The Causal Issue For Overpowered Specs

[Dorsai.1458]

What do they call builds that don't scare boons?  PVE nerds call them "selfish" dps.  That is how much PVE is built around boons.  See WvW commander demands for group comp.  It's about boons.  Doesn't matter what freaking class you are ...can you provide this boon or that and keep it up 100%?   Make it easy, devs.  Just delete all classes but guard and elem ...and one quickness herald lol.

[Trevor Boyer.6524]

On 7/11/2023 at 5:04 PM, WhoWantsAHug.3186 said:

Outside of broken ele, the gamestate is great. If ele got deleted tomorrow, gw2 would be the best it's been in years. Boons are fine IMO

 

This is actually true.

In the absence of Ele, the game feels strangely incredibly balanced at the moment.

Too bad we have to miss out on that.

[Aaron.1294]

@Trevor Boyer.6524 except there is soulbeast dealing 7k+ from sword 2 and 3, while also having huge amount of stealth and cc

condizerker, bladesworn and untamed being ridiculous sidenoders still

support tempest still being the best support

So no, not really

Edited July 18, 2023 by Aaron.1294

[aerouant.7408]

5 hours ago, Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

This is actually true.

In the absence of Ele, the game feels strangely incredibly balanced at the moment.

Too bad we have to miss out on that.

Haha, thanks for this post as it perfectly represents how much you understand the game. Is Cata disgustingly OP? Sure it is! Is Ele in general disgustingly OP? Certainly not. I mean look at ranger and warrior, both profession provide two elite specs, that are definitely overperforming. But that’s none of your business, partly at least, as you are a ranger main. 

games perfectly balanced beside ele. Lol.

[Trevor Boyer.6524]

2 hours ago, Aaron.1294 said:

@Trevor Boyer.6524 except there is soulbeast dealing 7k+ from sword 2 and 3, while also having huge amount of stealth and cc

condizerker, bladesworn and untamed being ridiculous sidenoders still

support tempest still being the best support

So no, not really

Swordside Soulbeast has 1x evade, both Sword 2 and 3 are clunky elongated telegraphs that not only are easy to see and avoid and NOT effected by Quickness because they are mobility skills, but also have serious targeting problems on elevation increases and declines. If they bring Dagger offhand they deal no damage while running a power build, and if they bring Warhorn the birds are easier to avoid than a LB4 into a LB2 Rapid Fire in a Barrage. If they bring LB with the Sword, they won't have enough defensive play to survive at all while on glass cannon, and if they bring Greatsword then they have no real ranged to secure kills on you or to open with pressure while approaching. On top of all of this, they have amongst the absolutely worst, possibly the actual worst condi cleanse in the game for a pvp build. Lay condi pressure on it and it dies in like 10 seconds. In fact, it's so glassy that if you lay any pressure on it at all, it immediately has to cycle defense and kite and it won't be able to damage you because it has no real ranged while kiting. A Tool Holo, a Bladesworn, a Willbender, a Burst Chrono, ect ect, all of these things are more oppressive than a one-hand Sword Soulbeast and deal a lot more damage.

Sword Soulbeast is bad. Traditional LB/GS is still better for every reason offensively and defensively. If you are getting cleared by a Sword Soulbeast, it's a l2p issue.

1 hour ago, asket.5674 said:

Haha, thanks for this post as it perfectly represents how much you understand the game. Is Cata disgustingly OP? Sure it is! Is Ele in general disgustingly OP? Certainly not. I mean look at ranger and warrior, both profession provide two elite specs, that are definitely overperforming. But that’s none of your business, partly at least, as you are a ranger main. 

games perfectly balanced beside ele. Lol.

Enough with the reverse distraction gaslighting bologna.

A few facts for you:

1. Scepter 1 godly condi might stack spam, Written In Stone, Auras in general, massive Stability output, these are all CORE ELE, along with every other immensely large buff that has been given to CORE ELE. About 75% of what makes Catalyst/Weaver/Tempest so strong right now, is all coming from CORE ELE.
2. If we were to run a core class only tournament, the only class that would be viable is CORE ELE. Everyone would run CORE ELE for obvious reasons. Core Ele is so far ahead of other core classes at this point, you cannot deny that it is not only super bloated, but it is the foundation of what makes other Ele specs super bloated. Like you'd see 9 out of 10 participants in a core tournament as Core Ele, and then the 10th would be a brave Core Warrior. No other core specs would be able to deal with Core Ele.

Nothing in Ranger is overperforming. It is on par with other specializations give or take a few outliers. Here is how Ranger plays right now:

1. Spellbreaker > Ranger Condis ---- Spellbreaker = Ranger Power
2. Bladesworn > everything Ranger
3. DH = Ranger Condis ---- DH < Ranger Power
4. Willbender < strangely countered by Ranger Condi ---- Willbender = Ranger Power
5. Power Herald < Ranger Condi ---- Condi Herald > everything Ranger
6. Vindicator = everything Ranger
7. Tool Holo >> crazy hard counter to everything Ranger
8. Scrapper = Rangers
9. Deadeye = Ranger specs now after recent DE buffs
10. Other Thief Specs < everything Ranger
11. Mesmer specs = Rangers, but the Ranger has to kite an LOS all over the place to keep this equal
12. Condi Reaper < Ranger Power ---- Condi Reaper > Ranger Condis
13. Other Necro Specs < everything Ranger
14. Everything Ele >>> everything Ranger

This is what a balanced skew should look like my dude ^

 

[aerouant.7408]

1 hour ago, Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

Swordside Soulbeast has 1x evade, both Sword 2 and 3 are clunky elongated telegraphs that not only are easy to see and avoid and NOT effected by Quickness because they are mobility skills, but also have serious targeting problems on elevation increases and declines. If they bring Dagger offhand they deal no damage while running a power build, and if they bring Warhorn the birds are easier to avoid than a LB4 into a LB2 Rapid Fire in a Barrage. If they bring LB with the Sword, they won't have enough defensive play to survive at all while on glass cannon, and if they bring Greatsword then they have no real ranged to secure kills on you or to open with pressure while approaching. On top of all of this, they have amongst the absolutely worst, possibly the actual worst condi cleanse in the game for a pvp build. Lay condi pressure on it and it dies in like 10 seconds. In fact, it's so glassy that if you lay any pressure on it at all, it immediately has to cycle defense and kite and it won't be able to damage you because it has no real ranged while kiting. A Tool Holo, a Bladesworn, a Willbender, a Burst Chrono, ect ect, all of these things are more oppressive than a one-hand Sword Soulbeast and deal a lot more damage.

Sword Soulbeast is bad. Traditional LB/GS is still better for every reason offensively and defensively. If you are getting cleared by a Sword Soulbeast, it's a l2p issue.

Enough with the reverse distraction gaslighting bologna.

A few facts for you:

1. Scepter 1 godly condi might stack spam, Written In Stone, Auras in general, massive Stability output, these are all CORE ELE, along with every other immensely large buff that has been given to CORE ELE. About 75% of what makes Catalyst/Weaver/Tempest so strong right now, is all coming from CORE ELE.
2. If we were to run a core class only tournament, the only class that would be viable is CORE ELE. Everyone would run CORE ELE for obvious reasons. Core Ele is so far ahead of other core classes at this point, you cannot deny that it is not only super bloated, but it is the foundation of what makes other Ele specs super bloated. Like you'd see 9 out of 10 participants in a core tournament as Core Ele, and then the 10th would be a brave Core Warrior. No other core specs would be able to deal with Core Ele.

Nothing in Ranger is overperforming. It is on par with other specializations give or take a few outliers. Here is how Ranger plays right now:

1. Spellbreaker > Ranger Condis ---- Spellbreaker = Ranger Power
2. Bladesworn > everything Ranger
3. DH = Ranger Condis ---- DH < Ranger Power
4. Willbender < strangely countered by Ranger Condi ---- Willbender = Ranger Power
5. Power Herald < Ranger Condi ---- Condi Herald > everything Ranger
6. Vindicator = everything Ranger
7. Tool Holo >> crazy hard counter to everything Ranger
8. Scrapper = Rangers
9. Deadeye = Ranger specs now after recent DE buffs
10. Other Thief Specs < everything Ranger
11. Mesmer specs = Rangers, but the Ranger has to kite an LOS all over the place to keep this equal
12. Condi Reaper < Ranger Power ---- Condi Reaper > Ranger Condis
13. Other Necro Specs < everything Ranger
14. Everything Ele >>> everything Ranger

This is what a balanced skew should look like my dude ^

 

Haha, man outside of cata there are no problems with ele, tempest might be a tad overperforming compared to other supps, but by far not as  gamebreaking as cata. 
 

Nothing in ranger is overperforming- hahah man you are so biased -soulcheese and untamed are classic facerolls. But as its your main its okay i guess. The hypocrisy is real.

[Trevor Boyer.6524]

1 hour ago, asket.5674 said:

Haha, man outside of cata there are no problems with ele, tempest might be a tad overperforming compared to other supps, but by far not as  gamebreaking as cata. 
 

Nothing in ranger is overperforming- hahah man you are so biased -soulcheese and untamed are classic facerolls. But as its your main its okay i guess. The hypocrisy is real.

OK DUDE

Let's see what the class representation is in the MAT here in a few days.

Obviously we're going to see teams of 5x ranger stack because it's so OP that it's worth bringing up and complaining about in an Ele thread.

Edited July 18, 2023 by Trevor Boyer.6524

[aerouant.7408]

24 minutes ago, Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

OK DUDE

Let's see what the class representation is in the MAT here in a few days.

Obviously we're going to see teams of 5x ranger stack because it's so OP that it's worth bringing up and complaining about in an Ele thread.

Dude sure, cata is most op right now, but when cata is getting nerf stomped, its not weaver and tempest getting on its spot. It will be ranger and/or warr. You will see.

[Essence Snow.3194]

1 hour ago, asket.5674 said:

Dude sure, cata is most op right now, but when cata is getting nerf stomped, its not weaver and tempest getting on its spot. It will be ranger and/or warr. You will see.

Idk if it's getting "nerf stomped". They let it cause fairly significant damage to PvP and WvW to a lesser extent. That shows to us they really don't care or even worse they don't pay enough attention.

[JusticeRetroHunter.7684]

On 7/11/2023 at 8:04 PM, Leonidrex.5649 said:

most quickness/alac has been nerfed so hard it doesnt really exist anymore thats why.
there used to be sigil giving quickness on weapon swap and it was omegabusted and got removed for that vey reason

Bro it was like 1s  of quickness it was not busted.
 

Just pro cmc nerf and remove everything philosophy in action.

[Dreams.3128]

9 hours ago, asket.5674 said:

Nothing in ranger is overperforming- hahah man you are so biased -soulcheese and untamed are classic facerolls. But as its your main its okay i guess. The hypocrisy is real.

He must have forgot when SB was running around basically sniping people to zero and when Untamed was tele-bombing for fun. Boyce had a whole kitten stream climbing with Untamed several times. Cata is cracked, but I guarantee you if we didn't have Cata the way it is now people would default to Ranger, because literally for g1 all the up until maybe the star of p2 I saw at least one or two rangers on either team. Ranger ain't weak, it has a very strong foundation via core skills, traits, and weapons. 

Warrior, Ranger, or Necro are always classic defaults for people because (most of the time) they have strong core classes. The fact he had something to say when it came to Mesmer, Rev, and Engie but NEVER Ranger when it was at its strongest really really makes you think about these theory papers he always seem to write.

[Leonidrex.5649]

2 hours ago, JusticeRetroHunter.7684 said:

Bro it was like 1s  of quickness it was not busted.
 

Just pro cmc nerf and remove everything philosophy in action.

it was busted, a lot of builds abused this kitten to get massive burst skills so fast you couldnt react to the. it wasnt uncommon for rev to port to you, swap weapons and burst you down for 20k in that 1s with skills that have no cooldown, arcing slice with 0.3-4s cast time that does 15k etc

[aerouant.7408]

56 minutes ago, Dreams.3128 said:

He must have forgot when SB was running around basically sniping people to zero and when Untamed was tele-bombing for fun. Boyce had a whole kitten stream climbing with Untamed several times. Cata is cracked, but I guarantee you if we didn't have Cata the way it is now people would default to Ranger, because literally for g1 all the up until maybe the star of p2 I saw at least one or two rangers on either team. Ranger ain't weak, it has a very strong foundation via core skills, traits, and weapons. 

Warrior, Ranger, or Necro are always classic defaults for people because (most of the time) they have strong core classes. The fact he had something to say when it came to Mesmer, Rev, and Engie but NEVER Ranger when it was at its strongest really really makes you think about these theory papers he always seem to write.

Dude is living in his casual NA bubble where golds get on the leaderboard