Drizzlewood human settlements

[Zapgrind.2197]

I wonder who ever lived out there so far away from human kingdoms. Or are Woodland Cascades part of Kryta? Or some another nation? Or just independent settlers fed up with the kingdoms?

[Araun.1638]

I would say we could have get the answer to this question and the others (hello to the centaurs in the Icebrood Saga trailer) if they wouldn't meet the decision to shorten IBS in favour of EoD.

Unfotunately I can not offer anything more than pure speculations.

[SoftFootpaws.9134]

spoilers for heart of thorns, living world season 3 and secrets of the obscure

the woodland cascades are part of kryta, and also contain the bastion of the penitent, also known as raid wing four.

 

its confirmed in secrets of the obscure that the pact commander defeated deimos in lore, which means the pact has been active in the cascades for half a decade, and on top of what happened in hirathi hinterlands and lake doric, its no wonder the centaur storyline was scrapped as there just wasn't much meat to it anymore.

 

i think the most we could hope for is to see the centaur homelands and it probably wouldn't even be that hostile at this point.

 

as for why humans were there, well humans were once spread across the entire world and i imagine many of these settlements still remain (or did, until recently). we even know that there's likely still another human civilisation out in the far west of central tyria called sunrise crest.

 

its important to remember that the elder dragons were only active around central tyria itself, likely because of the bloodstones, so from what we know its actually the immediate area around lion's arch which has been ravaged the most by their existence. the rest of the world is probably largely unscathed aside from the side effects on the entire planet such as excess ley energy and a brief global void uprising during end of dragons.

Edited February 14 by SoftFootpaws.9134

[Zapgrind.2197]

35 minutes ago, SoftFootpaws.9134 said:

spoilers for heart of thorns, living world season 3 and secrets of the obscure

I see, thanks. Gotta love the idea of a awesome massive forest and blank spots mean there's plenty of space for homebrew.

Also, is there some more info about those western guys?

[Kalavier.1097]

8 hours ago, SoftFootpaws.9134 said:

its confirmed in secrets of the obscure that the pact commander defeated deimos in lore, which means the pact has been active in the cascades for half a decade, and on top of what happened in hirathi hinterlands and lake doric, its no wonder the centaur storyline was scrapped as there just wasn't much meat to it anymore.

Raid storyline/regular storyline are split. If you did the raid the commander gets credit for it. Even then, the Bastion was only revealed by portal, not traditional travel means IIRC. The Pact wasn't involved in that chapter, just the Priory and there was no presence.

There were human/norn settlements in that area, along with Tengu, but not a huge number.

[Konig Des Todes.2086]

12 hours ago, Zapgrind.2197 said:

I wonder who ever lived out there so far away from human kingdoms. Or are Woodland Cascades part of Kryta? Or some another nation? Or just independent settlers fed up with the kingdoms?

Krytan settlements are quite widespread, there was a Krytan outpost called Tarnished Haven not far from where the Pale Tree is back in GW1; while we have structures in northern Sparkfly Fen too, both destroyed by Zhaitan's rise that forced Kryta further north.

The Drizzlewood outposts were Krytan, and I think this is mentioned in one of the collection achievements in the map.

11 hours ago, SoftFootpaws.9134 said:

spoilers for heart of thorns, living world season 3 and secrets of the obscure

the woodland cascades are part of kryta, and also contain the bastion of the penitent, also known as raid wing four.

It wouldn't be accurate to say all of Woodland Cascades are of Kryta though. Bastion of the Penitent has zero relation to Kryta or humans, for example. It was created by the Wizard's Court and captured by the mursaat before being abandoned and lost for 250 years, only the prisoners and automated magical functions within still around.

11 hours ago, SoftFootpaws.9134 said:

its confirmed in secrets of the obscure that the pact commander defeated deimos in lore, which means the pact has been active in the cascades for half a decade, and on top of what happened in hirathi hinterlands and lake doric, its no wonder the centaur storyline was scrapped as there just wasn't much meat to it anymore.

Not quite. The Commander and Glenna reached the Bastion of the Penitent through a portal in Bloodstone Fen. Even if Priory forces went there, they would have likely gone via portal or airship and thus control zero territory around it.

There was meat to the centaur storyline - it was scrapped because they had to severely simplify the second half of IBS as it got changed into Champions, which included removing the two planned maps. Rather, it was scrapped because it had meat to it, and ArenaNet wanted to save it for later than have it be a bare bones subplot like those elements of each DRM. It had enough to it scoped out that cramming it into one DRM wouldn't have told the storyline well. Given what we know and can piece together, the centaur storyline would have occurred in a new map over two episodes, more likely than not - and to be clear, Harathi Hinterlands and Lake Doric are not the centaur homelands left to them, those remain further north of those maps, probably located between Bastion of the Penitent and Drizzlewood.

2 hours ago, Kalavier.1097 said:

Raid storyline/regular storyline are split. If you did the raid the commander gets credit for it.

Nope. There is a statue in the story step Tower of Secrets which credits the Commander for killing Deimos and Samarog regardless of your account's progress through the raid.

[Kalavier.1097]

1 hour ago, Konig Des Todes.2086 said:

Nope. There is a statue in the story step Tower of Secrets which credits the Commander for killing Deimos and Samarog regardless of your account's progress through the raid.

That doesn't mean all of the raids were done by the Commander, as they have previously stated the story events happen, but maybe not by the commander.

[SoftFootpaws.9134]

56 minutes ago, Kalavier.1097 said:

That doesn't mean all of the raids were done by the Commander, as they have previously stated the story events happen, but maybe not by the commander.

i think during bloodstone fen its also confirmed the pact commander cleared spirit vale if you talk to the people near the blood ruby vendor? the white mantle and mursaat storyline conclusions in living world were also loose continuations of these raid stories.

 

i feel like everything points to the pact commander having cleared raid wings 1-4, although 5-7 are much more ambiguous.

Edited February 15 by SoftFootpaws.9134

[Konig Des Todes.2086]

1 hour ago, Kalavier.1097 said:

That doesn't mean all of the raids were done by the Commander, as they have previously stated the story events happen, but maybe not by the commander.

The original comment you were responding to was specifically talking about Bastion of the Penitent, not all raids. That said, I would disagree, on three points.

1. The aforementioned statue, confirming that the Commander was a raider for Bastion of the Penitent.
2. Spirit Vale begins with you searching for a Pact squad, was released with a letter to Pact forces, with an implication of you as a superior to Squad Leader Falgeir.
3. Every subsequent raid is done by the same group of raiders who are familiar with Glenna.

So the 10 raiders of Forsaken Thicket are the same 10 raiders of Bastion are the same 10 raiders of Hall of Chains are the same 10 raiders of Mythwright Gambit.

And among these 10 raiders includes the Pact Commander.

It's clear that, like the dungeon explorable mode, they intended to initially keep it separate from the main storyline and leave it ambiguous as to whether the Commander was involved, leaving it as a "if you did it then the Commander was involved" scenario, but with SotO seems solid canon that the Commander was involved.