Petition to giving Non-Herald Rev grp Fury

Pretty much what the title says.Personally, I feel like heal-renegade is getting held back by the utter lack of grp fury it can (not) provide.

If you look at druid for instance, it gives fury, 25 might, prot and spirits.Renegade basically trades the fury for alacrity ....which is nice and all, but simply isn't the whole bundle.

A simple change, like making the "Fierce Infusion" invocation-trait 5 man instead of only-to-self would make healing renegade a lot more appealing.

The problem is that ArenaNet seems to have a specific vision for what boons each class should put out.

Giving Fury to allies is rarely seen outside of Warrior. In fact, most classes can't do it at all without taking specific traits (Ele, Thief, etc.), and others like Guardian and Mesmer have to use very specific weapons or skills which aren't available on most meta builds. Ranger (especially the subclasses) is the only exception that, like Warrior, provides plenty of group Fury as a baseline.

Revenant (Ventari & Renegade) already get slotted into nearly all compositions due to the unique boon Alacrity, which is their version of the same. Because of this such a change would effectively bring Fury into every group without the need for any other source of it, since they're already slotting the Revenant anyway, and that's where the risk lies in pushing other classes further out than they already are.

Warrior will always be taken for its banners and Warhorn's hard DPS buff, but Ranger's already been dead for a while, even with "all that".

@"Hannelore.8153" said:The problem is that ArenaNet seems to have a specific vision for what boons each class should put out.

Giving Fury to allies is rarely seen outside of Warrior. In fact, most classes can't do it at all without taking specific traits (Ele, Thief, etc.), and others like Guardian and Mesmer have to use very specific weapons or skills which aren't available on most meta builds. Ranger (especially the subclasses) is the only exception that, like Warrior, provides plenty of group Fury as a baseline.

Revenant (Ventari & Renegade) already get slotted into nearly all compositions due to the unique boon Alacrity, which is their version of the same. Because of this such a change would effectively bring Fury into every group without the need for any other source of it, since they're already slotting the Revenant anyway, and that's where the risk lies in pushing other classes further out than they already are.

Warrior will always be taken for its banners and Warhorn's hard DPS buff, but Ranger's already been dead for a while, even with "all that".

I understand what you are trying to say, but the "effectiveness" of any support class is determined by how much they can bring to the table.Druid and Heal Firebrand are very good examples of this.Druid gives: 25 Might, Fury, perma prot, spirits and spotter (which is insanely valuable for some classes, since they have trouble reaching critcap without it)Firebrand gives, 25 Might, Fury, good prot-uptime, quickness and can have some specific grp-dps buffs as well (like bane signet or burnshare).

When we look at something like Tempest on the other hand, It also brings the boon-baseline of 25 Might, fury and some good prot, but lacks in the grp-dps buffs (except the occasional air overload). And tempest already gets crowded out by the aforementioned 2 specs. Even though it checks a quite lot of the "support essentials".

And I feel like Renegade sits in a similar boat.

If the goal is to make all the support specs equally viable, we have to establish a "baseline". Like a general set of things a support needs to bring to the table; par pure healing.And 25 might, fury and at least some prot seems to be a reasonable compromise....at least from my PoV. Everything extra (like Quickness or Alacrity or grp dps buffs) are simply the cherry on top that gives each class a unique niche. But if that spec can't provide the "essentials", it simply cant compete.

In which game mode, PvE?The problem is without the fury being generated by facets being unique to herald, you're looking at might, easy perma-swiftness, and some protection/superspeed/higher movement speed & damage reduction with upkeep/+10% health. All these things are valuable in competitive but not so much in PvE.Renegade already has personal fury generation from the Invocation traitline as well as from Endless Enmity when hitting targets <50%.

It sounds to me from your post that firebrand needs a hit to fury instead as it's an offensive boon. Not sure why people keep suggesting to powercreep everything.

In general: it's firebrand for quickness or stability, renegade for alacrity+soulcleave summit if PvE, warrior for banners (not necessarily fury) if it's PvE or spellbreaker in competitive for boon rip, soulbeast for spirit(s)/stanceshare if PvE. Then you have druid (which isn't as favored due to the nerf to glyph of empowerment), holosmith,weaver, daredevil, tempest, reaper, scrapper (usually heals or support). I think tempest is in worse shape than renegade because it is usually used for raw heals if it's not running damage. People have also become spoiled by the range on renegade alacrity so running chrono is less appealing.

If you mean competitive , then it's a bad idea. I would even say herald facet durations and intervals should be increased such that stripping them is more meaningful and also to make boon duration mean something on heralds.

If only there was an appropriately named skill we could lift out of mediocrity by adding this effect.

You do not buff S tier specializations in areas that made them S tier in the first place.You nerf those or buff aspects that are underperfoming.

Renegade is already S tier in PvE as offensive support and/or dps, with rock solid place in meta.Also giving Renegade another thing to share when his dps is already top of the charts would be breaking the balance.Holes like these are needed so that others can pitch in and provide something to the group while not being a renagade/firebrand.

Let that non meta, non top damage Herald have it's day and pitch in with fury (and protection) for whole squad. If Renegade will do it all, what will be left for others?