FB/Scourge Combo - What to target first?

[mrauls.6519]

When facing a fb/scourge combo, what is the best target to pick?

[Ten.2617]

Other point.

[bLind.6278]

Only failproof way to go is as follows:

1. Escape
2. Exit Game
3. Win

[SlippyCheeze.5483]

@"mrauls.6519" said:When facing a fb/scourge combo, what is the best target to pick?

On a power build, scourge is almost certainly the best choice. Barriers are the most painful healing you will face, since they don't get wasted on cap. On a condition build, you will be hard pressed regardless of which way you take things, because they will move conditions away like nothing else.

[reikken.4961]

I haven't hit up pvp in like 3 months, but last time I checked the firebrand was usually the one to focus down. The scourge has both the firebrand's heals/stunbreaks and its own, and barrier. And a CC'd firebrand isn't throwing tome pages, while a CC'd scourge still gets those firebrand heals.

But of course, if you can separate them, then by all means, nuke that scourge.

edit: this is if it's curses scourge. If it's blood (which wasn't meta last I played) then you gotta kill the scourge or it'll just revive anyone who downs.

[Crab Fear.1624]

this is a trick question. mrauls knows the answer

[Abazigal.3679]

When facing scourge/fb, the best option is to ignore mid point and play sides, especially if you do not have a FB. On average games, it's very likely either the fb or the scourge will stay on mid point for a while, so the match will get 4v5 on sides.

That being said, the tricky question is : what to do when opponents do have 2 scourges 2 mesmers and a firebrand ? It's much more complicated with a crap setup.

[Caine.8204]

just Target someone. The only reason one of them shouldn’t die when being focused is if your team isn’t choosing a target.

[Crius.5487]

The thing about focusing the scourge first is will you be able to prevent the firebrand from doing a hard rez? If the firebrand is spec'd into Protector's Impact and has Merciful Intervention off cool down you probably won't be able to get a stomp off in time. So you manage to single down the scourge but then he's quickly back to full health and your burst skills are on cool down. Your condi cleanse skills are probably on cool down too because you were just fighting a scourge. Then what are you going to do?

It doesn't take a 50 man raid to kill a firebrand anymore since the removal of the magi amulet and the down scaling of healing power. If the firebrand isn't dying it's because he's not being focused.

[SPESHAL.9106]

It's hard, but not as hard as most people think. A Scourge will die really fast when focused, so it's a simple equation. You have to use just as much coordination pulling the two apart as they are at staying together. This is where CC and pulls sometimes play a bigger role than just bursting damage.

Each situation is different, but one possible route is to cc/boon corrupt the guardian and pull the necro out of range of guardian. Several classes have pulls now including other necros/pets/etc. If they are really good/coordinated in staying together, it won't be easy. However, the more you make them work on positioning and staying together...the more you distract them from just free casting their standard rotation of damage/heals on the node.

If you don't have pulls, moa, cc...each profession has AOE options that at least punish them for staying together in a tight spot.

Neither profession/build is good at anything else other than standing on the node together, so you can't expect it to be easy or successful no matter what build/profession you use. In many cases, you should just ignore them, but if you have better coordination than them, you can definitely exploit the glassy nature of the Scourge by getting the two separated. It just takes an instance.

[Arcaedus.7290]

If you're playing DH I recommend the scourge. Pulling the scourge off point can be deadly for them and force them to burn a lot of sustain. You're not going to be pulling FB off point with that ridiculous stab uptime/plenty of stun breakers and sustain.

[xp eke xp.6724]

A good way is to force cds from both and focus first if you want to hold the breakpoint for one of those => means the trashdmg from sidehits is stronger than the defense it has at that fight.

On guard u can force book 3 with much multi hits and high burst, if you can burst a second time after the f3 runs out or before he use it he will reach his breakpoint. Same for condi burst, but here he has f2 you try to force out and after that he has only 1 strong cleanse with over 20 sec cd for his team.

At all fb has only a few weaknesses and the scourge fix most of them with eg barrier, a cleanse for 2-3 condis to cover the cleaning uptime nearly perfect, pressure on potential booncontroller.

Otherwise scourge is most weak to seperation, so he need to stay close to fb.

At all fb is weak to:

• high burst (power and condi)
• booncontroll (like winds of Disenchantment, null field, and other aoe corrupts)
• choking gas, cause its aoe poison and unblock trigger aegis without the heal

Scorge with fb support is weak to:

• pulls and knockback to seperate
• high powerburst
• condi back on other teammates
• hard ccs with strong stability break ( strong enough to break the 1-2 stacks from guard)

And all teamcombs are weak to strong power stealthbursts as duo or higher fokus. :pEven with passives after the second stealthburst it's over.

[dragonkain.3984]

Firebrand, otherwise he'll keep nearly insta reviving scourge.Seen this too many times.It's much easier to stop scourge from reviving someone.