mowiegan.4589 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Hey, I've been playing with the Mirage for a bit now, really enjoy it for casual open world and the little bit of PVP that I do, however I am very far from properly geared. Before PoF, I mostly played a Power Chrono, which means my gear gives me absolutely no condi damage. The question that I have now is what gear to go for; I am trying to decide between Viper, Trailblazer and Grieving, but I am not sure which one to pick/what combination to choose. I play with axe/pistol and scepter/focus (might change that to torch though), any suggestions would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esplen.3940 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 PvE: Viper'sPvP: Doesn't matter you use pvp trinket statWvW: TrailblazerYou don't have enough crit chance to take advantage of grieving. Ideally you'd want a Precision/CondiDamage + Expertise setup (either P+CD as primary on a quad stat or one of them as primary on a tri stat). Those sets don't exist atm, though.Although in PoF maps you will be a bit squishy so some trailblazers won't be bad, although since you are condi you will get right back up if you've applied proper condi output. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowiegan.4589 Posted September 23, 2017 Author Share Posted September 23, 2017 Thanks for that! Do you reckon just putting in Trailblazer Leggings+Boots would be fine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyninja.2954 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Trailblazer will perform fine in open world pve, for didcated instanced content it will not work due to:toughness making you a tankless damage stats reducing your effectivenessFor PoF pve full trainblazer is fine but you can also decide to splash some in and run rest vipers. Wvw as mentioned should be traiblazer mostly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeL.8260 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 I think Viper is still the best choice for open world condi dmg builds, not sure though how a hybrid(Grieving) Mirage would fare, so far I think only Weavers and Reapers benefit enough to go for Grieving stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esplen.3940 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 @MikeL.8260 said:I think Viper is still the best choice for open world condi dmg builds, not sure though how a hybrid(Grieving) Mirage would fare, so far I think only Weavers and Reapers benefit enough to go for Grieving stats.You don't have enough crit chance to utilize the ferocity, unless you have raid buffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaboBabo.3581 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 In Open world i agree with Esplen and the others that viper + a mix of defensive stats will work best. However in WvW for example, if u want to build aggressive , grieving should outperform Viper , due to condi cleanses, same with PvP, if we ever get grieving there.(we dont need condi duration in Pvp and WvW and grieving simply changes condi duration to ferocity - > no power/condi dmg loss) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esplen.3940 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 @FaboBabo.3581 said:In Open world i agree with Esplen and the others that viper + a mix of defensive stats will work best. However in WvW for example, if u want to build aggressive , grieving should outperform Viper , due to condi cleanses, same with PvP, if we ever get grieving there.(we dont need condi duration in Pvp and WvW and grieving simply changes condi duration to ferocity - > no power/condi dmg loss)Nah, if you want high burst, you'd be using Sinister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryouzanpaku.1273 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Mix of viper and sinister is probably best: ok-ish condi duration and crit chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyninja.2954 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 To sum up what people have been saying:Viper - our baseline "go-to" stat for damage. Best in slot until condition duration caps are hit for pve. Good damage in wvw but squishy and vulnerable to condi cleanse.Sinister - the hybrid and splash in choice next to viper in pve. Better burst in wvw and less penalised by condi cleanse. Trailblazer - the jack-of-all non instanced content choice. Far less damage than viper or sinister. Performs well in open world pve and the choice pick for wvw unless you are running a super bursty small scale roaming or 1v1 build.Grieving - the new possible 4-stat replacement for sinister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pachimari.2510 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 On the same topic, what skill build should a condi mirage have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hot Boy.7138 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 what's best rune and sigils to use for PvE condi axe raiding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bart.3687 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 @Pachimari.2510 said:On the same topic, what skill build should a condi mirage have?If you mean utilities, you probably want to run Signet of Midnight and Signet of Domination (for condi duration and condi damage passive effects). The heal, last utility and elite are up to your liking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weerus.3701 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 @Cyninja.2954 said:To sum up what people have been saying:Viper - our baseline "go-to" stat for damage. Best in slot until condition duration caps are hit for pve. Good damage in wvw but squishy and vulnerable to condi cleanse.Sinister - the hybrid and splash in choice next to viper in pve. Better burst in wvw and less penalised by condi cleanse. Trailblazer - the jack-of-all non instanced content choice. Far less damage than viper or sinister. Performs well in open world pve and the choice pick for wvw unless you are running a super bursty small scale roaming or 1v1 build.Grieving - the new possible 4-stat replacement for sinister. How does one acquire grieving stats set? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyninja.2954 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 @Weerus.3701 said:@Cyninja.2954 said:To sum up what people have been saying:Viper - our baseline "go-to" stat for damage. Best in slot until condition duration caps are hit for pve. Good damage in wvw but squishy and vulnerable to condi cleanse.Sinister - the hybrid and splash in choice next to viper in pve. Better burst in wvw and less penalised by condi cleanse. Trailblazer - the jack-of-all non instanced content choice. Far less damage than viper or sinister. Performs well in open world pve and the choice pick for wvw unless you are running a super bursty small scale roaming or 1v1 build.Grieving - the new possible 4-stat replacement for sinister. How does one acquire grieving stats set?Not sure where in the story or new maps yet, but legendary and raid ascended items now have the stat available.Some raid items like trinkets and some weapons were reset with the PoF launch so you can reselect the stats on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pachimari.2510 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 @bart.3687 said:@Pachimari.2510 said:On the same topic, what skill build should a condi mirage have?If you mean utilities, you probably want to run Signet of Midnight and Signet of Domination (for condi duration and condi damage passive effects). The heal, last utility and elite are up to your liking.Yes, that's right! Thank you! What weapon sets should I be using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bart.3687 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 @Pachimari.2510 said:Yes, that's right! Thank you! What weapon sets should I be using?I'm mostly playing open world and at the moment I'm using axe/focus (on non-shatter build) and it does pretty well imo. I used to run scepter, but scepter, while being good vs single target, is pretty bad against groups of mobs (it's also much less entertaining compared to axe, but that's just an opinion).Talking about offhands:1) Traited pistol is the best against bosses (maintaining pistol phantasms).2) Focus is nice against groups of mobs as you can pull them and cleave/shatter.3) Torch gives you aoe burning and its phantasm applies burning too, so I think it's solid as well.4) Offhand Sword isn't a good option for condi builds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaboBabo.3581 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 @Esplen.3940 said:@FaboBabo.3581 said:In Open world i agree with Esplen and the others that viper + a mix of defensive stats will work best. However in WvW for example, if u want to build aggressive , grieving should outperform Viper , due to condi cleanses, same with PvP, if we ever get grieving there.(we dont need condi duration in Pvp and WvW and grieving simply changes condi duration to ferocity - > no power/condi dmg loss)Nah, if you want high burst, you'd be using Sinister.Not in Wvw - Resistance , clear all condis ....ppl can actually react within 1 second and proc resistance etc, and ur burst is gone. Therefore i advice grieving partwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenith.7301 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 If people are cleansing your condi burst in wvw, then grieving is not going to do anything either considering it's a half assed verisoon of sinister and zerker stats. Most condi weapons and attacks have low base power damage, so it isn't going to dent anyone in wvw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hevoskuuri.3891 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 If you want a budget gear to try things out, exotic Dire set from the TP will do just fine. No sense in crafting an ascended set before you even know if you like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaboBabo.3581 Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 @Zenith.7301 said:If people are cleansing your condi burst in wvw, then grieving is not going to do anything either considering it's a half assed verisoon of sinister and zerker stats. Most condi weapons and attacks have low base power damage, so it isn't going to dent anyone in wvw.@Zenith.7301 said:If people are cleansing your condi burst in wvw, then grieving is not going to do anything either considering it's a half assed verisoon of sinister and zerker stats. Most condi weapons and attacks have low base power damage, so it isn't going to dent anyone in wvw.Grieving has more power as sinister + ferocity . since the condi dmg is enough anyway, u simply add dmg vs cleanse and resistance builds. Mesmer has f1 with decent scaling and Scepter 3 hits hard too (when hitting). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowiegan.4589 Posted September 26, 2017 Author Share Posted September 26, 2017 @Hevoskuuri.3891 said:If you want a budget gear to try things out, exotic Dire set from the TP will do just fine. No sense in crafting an ascended set before you even know if you like it or not.I know I want to go for it, I am already enjoying it so much with inadequate gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esplen.3940 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 I don't recommend Grieving at all. I wrote a fairly large description as to why it's bad for bursting, but if you look at damage breakdowns of a Condi Mesmer (and Mirage), the power damage is always very, very minimal. Ideally, the stat combination you want to go for is:Condi Damage, Precision, Expertise.If you have to go for a quad-stat, pick two of them and then add either Power or Ferocity as your last stat.Of course, none of those sets exist, so Sinister is the best if you want to forego Expertise and Viper's is the best if you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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