A tiny Idea for Raids

Dear Arena.NET,

1. Please make entry to each raid boss, available from the Aerodrome/Raids ports
2. Please mark bosses named entry with difficulty level (stars, hearts, colors, you pick)Thank you for your attention

@Daniel.5428 said:

1. There are already enough portals in Aerodrome. I see no problem in joining raid then using rift to go to boss.
2. Each boss has it's own difficulty and mechanics. It is useless to try to mark them different.

1. Not enough, each boss needs own button on portal, simple. I ask cus I don't get why raid bosses in this particular game go from Medi-Easy-Hard
2. Where can a new player that enters aerodrome see difficulty level of bosses?It won't kill anyone, right? To have a Boss nameplate-2stars would it? Or another dozen of buttons will hurt someone feelings?

@"phs.6089" said:

2. Where can a new player that enters aerodrome see difficulty level of bosses?

You can introduce a readable stone-plate on a wall (like the one with leaderboard in pvp) where can players who pay F can see aeach wing with all the bosses and a number of stars from 1 to 5. The thing is that difficulty always change. Each boss was hard when it first came out and then became very easy. The PoF elite spec made bosses from W1-W4 to look like a joke.

@Daniel.5428 said:

@"phs.6089" said:

2. Where can a new player that enters aerodrome see difficulty level of bosses?

Won't you say that bandits are easier then sloth? In any expac? What about Cairn and MO?It's all I'm asking make the raid s bit friendly. Let new comers port to easy bosses and give them a hint which one is easy, which is medium etc

Won't you say that bandits are easier then sloth? In any expac? What about Cairn and MO?It's all I'm asking make the raid s bit friendly. Let new comers port to easy bosses and give them a hint which one is easy, which is medium etc

By porting do you mean skipping bosses? Because it is not ok for someone to go bandits without killing sloth.

@Daniel.5428 said:

Won't you say that bandits are easier then sloth? In any expac? What about Cairn and MO?It's all I'm asking make the raid s bit friendly. Let new comers port to easy bosses and give them a hint which one is easy, which is medium etc

Why not, omg? That is what I'm doing for my guildies. I buy god dem entries to easy bosses. I didn't note anyone complaining that we skipped the sloth in raid introduction runs. Gimme a one good reason, why players cant go do easy bosses if they want?

Anyone that wanna do sloth can enter the sloth and keep going to the end.

Most easy bosses are already directly accessible (Escort, Cairn, MO, Samarog, Wing 6 B1). The main outliers are trio (W2 B2) and events in Wing 5 (B2+3) which are gated behind a more challenging 1st wing boss.

Many people already only do the easy bosses per wing and skip the rest (people leaving on Deimos in Wing 4, or Sabetha and Xera in Wing 1 and 3 respectively or Dhuum in Wing 5). No reason to allow even more easy boss farming, it's already available enough. Worst case buy access to a boss, there is enough people who are willing to open raids for free or a small fee of 1-5 gold.

If new players are interested in knowing which bosses are easy (something only of interest when starting to raid) they can check with guides which they should be reading up on anyway BEFORE entering raids. Again a feature which is very niche and only necessary for the most lazy players.

Sorry but I don't see how streamlining easy content so people can reduce their required performance even more is of any use (and it already is possible with a tiny amount of effort by asking in the LFG for opener).

EDIT: correction on Wing 6 B1 since I miss typed Wing 5 B1 initially, obviously was meant as Wing 6 from context of the post.

I wasn't talking about any performance and such. I'm juts asking to give access to easy bosses and give them difficulty mark. Like any other game out there that is just doesn't trough content into game and say 'go figure it out nab'.

I want to skip that middleman from LFG, cus the times, one might wanna go have their fun, there might not be an opener online, simple as that. Is it too much to ask?

@phs.6089 said:I wasn't talking about any performance and such. I'm juts asking to give access to easy bosses and give them difficulty mark. Like any other game out there that is just doesn't trough content into game and say 'go figure it out nab'.

I want to skip that middleman from LFG, cus the times, one might wanna go have their fun, there might not be an opener online, simple as that. Is it too much to ask?

To what point? Skipping bosses is already easy enough and most easy bosses are at the start of raid wings. This counts double with the new LI added to specific events throughout the old Wings.

This change (which is not needed, neither a difficulty sign nor direct access) would allow people even easier access to just skip all bosses they dislike. There is already enough 300+ LI turds running around, no reason to make this even easier or encourage this behavior.

As mentioned, any person who spends 20 minutes reading up on raids (or asking politely in the aerodrome) will know where to start and which bosses are considered easy. Again, wasted developer resources to cater to people who should probably not be raiding in the first place. If you can't be bothered to get a general overview of how raid wings are setup, you should definitely not be raiding.

@Cyninja.2954 said:

@phs.6089 said:I wasn't talking about any performance and such. I'm juts asking to give access to easy bosses and give them difficulty mark. Like any other game out there that is just doesn't trough content into game and say 'go figure it out nab'.

I want to skip that middleman from LFG, cus the times, one might wanna go have their fun, there might not be an opener online, simple as that. Is it too much to ask?

It is easy, so why are you against it? There is no wasted resources to add a button to entrance whatsoever. There are people running around in leg raid armor cus they simply bought clearance. What makes you say no? I'm sorry if i touched you high raiders feeling but some of us treat this as a game, meaning not a job, meaning fun. For 20-30 minutes asking in aerodrome I would do the bandits and call it a day with my boys and gals. Why you are against us saving bit time? Save and go do something else, not all of us have time to spend 5-6 hours in game.

I would also like the ability to reopen already cleared bosses.

@phs.6089 said:

@Cyninja.2954 said:

@phs.6089 said:I wasn't talking about any performance and such. I'm juts asking to give access to easy bosses and give them difficulty mark. Like any other game out there that is just doesn't trough content into game and say 'go figure it out nab'.

I want to skip that middleman from LFG, cus the times, one might wanna go have their fun, there might not be an opener online, simple as that. Is it too much to ask?

Something being easy if not the same as encouraging content skipping behavior.

This is not LFR, there is no reason to submit to the lowest common denominator. The fact that it is already easy and possible is enough. If people can't even be bothered to use this method (or as you said for overview on which bosses are easy), they should not be raiding in the first place.

This has nothing to do with me being a mighty raider and against the small man (which by the way thank you for the personal attack), this is common sense that players will abuse this to get as much reward with as little effort as possible while in the process lowering the skill level even further.

Sorry that I do not agree that people should have it even easier to brain afk through raid content.

@Cyninja.2954 said:

@phs.6089 said:

@Cyninja.2954 said:

@phs.6089 said:I wasn't talking about any performance and such. I'm juts asking to give access to easy bosses and give them difficulty mark. Like any other game out there that is just doesn't trough content into game and say 'go figure it out nab'.

I want to skip that middleman from LFG, cus the times, one might wanna go have their fun, there might not be an opener online, simple as that. Is it too much to ask?

You counter yourself. Being easy-means there is offer, means there is demand and people already doing it, people have habit. And who do you think you are to tell people how to play THEIR game? What gives you rights to tell what people suppose to do and what not in a video-game?

God forbid to play it they way you want!

@phs.6089 said:

@Cyninja.2954 said:

@phs.6089 said:

@Cyninja.2954 said:

@phs.6089 said:I wasn't talking about any performance and such. I'm juts asking to give access to easy bosses and give them difficulty mark. Like any other game out there that is just doesn't trough content into game and say 'go figure it out nab'.

I want to skip that middleman from LFG, cus the times, one might wanna go have their fun, there might not be an opener online, simple as that. Is it too much to ask?

I'm the person who disagrees with your suggestions, on a free and open forum for this game. I should be able to disagree without getting attacked personally or denied my opinion.

What about you?

@Cyninja.2954 said:I'm the person who disagrees with your suggestions, on a free and open forum for this game. I should be able to disagree without getting attacked personally or denied my opinion.

What about you?

Just ignore him, you wont get far with reason here.

@"phs.6089" said:

2. Please mark bosses named entry with difficulty level (stars, hearts, colors, you pick)

Those that enter the Raids after reading about the bosses they are going to fight (which should be obvious for everyone) would already know how difficult a boss is. What would marking them really accomplish? Ask 2 players, you will get 3 different difficulty lists.

@Cyninja.2954 said:

@phs.6089 said:

@Cyninja.2954 said:

@phs.6089 said:

@Cyninja.2954 said:

@phs.6089 said:I wasn't talking about any performance and such. I'm juts asking to give access to easy bosses and give them difficulty mark. Like any other game out there that is just doesn't trough content into game and say 'go figure it out nab'.

I want to skip that middleman from LFG, cus the times, one might wanna go have their fun, there might not be an opener online, simple as that. Is it too much to ask?

Then be a person and stop pretending you are a boss of all and it's up to you to tell how people suppose to play a game.

Things I'm talking about ALREADY exist and you know that, all I ask it to give me option to exclude middleman and save me some precious time.All you comments come to 'noble talk' and 'look at me Imma raider' and now Imma tell you all how you suppose to play

@maddoctor.2738 said:

@phs.6089 said:

2. Please mark bosses named entry with difficulty level (stars, hearts, colors, you pick)

I beg to differ

@phs.6089 said:

@Cyninja.2954 said:

@phs.6089 said:

@Cyninja.2954 said:

@phs.6089 said:

@Cyninja.2954 said:

@phs.6089 said:I wasn't talking about any performance and such. I'm juts asking to give access to easy bosses and give them difficulty mark. Like any other game out there that is just doesn't trough content into game and say 'go figure it out nab'.

I want to skip that middleman from LFG, cus the times, one might wanna go have their fun, there might not be an opener online, simple as that. Is it too much to ask?

I gave you reasonable concerns I had with your suggestions. You are free to accept them, engage them or ignore them. Stating a concern that people will skip content for easiest access to rewards is not new concept and often gets designed around from a developer standpoint already. Feel free to disagree but then provide reasonable arguments. Again, offering easy access to skip content is not something I would encourage. The fact that it is already possible does not mean it has to be further encouraged and simplified.

I'm not telling people how to play, I am giving feedback on suggestions you made to which I disagree with. If you can't tell the difference I am sorry.

As for the second point, I stand by what I said when I meant I personally believe that people should invest a minimum amount of time into acquiring information about raids and thus giving bosses arbitrary difficulty values is not needed. As others have mentioned, difficulty is also subjective so coming up with appropriate notation alone would be divisive.

EDIT: you edited your post adding a personal attack, once again. Going to add it into my response via edit but not going to engage that, instead going to leave it so people can read how you argue

I must agree with Cyninja : difficulty is subjective. Ask a few players to list all bosses by order of difficulty and you'll get a few different lists. Because of the dynamic combat system and the nature of mechanics, which are more than just numbers, what I am comfortable with can be difficult for someone else and what I struggle with can be easy for that same person. Therefore, it would be inherently impossible to assign a difficulty rating and Anet arbitrarily assigning a rating would be ultimately detrimental to the game mode.

I think the less you have to go outside of the game to learn the game the better. Is it possible for them to add something like this? Sure. Will it happen? Hard to say.

From the get go, I think the raid wings should been more systematic, much like wing 4, 2 easy bosses, 1 medium boss and 1 hard boss.

If this was the case from the get go, you wouldn’t need to skip anything as people would just have to farm the first couple of bosses of each wing, very similar to how WoW does their raid design.

@Tyson.5160 said:I think the less you have to go outside of the game to learn the game the better. Is it possible for them to add something like this? Sure. Will it happen? Hard to say.

From the get go, I think the raid wings should been more systematic, much like wing 4, 2 easy bosses, 1 medium boss and 1 hard boss.

If this was the case from the get go, you wouldn’t need to skip anything as people would just have to farm the first couple of bosses of each wing, very similar to how WoW does their raid design.

Exactly my point. But we have a mess for some reason.

@phs.6089 said:

@Tyson.5160 said:I think the less you have to go outside of the game to learn the game the better. Is it possible for them to add something like this? Sure. Will it happen? Hard to say.

From the get go, I think the raid wings should been more systematic, much like wing 4, 2 easy bosses, 1 medium boss and 1 hard boss.

If this was the case from the get go, you wouldn’t need to skip anything as people would just have to farm the first couple of bosses of each wing, very similar to how WoW does their raid design.

You are correct in the some wings (i.e wing 2 and wing 5) have a boss order where the LI/LD acquisition is not in the order of easiest to hardest. However, I disagree that this a problem that needs retroactive fixing. Wing 6 doesn't have this problem, and if wing 7, 8, 9 don't either then this isn't an issue. Basically I think it is something that exists, but doesn't need a dedicated in game solution to fix the older content. Rather just not additional new content that adds to the problem.