence, big lol. What I say is based on facts, not emotions. Perhaps it is you that is caught in your own feelings and won't see the truth for what it is.

Let's make it crystal clear for anyone new reading this: using an aura/cleanse build is the most ideal and practical thing we have at the moment, because going all-out healing with staff and other traits is pretty much overkill, as you would already be in a party with a firebrand that can support and heal, as well. If you went for that approach, you would be providing nothing but pure heals, which wouldn't be needed, whereas the former would provide just that and a constant flow of auras and boons. All in all, a minstrel aura/cleanse build with Antitoxin runes is the best choice at the moment to potentially out-cleanse a scrapper (OP's wish), nothing else. It's possible to do it during the beginning of a fight, but as it prolongs, the scrappers—competent scrappers, mind you—will definitely out-cleanse any tempest. Water Overload is key... the trick is to find the right timing, like using it during a hard push, or in the midst of an enemy bomb.

Just read the discussion between Me and Steki. Steki thinks that his build which focuses on condition cleanse is somehow more effective than BIS Healing. The center-point of my argument is that Overload Water is the strongest cleansing ability on Tempest, so much so that just keeping it off cool down is enough to cleanse properly in a zerg setting, and thus you don't need to spec your ENTIRE build into condition cleanse at the cost of healing. By going Condition cleanse bot (On Minstrels for that matter), you lose so much healing that it just makes no sense when you could be doing the same thing, but be 10x more effective at sustaining your zerg as a BIS Healer. So these pictures are me, constantly topping the cleansing charts by JUST keeping overload water off cool down, while also getting 8k HPS and above by using BIS Healing (which means no anti-toxin runes, no cleansing water, no cleanse buffs at all ever....just pure tempest healing build). Keep in mind that these images barely scratch the true potential I've experienced, When the fights are good, i sustain 15k heals per second or more. I don't know what BIS means. That's the first I've heard of that. Why would you spec into so much healing anyway? With a tempest and a firebrand in the same party, you'd be healing non-stop without fail, so what harm is there in specialising in cleanses? And I'm sorry to say this, but those scrappers don't seem competent at all, because there's no way they would be cleansing for that amount while you're doing more than them. Maybe it's an NA thing, but in EU, our builds are like this for a reason.

I don't get what these pictures are supposed to represent

Can you play with combat timers, please?

@JusticeRetroHunter.7684 you don't waste cleanse skills when the main group is doing nothing aka watching the enemy aka pitateshipping. For me, if I see myself or my party chilled/burned, I will use SDaR. When we go for a pull and bomb, I will use my water skills and maybe the heal--no water overloading. You save that and all the other shouts/auras for the big pushes. Trust me, I know what I'm saying here.

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It's all about timing. You need to use Water Overload during hard pushes and anticipate when the group will need the cleanses, instead of randomly using shouts/skills. Keeping this in mind will definitely out-cleanse scrappers, though not all the time.

Some of those trait choices are a bit strange. For a healing/cleanse build, why would you give up on Unstable Conduit for Gale Song? More auras = more heals = more cleanses. I would choose Pyromancer's Puissance instead of Blinding Ashes for more might, which can be stacked to 25 and shared with allies during a fight using Fire #4. In my opinion, Stop, Drop, and Roll is better than Soothing Ice, because you can cleanse burns and chills in a shorter amount of time, and with Antitoxin runes, you can cleanse one more condition with it. Everything else is cool. That's all I wanted to say.