Naqam a.6521 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) Well if people can be carried in Raids in order to get 150 LI + achievements for 12.000 gold , i don't believe that selling the OW mats is exactly pay to win in my book . If there's a demand , there will be a market Edited September 25, 2023 by Naqam a.6521 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kharmin.7683 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 They're not asking to buy the mats. They want to buy the legendary outright. 3 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibit.6259 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Naqam a.6521 said: Well if people can be carried in Raids in order to get 150 LI + achievements for 12.000 gold , i don't believe that selling the OW mats is exactly pay to win in my book . If there's a demand , there will be a market Oh yeah those with the gd/money to buy gd will jump on that, but OP's reasoning is to make it more accessible to "casuals" with little time to grind. How many of these casuals are gonna be able to obtain the 12000 or so gd to buy the Armour or Mats for the armor off of tp? Edited September 25, 2023 by Dibit.6259 typos 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naqam a.6521 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, kharmin.7683 said: They're not asking to buy the mats. They want to buy the legendary outright. What is the gold cap of the Action House ? 'More than 12.000 than the boosting sellers are offering , or caped at 9.999 ? Edited September 25, 2023 by Naqam a.6521 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passerbye.6291 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Naqam a.6521 said: Well if people can be carried in Raids in order to get 150 LI + achievements for 12.000 gold , i don't believe that selling the OW mats is exactly pay to win in my book . If there's a demand , there will be a market Well, there is a big difference, the difference being, the moment you make the armor set outright purchaseable, and you'll need to make it expensive to not walk all over the people who did weeks of timegated endgame content to craft raid armor, people will instantly start crying about how expensive and "inaccessible" it is, words like toxic and gatekeeping will be thrown in for good measure, someone will definitely mention how they have fathered 8 children and that they only play 14 minutes a week. How do I know this? Because this has been happening repeatedly, and consistently about anything that requires time and/or effort in this game. We've had overly exaggerated posts about people somehow being unable to get skyscale over 2 years despite honestly trying (Press X to doubt) People saying 7k dps is too high for end of dragons meta People complaining about griffon being too expensive. People saying they shouldn't need to do KO normal mode for turtle And add to that the most recent one, "Open world legendary set is too grindy!". The best part is, whenever you call them out on their BS, they will always deny it, only to make posts about exactly what you called them out on at a later date. First it is, oh casuals can't access this or that (meanwhile they very well can, just takes longer, there is literally no content in the game that you are forced to do and is impossible to do if you're a casual player, proven repeatedly by people doing raids with auto attacks only or on 10 healers), then it becomes, it is still too hard, make it even easier. Finally, it comes down to asking outright hand outs. If you are unable to do some content or farm for a specific thing you want because you are too lazy to put in the effort required, then you don't get to have it, it is simple as that, either rise up to the task, or reconcile with the fact that you haven't earned it. Also, for the love of skritt, can we stop using casual players to mean entitled people who refuse to do anything? Because I know a lot of fairly casual players with really low damage, and they are far from this helpless casuals you people portray Edited September 25, 2023 by Passerbye.6291 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibit.6259 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Naqam a.6521 said: What is the gold cap of the Action House ? 'More than 12.000 than the boosting sellers are offering , or caped at 9.999 ? 9,999gd per item, so in theory each of the 6 armour pieces can be sold at this price, making it a total of 59,994gd for full set. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naqam a.6521 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Passerbye.6291 said: Well, there is a big difference, the difference being, the moment you make the armor set outright purchaseable, and you'll need to make it expensive to not walk all over people doing weeks of timegated endgame content to craft raid armor, people will instantly start crying about how expensive and "inaccessible" it is, words like toxic and gatekeeping will be thrown in for good measure, someone will definitely mention how they have fathered 8 children and that they only play 14 minutes a week. Well we have to evaluate for the looks . The timegated of the raid set will be there , and will offer a better look with moving parts as a reward Edited September 25, 2023 by Naqam a.6521 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naqam a.6521 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Dibit.6259 said: 9,999gd per item, so in theory each of the 6 armour pieces can be sold at this price, making it a total of 59,994gd for full set. The price will start dropping after 1 year , if more ow people join the farm . Just like any other ow meta Edited September 25, 2023 by Naqam a.6521 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibit.6259 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Just now, Naqam a.6521 said: The start will start dropping after 1 year , if more ow people join the farm Depends on supply and demand, most likely demand will out weigh supply so gd price could still be incredibly inflated 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenzil.5983 Posted September 25, 2023 Author Share Posted September 25, 2023 12 minutes ago, kharmin.7683 said: That's because it's not really about people having limited time. If these were sellable on the TP, then players could simply swipe their cards for gold and buy them. That's what this is really all about. Instant gratification for shiny items, nothing more. To put things in to perspective: people that have enough time can „swipe“ their time in order get the armor and save real world money on top of that while getting rewarded with access to QoL improvements in the game at the same time. its something thats only favorable for grinders that have no issues with time investments. making it clear that this is not equaly accessible to casuals that dont have time but would give up on gold or real world money in order to get that same level of QoL. they can already do it when it comes to Legendary weapons but now all of a sudden shouldn’t when it comes to armor? 1 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, kenzil.5983 said: but making it tradable is as far as i can tell the superior way of accessibility to casuals since it also creates an eco system favoring each anet seller and grinder that gen 3 Aurene legendarys had proven to work in this game already on top of it. The superior way of accessibility is what you already said in this thread long ago: Getting easly accessible ascended gear instead of legendaries, if someone doesn't want to play more of the game to get those. 27 minutes ago, kenzil.5983 said: making it clear that this is not equaly accessible to casuals that dont have time but would give up on gold or real world money in order to get that same level of QoL. Buy motivations from tp and do weekly rifts. That's your easy solution for this ""problem"". If you don't have time to play a game, don't play a game I guess. 🙄 Edited September 25, 2023 by Sobx.1758 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 24 minutes ago, Naqam a.6521 said: if more ow people join the farm . Just like any other ow meta You can just "join the farm" now and get it yourself. 🤷♂️ 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biziut.3594 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 No. ANet put this armor into new expansion for players to PLAY new expansion. Whats the point of SotO if it will be dead without any goal on it's maps. You want the shiny, do what is required to get it. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forum Moderator.3419 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Hi Everyone, I'm locking this thread as it's run its course. Regards. 2 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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