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lol sure...

Play the op class of the moment, the rest is window dressing.

Or is its default state going to be "it sucks".

Since there is been soooooo much feedback, it would be nice some post here and there, that explain your conclusions and determinations given the feedback you are getting. It would help players feel that they are not just screaming into the wind. That their feedback is being taken into account.

If past behavior predicts future performance....

Terrible, needs a major overhaul if not a complete redesign.

Wow, im starting to believe, you actually dont get it....

Lol, thats ok, you still dont get it Try condition damage core warrior and see how it goes...

That's ok, go play some party buffing Core Revenant and see if you get it yet...

Not surprised you dont get it. Go play some healer core ranger and see if you get it then...

No... Its a approaching its end because it does not do what THE CONSUMER BASE wants, which was kind of the point of this argument...

How about Steam numbers? or what you did not feel that great influx of players when they finally jumped on the most used digital distribution platform on the planet? dont worry, me neither wonder why that might be....

Right, let me just go ahead and jump on my core necro healer, oh wait...

Might want to check those numbers my dude, they are closer to shutting down than becoming the "wow killer" which was their original aim.

If you follow the feedback the overwhelming majority of the feedback can be summed up as: 1- Flavor is Ok (some care and like it, most just dont care about it). 2- Performance is TERRIBLE. 3- Usability/Flow is TERRIBLE. So at this point in time, is a deep redesign on the table as a possibility or are just looking at some numbers adjustments here and there?. Because the former might save the Elite, but the Later will likely render it DOA.

May be it should be the other way around and developers listen to what customers want?.

You are just plain wrong, Zerker was condition dsp, Spellbreaker was dueling specialist before they gutted it, Scrapper was tank/melee, Chrono was party buffer, Scourge was party support, Reaper was melee physical multi target, Druid was party support, and the list goes on and on and on. Elites bring something the clases dont already have, be it stats application aka condition oriented elite on a physical oriented class also known as Zerker in warrior, or utility the class did not provide before aka party healing as Scourge. This elite, brings nothing to the table. And this will remain true even if they fix the performance issues.

Saving Bladesworn All my fears from the demo were not only confirmed but new issues have been brought to the table. There is a laundry list of things that need fixing so... PVE The entire elite can be condensed in 1 word, "Why"?. The spec it self can not do more damage than other specs, otherwise it is direct power creep. Thus you only get another option, doing something different. Does this do something different?, is it a better healer?, is it a better buffer?, does it offer viable builds for say Celestial builds?. The answer to all this questions is NO. So for starters i would suggest you scrap ALL traits, and add functionality through them. 1-Suggested options to be made available through traits: -Make ALL explosions Cause conditions. -ADD party buffing on ammo spent, all ammo spent, ammo reload. Different triggers for different effects. -ADD party buffing on F2 ammo charge/discharge. 2-Weapon restriction needs to go. This comes back to again the original question "why"? why would i kitten my self with a forced weapon, which makes it awkward to use, since it is not just weapon swaping and you need to go into to it to then use F2. Why would i make things more complicated for my self, since this add essentially nothing i cant do with just wielding 2 axes. Suggestion, get rid of weapon restriction, remove regular burst and add gunblade as a "kit", always available and no weapon swaping CD restrictions, just like an always on kit. 3-Gunblade skills suck, period end, they offer nothing over Sword or Axe and the CDs are insane. Make pve CDs same as PVP ones. Add utility, if this is a special weapon, then it needs to have it all, spike, interrupt, cap closer and disable. Find a way to make it work. 4-Flow, cap it to 30, 100 is unrealistic PVP/WVW 1-Gunblade damage is Risible 2-F2 damage is Risible 3-No sustain with out pistol 4-Rooting on F2 is a non starter. 5-All the same questions about utility and "why"? apply doubly so, on pve damage is on par, on pvp/wvw you dont even have that to justify the elite. 6-Gunblade 10 times more awkward against real live human opponents. -Utilities and Elites. You need to SCRAP ALL OF THEM. -The elite swings from extremely powerful to incredibly useless and you are forced to take it. Reduce cooldowns scrap the elite and add something else. -Utilities are just not impactfull neither on pvp or pve.

Saving Bladesworn All my fears from the demo were not only confirmed but new issues have been brought to the table. There is a laundry list of things that need fixing so... PVE The entire elite can be condensed in 1 word, "Why"?. The spec it self can not do more damage than other specs, otherwise it is direct power creep. Thus you only get another option, doing something different. Does this do something different?, is it a better healer?, is it a better buffer?, does it offer viable builds for say Celestial builds?. The answer to all this questions is NO. So for starters i would suggest you scrap ALL traits, and add functionality through them. 1-Suggested options to be made available through traits: -Make ALL explosions Cause conditions. -ADD party buffing on ammo spent, all ammo spent, ammo reload. Different triggers for different effects. -ADD party buffing on F2 ammo charge/discharge. 2-Weapon restriction needs to go. This comes back to again the original question "why"? why would i kitten my self with a forced weapon, which makes it awkward to use, since it is not just weapon swaping and you need to go into to it to then use F2. Why would i make things more complicated for my self, since this add essentially nothing i cant do with just wielding 2 axes. Suggestion, get rid of weapon restriction, remove regular burst and add gunblade as a "kit", always available and no weapon swaping CD restrictions, just like an always on kit. 3-Gunblade skills suck, period end, they offer nothing over Sword or Axe and the CDs are insane. Make pve CDs same as PVP ones. Add utility, if this is a special weapon, then it needs to have it all, spike, interrupt, cap closer and disable. Find a way to make it work. 4-Flow, cap it to 30, 100 is unrealistic PVP/WVW 1-Gunblade damage is Risible 2-F2 damage is Risible 3-No sustain with out pistol 4-Rooting on F2 is a non starter. 5-All the same questions about utility and "why"? apply doubly so, on pve damage is on par, on pvp/wvw you dont even have that to justify the elite. 6-Gunblade 10 times more awkward against real live human opponents. -Utilities and Elites. You need to SCRAP ALL OF THEM. -The elite swings from extremely powerful to incredibly useless and you are forced to take it. Reduce cooldowns scrap the elite and add something else. -Utilities are just not impactfull neither on pvp or pve.

It was tuned up, it was put where it is now very deliberately

That makes it the "best warrior build" and not a "GOOD PVP BUILD", even the most trash tier elite spec will have one of the former, but not necessarily one of the later, warrior is definetly the second case.

This Elite is a NON STARTER in WvW and SPvP.

Lol, all my fears confirmed. 1-No sustain 2-too long kitten cds 3-Burst deals kitten damage (wvw/pvp) and it is ridiculous to consider you will be able to channel rooted long enough to matter. 4-Incredible akward to only have burst on an "off kit" like the gunblade.

Because soulbeast was completely broken in wvw at least and in reality it still is.

Wow, spell breaker A tier? really? it has no damage, no sustain, no access to celestial builds, no healing. The only playable thing it can do is a PS/SHout build for zerging in wvw, everywhere else its terrible, how does that amount to the elite spec being A tier?.