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When I finished the latest expansion I stopped playing the game, once I have done the content I had no incentive to play because of the reward structure that is in the game. So for me I only play the game for the new story content. In short anything interesting to come back to play the game?

Can't disagree this should have been the BIG finale, a lot of players are very disappointed that after 4-5 years we get this skeleton....I was kinda shocked to hear that Anet already announced the 4th expansion when EOD released, now I understand why after I played EOD. Anet knew EOD would not cut it because expectations where HIGH and they simply did not deliver. So by announcing the 4th expansion that early is a sign towards the player base that GW2 is still alive and being worked on.. I only ask myself for how long....Lets hope they fix EOD and give us a real expansion next time!.

Regarding the above. Its a good thing that older content is somehow still relevant to invest time to play it, but the new content should be way way more relevant to get involved into vs older content and that seems not the case for EOD because the rewards are just bad, that means players won't be that interested replaying that part of the content because it has nothing meaningful to offer once you done the story and have unlocked you new elite-spec. I mean the new shiny thing like a expansion that we have waited for 4-5 years should have been a BANGER but it is not sadly.

The lack of knowledge part...well to be honest it is just INSANE how much currencies there are in game that can be traded at different vendors. It is just too much and people just lose track what is what and how to make use of it the best way to make gold. So google is your best friend and youtubers and streamers to learn from, but should it be that way?

This 100% 'Anet seems determined to kill off and LFG is crucial for increasing the chances a run will succeed but the game never actually tells players about the LFG or how to use it.' . Even I that came back to the game after several years needed to learn from a Gw2 streamer how the LFG system is used and how it is used the right way. When you look into LFG you can clearly tell by the amounts that are listed that only a handful of players know that it exists.

Agree 100% with you, open world content should be for the casual player as intended and raids/strikes/fractals for those that want some challenge. How often I hear GW2 is a casual game for those that want to have fun with the limited time investment that they have to play the game, well EOD is not that content because it is simply bad. Shilling for Anet must stop, we deserve more from them...I don't know what feedback the Dev's are actually considering the right feedback to improve the content.. But as it stands now they seem blinded somehow...

It is actually sad that Cantha has nothing for players that really want to invest time to get some good rewards. As 'Mighty Teapot' mentioned a lot of times 'the time investment is not worth it because the rewards simply suck'. So why even bother after people done the story and got the new elite spec? So what are the Dev's doing now to get players back into the new expansion I ask myself...I mean it is pathetic to be honest, we just got a new expansion after what 4-5years? And we get skeleton content + rewards....

Question, is it true that the meta takes 2h to finish?

I have not yet attempted the EOD meta because I hear and read about the fail rate, the time investment that is needed with a bigger chance to fail is not worth doing it atm till it gets fixed. Also the rewards for doing that meta are bad some say what makes it even more a fail to even try to do it.

OP is 100% right, Anet needs to add a free mount for new players from level 1, if they don't do that new players will quit the game at some point before they even get to POF, simply because they will get very annoyed playing a walking simulator. Now I know some die hards in the GW2 community will give a lot examples why Gw2 never must change and so on...Well just keep in mind the potential growth that Anet will miss out if they make the path to max level for new players unnesserry harder. MMO's must evolve and adjust over time, GW2 has been stuck in the past for to long, there bust be some change at least for new players if GW2 wants to be somehow relevant and Steam is a very good chance to make GW2 relevant for new or current MMO players that play other MMO's. GW2 is a niche game but NCSOFT cares only about profit and atm profit for GW2 is very very low, that's why they are going to steam and if they f this up the 4th expansion could vey likely the last one. So in short CHANGE is badly needed to attract new players and keep them.

The thing is GW2 has never been a casual game, but still most of the forum posters here bag to differ. My own view: - GW2 has never been a casual game because a lot of research needs to be done outside the game on 3th party sites. - In game systems are never explained in a clear manner. - Gearing, stats, Upgrade slots and infusion slots are never explained in a clear manner how they work and what they do to understand it. Meaning most of the GW2 new players and I also think some current players still have no clue and run with empty slots. And the forum posters don't want a simple gear progression that is easy to understand, but instead you have this current system that is complicated and players can be LVL Asian if he understands it v.s players that don't. The result is that the gap is very huge between players and I'm not even talking about player skill level. - Builds are hard to understand, what build do I need if I use gear type X? - How do I know that I use the wrong sigils with my gear? - Mystic forge how does it work?, no list of in game item combinations that craft item X.

I did not know they don't update the gem store with new items. So it is just the stuff they already made years ago that they keep cycling in the gemstore?

SO if the 20,000krw line was there before 2014 the only increase in profit that NcSoft made with GW2 was when the layoffs happened in 2019. That is a very BAD sign...Furthermore if the revenue stays at 20k and NcSoft is not satisfied with the revenue, they could layoff even more gw2 dev's that would mean a skeleton dev crew will be left working on GW2, that would translate to no new content, players would quit the game and the game will slowly die... Lets hope the steam release will boost the revenue for GW2 else it could be a disaster and the start of the end for GW2 this time around.

Seems very low for GW2, Lets hope the development of 4th expansion won't be affected if revenue for GW2 keeps dropping. Only time will tell but it is dangerously low. And overal just look at the mobile vs pc revenue, mobile is crushing it.....lets hope NCSOFT won't wake up one day having a bad day sack the PC department totally to shift all those dev's towards mobile games because of profit.

Yeah I just checked the steam page of GW2 and forums...man it is the wild wild west over there...

Wow I did not know it is that bad..and yes this is a big issue because the first thing new players that are interested will check is the GW2 page and forums on steam...If it is neglected by Arenanet information and moderation wise..it will paint a bad impression for new players...Also marketing wise Anet is doing bare minimum to promote the game that has been obvious for several years, that is a shame...Lets hope they can clean up the mess on steam at least before it is to late.

Revenue that's why. Also I think before they do a steam release there must be major changes to the game for new players else the game will be badly received on steam. They only will get 1 shot on steam and the first impression is only what matters, I'm very curious what will happen because atm if it goes live on steam like it is now it has no chance.

Agree 100%.

I guess it is a personal taste, but having the same gear forever seems not really fun to me. It is like driving a 1980 VW Golf forever instead of a newer version that has more advanced features and drivercomfort. Now you can say 'The 1980 VW Golf still drives, right?' yes it does but it just feels old and that is how I feel about the forever having the same gear in GW2.

I speak from personal experience on GW2 social platforms, asking about gear progression that might be a good thing to implement will be met with 'Move along, go play wow, this game is one of a kind, we don't want change...and so on'. I'm just speaking from my point of view what would be nice to have in the game to give it more meaning to invest time playing the game. I'm not here to attack players that have different view's.

So having some gear progression in an MMO is immediately considered a cheap WOW clone? God forbit you are playing a MMORPG, oh wait you are GW2 /lol...

Simple as that and still players on the GW2 forums will be offended because that means change...I just don't get it why some are so against it.

I get your point, but for example WOW has enough freedom to do stuff outside raids and dungeons for players that don't like endgame . But Gw2 has no endgame it is all casual 24/7 crafting resources farm converting to gold and gems. I mean I play GW2 and all events and everything I do I get gear that is sold on the market as the crafting items because I have no use for them, the gear is worth nothing to keep because no gear progression no beter gear. It just feels the same as when the game went live years ago. That is the issue with GW2. Why I play it? Just because of the combat that's it, playing this game for rewards is just bad even tho it is a MMO, playing the game to waist some time on PVP = Good choice. I just hoped PVE would change some day for the beter but I don't see it happening and my opinion does not matter as your opinion or everybody's else because Anet has build the game a certain way. It is just frustrating to see why Anet is not changing direction to lift this game up out of this cycle that they are stuck in for a decay. Atm I hope Ashes of Creation could give us a GW2 living world with real end game and a real reward system and I will be happy playing that game.

Considering the the amount that have legendary gear is a small percentage compared to the rest of the population. Also they could just buff the legendary gear stats for those that already have that gear because those players invested a lot time to get it, what should be fair enough. And on the other hand new players and the the rest can enjoy having a gear-progression finally and eventually working towards those legendary's. SO lets say a new expansion drops with beter gear they could even make stat/sigil's with beter stats to upgrade the current gear legendary's or the gear below, I mean a lot of options could work. But likely this will never happen and the game will just fade away at some point if nothing changes, changes for the beter to attract new players and keep most of the current players.

I also think not having a gear progression is a BIG fail on Arenanet part to make meaningful PVE content, that concept that is in place now makes it very hard for them to make most players even want to try out the new dungeons or raids. And they can definitely see that in the intern analysts reports, so they don't bother pushing out new dungeons and raids each few months because it is a waist of time for them. Also mentioning gear progression on the GW2 forums or social platforms is triggering those handful players that are very vocal on those platforms, they don't like gear progression because they like to play with the same gear like they did forever and they make it very clear every time that most GW2 players think like them what I think is totally nonsense. It is just a shame because GW2 has a lot potential....